Can we revert all the bullshit changes to runes/masteries/jungle/supports from the past 2 seasons ?

SchaferBot·Dec 1, 2019·34 votes·11,230 views

I cant even tell when shit began to go downhill but this crap has been getting worse for atleast 2 seasons now...

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FazerPowerZDec 1, 20196 votes

I think it mainly all started downhill when runes reforged got released. What an abomination of a release. People say champs aren't balanced. Gee I wonder why? Hmmm... let's think for a minute... Oh wait! DERP! It's runes reforged that's why! Let's just gut and get rid of the old masteries and rune system we had before that was hint hint stable enough for anyone to be able to use and not break the game. Now that riot has incorporated this new rune system it has gone down hill ever since.

Also not to mention some items that champions use that riot has buffed or reworked since. It's not the champions.. It's what they use that's broken. The champions were fine until certain runes and keystone changes took effect. Now it's just a damage fest of a mess.

WoonStruckDec 1, 20194 votes

Funny, for me its been going downhill for 5 seasons, with it getting exponentially worse.

BeersteinDec 1, 20191 votes

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Funny, for me its been going downhill for 5 seasons, with it getting exponentially worse.

We on 10? I preferred 2.

WoonStruckDec 1, 20191 votes

I preferred everything before 4.20. Since then preseason hasn't been major balance adjustments, they've been change for the sake of change that fucked up the balance of the game more and more each season, with no corrections being made unless Riot didn't like something specific in the shitty metas they force on us.

Beacon AcademyDec 1, 20192 votes

I mean... I kinda liked silences being removed from assassins tho...

Edit: Double checked and as long as its after 4.17, I'm down for that.

Crescent DuskDec 1, 20192 votes

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I mean... I kinda liked silences being removed from assassins tho...

Edit: Double checked and as long as its after 4.17, I'm down for that.

Why? Talon was a way healthier champ before. If you watch his 7 year old video his full combo did half of an Ahri's HP. Now, a full combo does 100% of a mage's HP as an example, and this is not just assassins.

They've made assassins completely kamikaze feast or famine champs. I'd rather they remain disruptive high threat divers with exit capabilities if it means everyone sees reduced damage so nobody is getting one rotation killed.

WoonStruckDec 1, 20192 votes

Kass and Leblanc deserved to lose theirs, but both of them are completely fucking broken compared to old talon.

Talon mains were happy with the old Talon, and sported some of the highest winrates of any mains.

Daddy AntsDec 1, 20192 votes

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Kass and Leblanc deserved to lose theirs, but both of them are completely fucking broken compared to old talon.

Talon mains were happy with the old Talon, and sported some of the highest winrates of any mains.

No assassin should possess a silence.

WoonStruckDec 1, 20191 votes

And what reason do you have for that that doesn't also apply to every other champion in the game?

Most of the people claiming assassins shouldn't have silences don't have an actual reason.

For Kass and Leblanc it makes sense, since they were hard to fight in general, considering the mobility, and in leblanc's case CC. It was over the top on them.

Why shouldn't old Talon have had a silence? Was it because it actually made him useful relative to the other assassins in the game that were broken? You know, Rengar, Kha, Leblanc, Kass...

If they gave a new champion a silence, even if it weren't an assassin, you'd be just as frustrated fighting it. And I 100% guarantee your response to it wouldn't be "Its okay because this champion isn't an assassin. :D"

Honestly, I hate assassins in this game. I don't think a single one is well balanced. But saying an assassin can't have a silence just because they're assassins is mental deficiency at its finest. The effective uptime plays a large part in how balanced it will be. Most of them lasted too long, weren't on the right champs, and were up too often.

RαyDec 1, 20194 votes

I miss seasons 3-7 so much it hurts. Yes, 7 wasn't perfect (mostly due to Ardent), but it was nowhere near this unbalanced oneshot shitshow we have to deal with for two years now.

Beacon AcademyDec 1, 20192 votes

Pretty sure it started going downhill shortly after SR got its VGU

BeersteinDec 1, 20191 votes

There also used to be clear jungler rune paths. Now almost everything is "to champions". I'd have to look but IIRC only two do damage to jungle minions. Absolute Focus and fleet footwork lol. Not gonna say anything bad about the first, it's actually really nice on healthy junglers, but fleet footwork doesn't belong in JG anyway, so there's 1.

Honestly, there are bits here and there, but nothing that feels really like a jungle runeset. That was a huge difference with the old rune systems that had clear jungle runes. So many now are focused on lane trading.

SchaferBotDec 1, 20193 votes

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There also used to be clear jungler rune paths. Now almost everything is "to champions". I'd have to look but IIRC only two do damage to jungle minions. Absolute Focus and fleet footwork lol. Not gonna say anything bad about the first, it's actually really nice on healthy junglers, but fleet footwork doesn't belong in JG anyway, so there's 1.

Honestly, there are bits here and there, but nothing that feels really like a jungle runeset. That was a huge difference with the old rune systems that had clear jungle runes. So many now are focused on lane trading.

Yea I remember them aswell, you could pick +5 dmg to jungle monsters, extended buff duration, specific jungle rune pages etc.

kaericDec 1, 20191 votes

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I cant even tell when shit began to go downhill but this crap has been getting worse for atleast 2 seasons now...

we don't want season 7 remember rengar at that time ? my friend which was the level of a silver 2 got diamond just by playing rengar he just jumped in the fights and was having tripe kill which was enough for the rest of the team to clean up . I don,t even remember season 6 so lets go to 5 , to i have to explain beside it was juggernauts time ? season 4 the one that we are almost in right now ( season 10) beside the fact that people knew how to team fight at that moment since it was the only way to play no real split push champ or huge mobility so hum yeah best season since before that we can call riot still trying ( jax 100 % counter under fountain turret , ap yi etc.