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Counterplay for Teemo Shrooms is nonexistent.

The Booty Shaman·1/19/2014, 10:46:41 PM·21 votes·1,469 views

Before anyone calls me out and says I'm a scrub, hear me out. Teemo is not a good champion in my opinion and i believe hes extremely easy to use. However, that isnt why i posted this thread. I recently played a game where i was insanely fed as swain and began snowballing my entire team. However, we couldnt LEAVE OUR BASE because teemo had 40% cdr, liandrys, and shrooms EVERYWHERE. No oracles to kill them, no pinks to protect us, we sat there in our base, which eventually was full of shrooms, waiting for our demise. I honestly see not one form of counterplay to that little yordle's overpowered shrooms.

If teemo is even equal to the weakest link in our 5 man team he has enough dot damage with his shrooms and liandrys to half health a mid or adc. I find it just disgusting how riot doesnt realize that the vision nerfs have buffed certain champions immensely.

Riot, in one of the older patch preview videos, defined a nerd-worthy champion or ability as one that has little to no counterplay. If that does not explain Teemo's Shrooms i dont know what does. I would like at least ONE person to give a logical explanation as to what can possibly be done against a teemo who shrooms every exit your base has.

Please bump so riot employees can see, although i already know that this thread will have nearly no impact on riot's decision-making and probably be ignored altogether like some other plea's that this community has cried.

64 Comments

Drunk Old Man1/20/2014, 3:57:43 AM10 votes

I say the easiest way to remedy Teemo is to limit the amount of shrooms he can have on the map at once to around, say, 5-10. And also, make them last 3-5 minutes instead of 10. That would make him much, much easier to deal with.

XxTSwiftxX1/26/2014, 12:13:17 AM8 votes

#What this whole thing is so far.

  • Teemo's Ult AP ratio is a little high overall.

  • Teemo's shrooms have a super long duration (10mins) and is wished to be put down to 5~7mins

  • The amount of shrooms around SR is frustrating and wished to be put down to 10~15

This is all the information gathered so far from what everyone says.

CaptainGhostRyde1/20/2014, 9:15:51 PM6 votes

I agree, teemo is not "OP" in the sense of hes not easy to kill or dealing to much damage, its the fact that with the new vision system it makes his ult to easy to layer an entire map with mini-nukes that kill in 2 hits on squishy champs. My thoughts are they need to do one of the following:

Reduce the duration on the map, 5 minutes max

Make a cap on the amount you can place on the map 20 max

I really think these are the only two options available (Minus tweaking the times or amount) to make them more fair. If they nerf its damage, it may make him a bit harder to use but the overall problem with having mine fields everywhere you go would still exist and the slow would still be a huge problem. The other problem with making them visible would make them to easy to counter/avoid because minus hiding them in the edges of bushes, it would effectively make that ult easily avoidable and make playing teemo worthless. Even though I hate teemo, I don't think riot should make a champ worthless to play to doing something that would just limit how many can be out at once would be the best solution in my eyes because doing something like they did to Evelynn is not the best way to handle the problem.

THExJACKAL1/19/2014, 11:50:22 PM5 votes

I concur in every way. Therefor, I will say that something should be done about it.

wamos1/20/2014, 3:31:13 PM4 votes

A Teemo That is not fed in anyway, farm or kills, can easily just rush a item 3151 that will completely take down an adc to half hp with that annoying slow,making and adc half to back if they hit two shrooms, and in danger of assasination if they hit one.

NHugo1/20/2014, 1:04:37 AM4 votes

Teemo is the cheesiest champ around. Not having an item like oracles elixir or the Sweeper in all maps is just giving that champ a huge advantage.

The7thKing1/20/2014, 3:21:24 AM3 votes

Teemo just needs to be removed entirely, hes too spammable, too OP and without oracles or sweeper, he just screws us up and we cant do NOTHING

Bowling900Series1/19/2014, 11:45:52 PM3 votes

I agree, I myself play Teemo and with my first time using him, I one hit the opposing team's mid laner (Zed) with my q. Now you unfortunately ran into a very observant player. Most summoners would not go to the same lengths to shroom up the map. I think that the amount of time that they are able to stay on the map should be lessened. I don't know exacly how long the time is now, but I do know that it is at least a minute, and that is just to long. A similar move like a Nidalee w does not nearly last for the same amount of time. This would help control the amount of shrooms on the map at a time, thus allowing for an easier time for opposing champions.

SixPips1/20/2014, 5:57:51 PM2 votes

I concur that Teemo is a toxic champion to the league. his win rate is very high (53% according to lolking atm) and he has a moderate pick rate (23% again at lolking) That being said, he is a squishy little guy and he can be dealt with by forcing teamfights. If you force fights he can't go off on his own to shroom the rest of the field. Also shielding champions are a solid counter; Karma's shield blocks his shroom damage effectively, as does Morgana's.

He's a pain, but at the same time he's popular. That pick rate is high enough to warrant Riot not just nerfing him into oblivion, and he's got more skins than I care to think about. I have a skin for him, most of you probably do too ;) His shrooms last so long because they are an ultimate, unlike nid traps which are a W skill. I'd say make them stealth for 3 minutes, and then the remaining duration of 7 minutes they are visible. This allows teemo to protect himself, and also allows him the full utility of a bush shroom.

GFX Gykes1/19/2014, 11:48:16 PM2 votes

In my opinion they should set a limit on his shrooms sorta like with wards. Idk maybe like 20 down at one time? that means they can be of use but they cant be down on every lane at every point? Idk if that's a bad idea or not but hey could be useful :)

P.S sorry for bad English XXD im more of a math guy :P

Scottishhound1/20/2014, 12:13:06 AM2 votes

Teemo shroom hard counter

Morgana upgrade "e" ability, walk through all of teemos shrooms and let them have no effect on who ever the "e" ability is on GG teemo

in more detail:

the spell is black sheild i think and it blocks an amount of Magic damage based on what level it is and ability power and makes the shielded target immunity to spell effects such as the poison and slow of teemo's shrooms. it last 5 secs or until the total magic damage is absorbed. so as long as your morgana is building AP this is increasing.

teemo's shrooms also deal magic damage wich is absorbed by the shield.

place this on a speedy character such as lee sin or YI and let them just run through shrooms unaffected until it runs out... if the morgana has any kind of cooldown reduc then by the time this runs out she can cast again.

very easy play to completely NULLIFY Teemo shrooms.... GG

alright have fun, im sure someone will tear this apart as a bad idea, but it works.

another option would also be to cast on tank and let them charge the enemy taking any shrooms for the rest of the team.

bzhen09151/20/2014, 1:56:51 AM2 votes

This is why Teemo is the demise of all players

Don't you notice that when people get pissed off on the forums, they mention Teemo?

And I guess ur whole team could be buying the upgraded sweeping lens, which grants 10 secs or something of invisible unit detection after use.

General4Choas1/19/2014, 11:03:18 PM1 votes

One of the best things I can think of to help for that Teemo problem it to make the cool down on the shrooms up, or make the max he can hold is two, but really I dont really know.

Noam Braumsky1/20/2014, 3:46:26 PM1 votes

Have you forgotten about the Lenses?

Cerbearus1/20/2014, 5:05:29 PM1 votes

It's his ultimate so no I don't think they will nerf it again. As for counterplay get the upgraded sweeper. It gives you a temporary oracle.

Bowling900Series1/22/2014, 9:37:28 PM1 votes

Reading through these comments, I can clearly see that you all have had negative previous experiences with Teemo. However, some of these ideas would make the fun of playing Teemo go away, he would become the most useless champ in the game. Teemo needs more then 10 shrooms on the map at some points because it is basically impossible, on a map that large, to run into them if you limit them to that few. Also, while I agree 10 minutes is to long of a time they can be on the map, 4-5 minutes is just too short of a time. Maybe 7 minutes would make a good compromise. CaptainGhostRyde, you make a good point if they were visible the whole time, very few people would ever actually run into the shrooms. I would hate to see Riot over react and completely make Teemo useless. We will see what Riot does, but I certainly hope they don't change him too much.