Udyr Rework Similar to Aphelios?

Mk2Chieftain·12/5/2019, 9:13:38 PM·2 votes·1,435 views

The title states my main point. Both are auto attack based and switch between various forms, except Aphelios has other abilities to actually use.

_My rationale: _

  1. Game play is very linear. Phoenix for wave-clear, tiger for dmg, turtle for defence, and bear for mobility and stun. You're either running at or away from the enemy. Not much expression there.
  2. His in game thematic doesn't match his lore thematic. I understand he went to Ionia, but how are Turtle, Monkey(Passive), and Phoenix related to the Freljord bar Anivia(Who is an ice phoenix)?
  3. His visuals are pretty outdated, though that can be said for a lot of champions still.

I have no numbers, but I do have a general direction I think would be beneficial.

How it could be done: Passive Place his animal spirits here with description of what each does. Replace his current set up with 4 Freljord animals(Bear and Tiger can be kept). Similar to Aphelios, each of Udyr's animals could have a finite resource that gets used up by abilities and is refreshed when not in use. Like Aphelios, Udyr can have a Dominant and Secondary animal, immediately switching to the secondary when his resource gets depleted. Like current Udyr, each ability can have a passive effect, and an on switch effect.

Q This slot can be used for his 'actual' ability based on his current animal, very similar to Aphelios. This gives Udyr a choice on when and where to use his tools.

W This can be made similar to Aphelios aswell. However instead of switching between Dominant and Secondary, Udyr can choose which of his animals to transform into with a rotating selection similar to TwistedFate Q. To make this more convenient, his current secondary will always be the first one toggled so that he can double press W for instant switch to his secondary.

E I honestly don't know what to do here. I think it'd be cool to have some kind of jg monster interaction, but I can't figure out how to execute it. This ability would stay the same regardless of animal giving Udyr a reliable ability.

R All the animals. You read that right. New ult gives Udyr the passives of all his animals at once. In addition, all his abilities are replaced by the Q ability of his animals. Basically Yi ult on steroids.

I a lot of this is probably overloaded hogwash, but I think it'd be a neat update. I'd love to know your opinions on my idea and about an Udyr rework in general.

TLDR: Rework Udyr into melee Aphelios.

Cheers!

3 Comments

Creamy Eevee12/6/2019, 12:03:15 AM2 votes

I'd be down with Udyr being similar to kayn myself

Passive is switchable forms

abilities have basic damage and ability from animal 1/2/3/4 depending on form

maybe like Q/E/R gets something from 1 2 or 3 with some of them contributing nothing to the ability

and R is something else actually usable with 4 as the main focus

Iunno to be honest

bonuspoints if they make dragon oracle actually neat instead of the crummy basic animation

CaptainAntiHeroz12/6/2019, 3:07:43 PM2 votes

Kindred passive style you can select between 5 stances (like how Kindred picks marks) Q will always be some form of damage be it increasing DPS, a clearing ability, DOT effect, Lifesteal W gets utility like a shield active, a small leap (similar to nidalees) for tiger stance, a stun, knockup, aoe slow E allows him to switch back to the last most recently used form (so you can switch between two forms without having to go down and click for teamfighting a little easier) R just enhances his abilities for a brief amount of time while giving him increased stats based on the form he's in

the biggest problem would be late game he could stack insane amounts of mana and stay in fights endlessly by switching forms so they could introduce a fury mechanic for him (that increases the amount of regen it gets after not using abilities temporarily based on how much mana he has, which would allow him to still build the item 3078 he likes while not allowing him to endlessly spam, but it should be a fury bar thats like a resource not something he can simply auto to regain because then he would spam on like a 2 second cooldown forever...

Savage the King12/10/2019, 4:58:30 PM2 votes

I'm a millionaire Udyr player (1.07M mastery points) and I've been playing him with great success and big failure since the last 2 seasons. The biggest issues I'm having with him right now are the following :

  • Udyr used to be a powerfarmer who could outrun anyone. I remember him having splitpush powers equivalent to Tryndamere or Jax and getting enemies into chases not unlike what Singed can do . Nowadays, first of all he's comparably meh at farming unless he gets an early advantage, and also since a number of champions have stupid amount of dashes available, and he can get outrun by a good deal of champions, the meta evolved without him.

  • I feel like having to choose between tiger and phoenix is a weakness in his design as he will only get 3 skills and a passive. Personally I always put one point in Phoenix as it helps my early clear. I would imagine if this choice would become part of his passive like Kayn , there could be something interesting in there.

  • Imho, Udyr is very weak in teamfights in the current meta, as a bruiser who gets kited easily. Of course, one can argue that he is way more of an early game champion rather than a scaling one, but he tends to become increasingly useless to his team as late game comes.

Many people suggested he could have a dash as part of his e mechanic, but honestly, I will argue that there is a problem with e altogether, as there already is a bear in the game (Volibear with a clearly better bear mechanic. I imagine there could be another animal which would be able to lunge or stick to an enemy (Warwick yeah well that also exists), and really upon thinking about it, what would be best is the tiger form making him able to jump to an enemy (oh sorry the concept is already thought of Nidalee ).

Soooo I guess it's not an easy one, but honestly Udyr as a beastman, seems to have a problem with his e, and maybe his passive about the choice of main stance.

My best possible idea would be that if the phoenix/tiger would be a lvl 6 choice or the like, then e would be replaced by a stance that is unique to each version of Udyr and works with the strengths of each type, which would be solo carrying (tiger) and teamfighting (phoenix). For example, have the bear stance with a dash for tiger and something like a bigger movement speed buff for phoenix. I'm also thinking that tiger and bear go well together, and phoenix and turtle also.

Hey, I wish u all a great day, gonna go play some more proxy Singed while thinking of other ways my favorite champ could be reworked!