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By the time you get Essence Reaver, you really don't care about mana anymore.

5G8Nri0B54··5 votes·1,927 views

Atleast if you're playing your champion right. This is especially the case for champions who would want to buy it.

The more they level up the less mana is an issue unless you're Anivia or Swain.

Therefore, what purpose does Essence Reaver really serve? I can't think of any champion who'd care about the mana regenerating passive by the time they get the gold to buy it.

The only champion who really would worry about their mana going down is Swain and Anivia, two AP champions.

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Sauce Captain5 votes

Ashe would definitely not mind this item for extended skirmishes/fights. Also you could use this in conjunction with the manamune to run a burst and charge setup.

5G8Nri0B541 votes

Ashe of all champions definitely wouldn't need the mana leech by the time you can afford the item.

Remember, this is not an early game item. It takes a heft amount of gold, meaning by the time you get it, you'd have levelled up quite a bit too.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

With essence reaver, ashe will be able to keep her q always toggled on. No matter her level, doing that will run her oom very quickly, otherwise.

ShadowNinetails1 votes

Even with Essence Reaver, she wouldn't want to keep Frost Shot on all the time.

Hyrum Graff3 votes

->returns 2-8% of damage dealt as mana
-> frost shot costs 8 mana per attack
-> need to deal 400-100 damage per auto

That is to say, when Ashe is low mana, and only needs to deal ~200 damage per auto, she can keep q on indefinitely without running oom.

ShadowNinetails1 votes

But just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD, is what I'm getting at. If she's low on mana and getting back as much mana as she's spending on Frost Shot, then she won't have enough mana to ECA that Rengar that just showed up behind her. If leaving Frost Shot on all the time was such a huge advantage, you'd see a lot more Ashe's running item 3004 .

5G8Nri0B541 votes

You don't want, or even need to keep her Q toggled on all the time anyways. A few Q's per AA is more than enough. Ashe did not fall out of favour because she has any mana issues.

12tales5 votes

Kog'Maw goes OOM pretty quickly if he's spamming his ult.

5G8Nri0B542 votes

This is actually an intelligent point, and I can see a potential for Kog, never thought of that.

On the other hand, what will you be missing out on if you buy this for Kog? Considering his long range, he also has great synergy with Bloodthirster too as he'd be able to activate that sweet sweet shield.

12tales3 votes

Kog usually goes for BotRK for the synergy with his W and the much needed peel (with the buff to the passive, his AAs are gonna be doing 14% Max health apiece, which is honestly disgusting). I doubt that rushing Essence Reaver would be worth the loss of the blade - but, with that said, Kog isn't particularly mana hungry until he gets his ultimate, so it might be a viable second item. Trinity Force is really nice, but it might not be as nice as this.

Cerbearus4 votes

There are several AD casters that would benefit from it... "using him right" doesn't mean anything. To me this item is the difference between using mana conservatively so you don't run out, or using your abilities to their maximum effectiveness. Using it conservatively makes you lose out on potential damage or CC that you could have used just by buying the item or a item 3070 . The reason most casters do not want to buy a tear though is because of how long it takes to ramp up (it is pretty useless until you get item 3042 ).

5G8Nri0B542 votes

But here the difference between Tear and Essence Reaver.

The Tear is cheap, meaning you'll get it when you need it. Essence Reaver is expensive, meaning by the time you get it, you'll also have levelled up quite a bit too, to the point where mana is a non-issue unless you're Swain or Anivia.

Cerbearus2 votes

Just remember this is the first iteration of the item on the PBE. I'm guessing they will make it into a mid-tier item, lower cost and stats, and make it evolve into something better.

Dorkdav1 votes

Though with Reaver you get a Vamp Scepter on your first back instead of a tear. That might be beneficial to certain characters that would rather have some damage to keep trading early, then get the tear and know that they'll lose in a straight up fight.

5G8Nri0B541 votes

And with Essence Reaver, you're just gimping yourself because you could easily just forego it and buy a stronger AD item instead. It's Passive mana regeneration is a waste of gold because the narrow list of champions who can make use of it won't even need it by the time they get the gold for it. How hard is it to understand that?

Look, anyone who knows what they're doing will know just how useless the item is on in champions that'd want it.

The Red Warden2 votes

Will it help Maokai though?

Cerbearus3 votes

No amount of mana regen could help Maokai.

The Red Warden1 votes

True dat

Hyrum Graff1 votes

lol

JackYAqua2 votes

I think a procedure similar to the one of 'Maw of Malmortius' would be effective here.
(I'm saying this even though I dislike items that only build into one other item)
Something similar to ...
####item 1037 + 385 Gold = Arcane Blade (1260 Gold)

+35 Attack Damage
UNIQUE Passive - Essence Theft : You gain 2% of the damage dealt by basic attacks as Mana.

ShadowNinetails1 votes

I really like this approach because OP is right, as Lucian MonkeyKing Pantheon the first few levels are usually pretty rough because you're always wishing that you have 400g to spare when you go back for a item 1027 but by the time you can get 2650g, you're usually ok. My thought was to toss in a item 1004 charm or two or maybe even a item 3114 since it already gives 10% CDR as a middle ground, but an intermediate item with a slightly toned down passive would probably be a more elegant solution as it does feel weird to buy a component item that gives you constant regen only to make that regen conditional when you upgrade it (although item 1080 gives precedent to this).

Seth the Bum1 votes

I sometimes have quite a bit of mana trouble on Kayle. Now, I'm not saying this would be a must-have for Kayle, but it definitely looks worth giving it a try. Also, I haven't played Corki in quite a while, but I recall him using up tons of mana. I imagine some people who enjoy focusing on banana throwing might be interested in this item as well.

CookieMonstuh1 votes

Ashe can get it. I mean it allows her to have her Q on all the time :D

5G8Nri0B541 votes

She can do that WITHOUT Essence Reaver. Okay, no champion can spend their mana on a spell permanently. But for Ashe and her Q, she can use it more than enough time before returning to town either via death, injury, or to buy crap.

l Am D Devil1 votes

Nasus What about Nasus? I don't think anyone has mentioned him yet. I find even mid/late game I am restricted in using my abilities. However with essence reaver, I don't have to worry about using my q, I can just pester my enemies as much as I want. In fact late game using your q gives you bonus mana since the mana cost does not increase when u build your q stacks. So you can spam your abilities pestering the enemies as much as possible without a thought of your mana running out, also when your in mid game the cool-down reduction can help u build your q and there is no harm having more damage and lifesteal.

l Am D Devil1 votes

And last time i checked ardent censer was op with nidalee(85% attack speed when your heal is used and maxed). (Before she was changed the item may not be as strong with her).

5G8Nri0B541 votes

I barely see any Nasus at all, but the few I see only had mana problems pretty early-ish in the game.

By the time you buy this item, especially now when they changed it to a late game item, Nasus should REALLY not worry about mana. They have Triforce for that extra bit of mana anyways.

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