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After playing so much Overwatch...

Ahri Body Pillow·11/17/2017, 12:35:19 AM·179 votes·6,992 views

I realized how much I love Riot Games. They update their game so much more frequently than Blizzard. I feel like their balance team more or less knows how to balance their game, and how to do so throughout most levels of play. For the most part, they know what feels good to play against and what feels bad to play against.

Not to mention, they communicate with their players a lot more. I think the best thing about Riot Games though is their ability to take criticism. If Blizzard even thinks you MIGHT be calling out their development team, they'll delete your post immediately. For the amount shit of this these Rioters get, they got some thick skin...

Seriously, we take Riot for granted. Disagree with me/ flame me all you want. Don't care. Riot Games is infinitely better than Blizzard and that is my very strong opinion!

66 Comments

Geauxx11/17/2017, 12:44:17 AM97 votes

Remember when people said overwatch would be the death of league? lmao

..... Pepperidge farms remembers.

Jamaree11/17/2017, 12:38:35 AM64 votes

No it isn't, get out of here, you aren't allowed to like or compliment Riot on GD, what is wrong with you?

IcyPepper11/17/2017, 12:49:02 AM20 votes

Riot Games is infinitely better than Blizzard and that's a goddamn opinion.

FTFY

Even if you really like Riot Games, both companies have their ups and downs.

Edit: He changed it.

ModCaptainMårvelous11/17/2017, 8:11:56 AM12 votes

The only part that boggled my mind with OW was them saying that "Toxicity is causing us to be slow on game updates".

The hell?

League/DOTA have arguably worse communities and both either update frequently (league) or push a massive patch at least once/twice a year (DOTA). Better yet, why the fuck is the art team slowing down hero ideation/concepts? Why do you have Jimmy in modeling working in player behavior?

MonkeyMadness11/17/2017, 6:20:39 AM6 votes

I don't think you've been playing quite that much Overwatch, then...True, League get's updated much more frequently, but those balance changes always result in a pretty hardcore "flavor of the month" effect where something ends up being disproportionately powerful. The only thing that Blizzard allowed to be OP for too long was Mercy. And tbh, having a resurrect skill in a game like that was bound to be a balance nightmare, no matter how you slice it.

Not to mention, they communicate with their players a lot more. I think the best thing about Riot Games though is their ability to take criticism. If Blizzard even thinks you MIGHT be calling out their development team, they'll delete your post immediately. For the amount shit of this these Rioters get, they got some thick skin...

No. This is factually inaccurate. Jeff Kaplan (lead dev on OW) regularly interacts with the community. And you'll provide citations for Blizzard deleting posts. I have never heard of this. Riot, however, is very good at banning players unjustly, waiting about 3 weeks while they post in the forums, then realizing their fuck up and reaching out to try to fix it. Never heard of this happening at Blizzard.

Galactic Mayhem11/17/2017, 1:18:47 AM5 votes

Same boat as you I got my account suspended on the ow boards for asking if Blizzard dev team stopped listening to the community for balance(hog mercy etc) and what was the current game state since I uninstalled and had not kept up with anything,got tons of upvotes and good responses then BAM suspension

Ya ow sucks big time and the sheep that play the game have been indoctrinated to such a point they threat the lack of permanent content and everything being behind loot boxes as good things and that they are privileged to be able to support ow via buying loot boxes ignoring the simple fact

THAT OW IS A FULL PRICED GAME THAT SOLD MILLIONS AND IS OWNED BY ONE OF THE BIGGEST MORE WEALTHY GAMING COMPANIES IN THE WORLD

Pokku11/17/2017, 11:00:50 AM5 votes

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Linna Excel11/17/2017, 5:41:13 AM5 votes

Blizzard's official response to slow updates is that they have to update the consoles at the same time and that is a time consuming process that slows them down.

OurLestrade11/17/2017, 1:44:10 PM4 votes

People complained about the whole Ardent Censer thing, meanwhile Overwatch had a single viable support character for around three months.

General Esdeath 11/17/2017, 5:16:51 AM4 votes

Balance team may get flak from me once in a while, but they actually try. Blizzard just says "well I was playing Pharah and died, give her a buff"

TwitchInMyPants11/17/2017, 8:55:20 AM4 votes

Blizzard is banning people who play off-meta heroes now and refusing to revoke the bans

At least with the Singed support shit Riot admitted they were wrong eventually and they don't ban someone for one-tricking a champion if they legitimately try

Not only that but they designed Ranked in that game to reward one tricking more than wins or losses, there's a reason you could get Mercy into top 500 with a 40% winrate. Game loves gold medals more than wins. Oh and even though they'll ban you for playing an off-meta hero as your main they don't ban people for actual bad behavior unless its recorded on stream and people rage at Blizzard thousands of times about it.

Overwatch is a decent game that's dumping all of its resources into a shitty esports League that doesn't even include all the regions (1 London, 1 Korea, and 1 China and visas are preventing China from even having a full team) and has a slow as hell production schedule. There's 3 heroes/3 maps per year which is good because of the amount of detail but they're not even doing events proper anymore and they almost never rebalance heroes without outright reworks. Overwatch could be a good game but it seems like Blizzard really has fucked up priorities.

Neurosurgeonwolf11/17/2017, 9:21:40 PM4 votes

Blizzard with their current "balance" state the past few months has been an appaling mess.

If it wasn't for the gamblebox craze, I'd say blizzard was up there in absolute ridiculous affairs.

#I was actually BANNED from their forums because I stated facts about the Mercy rework as well as the fact that they literally went out of their way to ignore all feedback in a post with over 3.2k POSTS in it.

I know people who have been BANNED purely for calling out developers, and not even rudely. POLITELY and even complimenting blizzard. That's how goddamn ridiculous it is. Want to compliment someone? PREPARE TO BE BANNED.

Blizzard is ridiculous.

If it wasn't for the gamblebox craze in battlefront and shadow of war I'd have a lot to say. But alas, there are more critical issues than simply being a normal PR nightmare.

rtbf22561824111/17/2017, 2:52:38 PM3 votes

Um..isn't Blizzard's content usually of high quality? Also, i'm pretty sure it is infinitely harder to update OW without adding entire heroes or permanent maps into it. Something Riot never (maps) does or does on a long cooldown aswell (champions).

You're comparing completely different games and i'm pretty sure it's easier to update League when you have state of the art equipment for it. Idk how Blizzard handles their stuff or how much they make for their tools.

WhiteUranium11/17/2017, 1:57:14 AM3 votes

I really enjoy OW because it reminds me of league, but it's an FPS. I think Blizzard still does a good job of listening to players, not nearly as good as Riot, but compared to the current state of games, its not too shabby.

However, I've never been on the boards, so I don't know. I just like playing Roadhog, the ultimate waifu.

EgoLain11/17/2017, 5:32:59 AM3 votes

Yeah I haven't played Overwatch in like 6+ months because nothing has really changed. Sure some heroes got reworked a bit (Mercy, D.va) but the meta is just so stale and boring. Also OW's overall skill ceiling is rather low when compared to LoL, or even HotS. Only fun stuff is playing with friends and arcade really.

Lux Is Mai Waifu11/17/2017, 5:53:36 PM2 votes

Both suck at listening to their players tbh I would give Blizz the win over Riot because they've invested their billions in account security, Riot's permaban-you-and-ask-you-trivia-questions system would have been a joke 7 years ago, yet here we still are

Kinnikuko11/17/2017, 6:20:41 PM2 votes

Only thing League has over overwatch is that this community usually can give detailed and somewhat intelligent feedback about balance. If you've ever been to the overwatch forums you'd know how many children and child-like adults screech about their biased balance changes.

Yi Bencheikh11/17/2017, 11:29:28 AM2 votes

Did you know riot games admire blizzard ?

Blizzard have alot of amazing games which the former riot co founders RIOT ryze and tryndamere were fan of , i am talking about starcraft and warcraft. so i don't think riot even likes when people compare them with blizzard.

Raiyza11/17/2017, 9:05:34 PM2 votes

Riot may very well be updating their game more than Blizzard, but that doesn't mean Riot is better. If I'm not mistaken, (I don't play Overwatch so I'm not entirely sure), League of Legends has more technical and complicated elements in it, which in turn require much more examination and balancing.

Am I right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also League has been around MUCH longer, therefore, a lot more work has been put into League than Overwatch.

Again, that doesn't mean Riot is better. Many of Riot's changes are absolute crap. That's with any gaming company. You can't please everyone.

The Bad Touch11/18/2017, 1:34:05 PM2 votes

That's funny after playing HotS I realized how boring LoL is.

AR URF11/17/2017, 6:22:58 PM2 votes

The fact that there are so many haters means that people don't even play this game and just troll the forums and down vote.

korg02311/17/2017, 5:12:29 PM2 votes

In overwatch i have 200 fps and in Lol 30 late game fights , overwatch looks 10 times prettier graphics wise. Riot cant optimize their game.

Rainfall11/17/2017, 5:49:38 PM2 votes

yeah blizzard sucks with balancing,i am a hearthstone player,wild is like living hell for everyone who enjoys life.Blizzard was like,hey is this card broken? put it in wild.

soopcan11/18/2017, 5:54:00 AM2 votes

Here's an example: I was an almost completely one-trick roadhog (like 8 hours of hog to 1 on mccree, my second most played) from s1-s3 (~57 at s1, hovered in low masters in s3 placements) which was the time period i played OW. Hog was literally the most fun hero in the game for me, and the game very clearly had bigger issues then his hook at the time (cough DVA) but when they got around to reworking it the first time they made it more smooth but hog became actually broken (which was insanely fun to play lol). Then, they reworked him AGAIN and apparently he's still very good, but he doesn't feel nearly as fun to play as than before. They f'ed up the thing i and other hog mains loved about roadhog: his unique playstyle. They made him into another sissy low-damage tank which is SUUUUPER residentsleeper to play as compared to his previous iterations as the badass squishy oneshotter. It just shows how long it takes for them to fix issues, and then they ban people for criticizing that trait of the balance team. LOL ok.

It's not easy to balance a game well, and I doubt roadhog is easy to balance either, but their balancing has just been bad, even with those low standards set. not to mention the game is B O R I N G now. Oh yea and the community suuuuuucks, it only got worse as the seasons went by

Colonel J11/18/2017, 4:11:47 AM1 votes

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I feel like their balance team more or less knows how to balance their game, and how to do so throughout most levels of play.

LOL

T4underbolt11/18/2017, 1:00:48 PM1 votes

"Know how to balance the game". Made my day. Juggernauts, tanks, ardent, heal shields supports, galio and many other bullsht. Plus you are comparing 2 different type of games and i dont know if you noticed that riot copied hots/overwatch system of lvling but made it worse intentionally to rip off players.

PaffWasTaken11/18/2017, 4:28:23 AM1 votes

It's like having the choice between getting 20 or 30% at an exam; One is better, but both are pretty pretty far from being good. When compaired to several other gaming companies, both Blizzard and Riot are enought laughable at to be at the same level of EA