You know what would make essence reaver good?

Veraska·Jul 22, 2014·15 votes·1,200 views

a mid tier item for laning phase.

when you compare ER to it's AP counterpart Athenes unholy grail, you realise how bad the item is, and its because it's an AWFUL thing to rush in lane. most champions you want to build the item don't want to dump 3400 gold for some mana regen, they either need it sooner then that (which is why they always get tear) or by the time you can afford the item your mana consumption isn't as big of a deal as it was during the laning phase

also if we gave ER a mid tier component it would fix the weird build situation where Vamp scepter and VF sword build into 2 different items.

so heres my reccomendation:

Runic Blade Recipe: Long sword + Long sword + Faerie charm + 400 G +20 Attack dmg +10% cooldown reduction +10% Lifesteal

UNIQUE Passive: Your basic attacks restore mana equal to between 2% and 8% of the physical damage dealt, based on your missing mana.

this gives champions like and an item to build in the laning phase to help mitigate there mana consumption issues. the laning phase is when they need it most, and Essence Reaver is never going to be good until the AD champions that want some kinda mana returns in there kit can get it when they need it most.

people wanted an AD chalice, you gave us an AD athenes, with an awkward build path. and this is my reccomendation on how to fix the "noob trap" that is ER

25 Comments

WorgslargJul 22, 20144 votes

I would say to drop the cdr on the runic blade for another 10 ad, so that building it does not put one miles behind in terms of damage.( as compared to a BF sword and perhaps a mana pot or 2

SunfieldJul 22, 20141 votes

It has the same amount of ad as BT has.

Imao cdr is the only thing that item has going for it

WorgslargJul 22, 20142 votes

It has the same amount of ad as BT has.

Imao cdr is the only thing that item has going for it

Runic Blade Recipe: Long sword + Long sword + Faerie charm + 400 G +20 Attack dmg +10% cooldown reduction +10% Lifesteal

I was suggesting dropping the 10% cdr on the Runic blade mid tier item, as that it costs about as much as a bf sword( off the top of my head) and replacing it with 10 extra AD, because no adc needs cdr on a mid tier item, but being 30 ad below the enemy adc, assuming the same amount of gold, is most definitly a setback

SunfieldJul 22, 20141 votes

Many adcs love cdr.

Cost efficiency is definetely there for ER, this item without passive is good. Imao the only problem is that I cant see any adc taking it besides Ezreal and maybe Corki, the rest prefers life steal and the shield from BT

Noam BraumskyJul 23, 20141 votes

When I play Caitlyn I normally pick it up to be able to spam my abilities more.

SunfieldJul 23, 20141 votes

Id say bt suits her more, but Im no expert on her

Sire HippingtonJul 22, 20142 votes

a mid-tier component for manasustain would be nice, but runic-blade looks to strong. U gain 10%cdr and 10%lifesteal and the manasustain for 580g, while alone th 10%lifesteal are worth 550g. take away the lifesteal, ad 5 AD and there u go.

LittleBlastJul 23, 20142 votes

I would suggest that the build path be item 1053 + item 1004 +320gold =Mid teir item, this would also put in the lifesteal you get from it.

OrisiJul 22, 20141 votes

I still think they don't even need to create a new item; just decrease the cost by 700g for the final combine, and add Forbidden Idol into the recipe. It has the CDR and mana stats already, and would explain where the hell they come from when you make the item in the first place. That way, you end up spending 1500g on the mana regen and vamp sceptre, giving life steal, cdr, mana regen and 10AD, then build into a BFS and finally ER. Simple, very minor change, makes the item slightly more efficient, and its build more efficient, without actually increasing the overall gold efficiency of the item itself, just your item efficiency in the run-up.

3DegreeChillJul 23, 20141 votes

you need to make sure so that champions wont just buy it for the mana regen, and then sell it afterwards when the laning phase is done

VeraskaJul 23, 20141 votes

i can't think of any champions who would buy the item and then not want an 80 AD item with a little CDR attached? give me some examples of who you think would buy the mid tier item and then sell it later on. im thinking maybe ezreal but even then, CDR is hard to find in a non blue build.

HackulatorJul 23, 20141 votes

That item seems too strong, remove the lifesteal, have it combine with vamp scepter to make the final item which has life steal on it.

VeraskaJul 23, 20141 votes

yeah i was imagining the item being a bit too beefy, im bad with numbers, i was more just making the point that ER needs a mid tier mana item so it doesn't feel like a gold dump for something you don't need as much past laning phase.

Dingus EvolutionJul 23, 20141 votes

It might also help to have the passive proc on physical damage instead of (edit) just auto attacks. That way it can be used with things like Varus Q, so you don't feel like you HAVE to be in auto attack range to utilize its passive. I actually like the cooldown in the item since essence reaver really wants to be the core item for caster style adcs. Their damage should come from spells, not raw damage. Corki is a great example of this.

VeraskaJul 23, 20143 votes

I think the auto attack thing is necessary. look what happens when you get ranged wave clear with low cost, you get xerath and ziggs farming waves from their tower. i think the mana return specifically on hit is there to promote you actually interact with your opponent instead of just push the wave with your long range rockets and arrows.

Dingus EvolutionJul 23, 20141 votes

Whoops, left a word out.

BeowwulfJul 23, 20141 votes

what if it stole 2 percent of the enemy's current mana?

Dingus EvolutionJul 23, 20142 votes

This is how Wit's End used to be. The problem (if I remember correctly) was that the effect was underwhelming against mages (which was the original purpose) and too strong against anyone else who didn't build mana or mana regen.

Sire HippingtonJul 24, 20141 votes

to be acurate, Kassadins W used to do that, wit's end burned a flat 42 amount of mana and dealt damage based on mana burned, makeing it strong vs low-manapool but not so usefull vs a high-manapool, and since back then AA+RoA was the goto built on mages, it was pretty pointless vs them

Sneak DogJul 25, 20141 votes

Manaburn is too binary and unfun. You either bring the opponent to 0 mana or you don't. If you do, they're now useless. If you don't, you accomplished nothing.

SilverclawJul 23, 20141 votes

I would not build the item as an ADC if it didn't give a lot of AD. Period. It's not worthwhile as a mid-tier item if it doesn't end up as a large ticket item for ADCs. The fact that it builds into a big ticket item means it can be bought (albeit not 100% of the time).

VeraskaJul 23, 20141 votes

my intention wasn't just for AD's i wanted to make this item an option for mana hungry AD casters as well. i wanted players to ask "should i go item 3134 or should i go for the mana sustain 1st?

FantasySniperJul 24, 20141 votes

item 3114 instead of item 1038 , anyone?

Sire HippingtonJul 24, 20141 votes

definitly not 'instead', that would leafe WR as a pure midgame item, so it would see as much play as manamune(even though manamune scales atleast somehow into late)

But inclouding item 3114 in item 3508 instead of a new midtier item would wotk i guess

Sneak DogJul 25, 20141 votes

Why should I upgrade the runic blade? It has every single stat Essence Reaver has, just less. Unique passives exist for this exact reason: give you a cool new effect for upgrading your item.

You also make hitting the 40% cdr cap as an ad caster really fast (3.8k, same as rushing infinity edge): build runic blade, boots of lucidity and a brutalizer. Currently you'd need the completed reaver or build two brutalizer items of which you need to upgrade one before building the second to accomplish this (adding a significant 1.3k gold at least to the process).

I think it's better to make the Reaver build out of two plain faery charms, perhaps give it 6 mana/5s to accomodate for these stats.