Killing LeBlanc, ha!

The Raidbringer·May 24, 2015·47 votes·3,443 views

You know, every once in a while the enemy LeBlanc gets a , gets a few kills afterwards and you're forced to deal with that or she'll just double distortion your team and end the game. So, trying to kill your squishy she overextends and is forced to and W away. You catch up to her with a ultimate and guess what??? Hmmmm???

She activates , waits for cooldowns during the 2,5 second stasis and double dashes away again. Meanwhile the Jinx has taken all the towers in a lane and you feel stupid because ignoring LeBland would have been just as detrimental to your team.

Sometimes I wish champions that are immune to bad situations like just didn't exist.

64 Comments

allthemuslimsMay 25, 201512 votes

Leblanc destroys most of her early lanes, gets a nice spike at 6 and 11, and drops off late game. If your team is full of squishies, sure, she just keeps spiking and spiking and becomes an unstoppable monster, but shame on you and the rest of your team for picking 5 squishies. She isn't a real plausible threat in teamfights if your frontline is even decent at their jobs. She's squishy as all hell and if she unloads her burst on you then your carry gets free rain of her team while she waits for cooldowns, or she has to juke around the tanks to get at the squishy, which sets her easy kill combo (q r w w) on cooldown while her w is down. again, while she's looking for an angle on your squishies she's doing nothing for her team and it's a 4v5 fight. And if she gets behind and can't even burst a squishy, it's game over for her. She's mobile, yes, but using her double mobility also removes most of her burst damage, unless your team decided to clump up and get double distortioned. And other champions punish that grouping much harder than LB (Orianna, Malphite, Gnar, Viktor to name a few) LeBlanc is not overly overbearing, unless you try to get in her face as a squishy. TL;DR you guys don't realize that her insane burst combo can't be combined with her absurd mobility combo. She has to choose whether to reposition or 1 shot someone squishy, which plenty of other champions can do as well (You don't complain about Syndra's point and click "I hate you, you're dead"or Malzahar's "Okay I'm going to ruin your day no matter how tanky you build" playstyles. LB risks her body for a superior burst, lower CD, and some mobility. I think that that's a fair trade)

DrukyulMay 25, 20156 votes

gets a nice spike at 6 and 11

These are important: kill Leblanc at levels 5/10/15. Her ultimate spikes are huge.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20155 votes

drops off late game.

Lol?

Buttigieg 2020May 25, 20152 votes

Yes, it's true. If your carry buys banshees veil then lb becoms a liability for her team. She can't split, she can't teamfight, she can't make solo picks, she is useless late game.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20152 votes

Ummm? You know the biggest problem about banshees and why it doesnt do shit? Because lb actually has a team which can easily proc banshees and its cooldown is quite long. She can do all of those things you said pretty well.

Also, if i have to spend 2.400 k gold as an adc or an assasin to goddamn have a chance to survive while enemy can build full damage, something is wrong, dont you think?

Buttigieg 2020May 25, 20152 votes

Leblanc cannot split push, she can barely teamfight, and she can make picks on glass cannon squishies that facecheck her without their team. As much as I hate Leblanc, she does indeed fall off late game.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20151 votes

1 dash in late kills 1 wave and has low cooldown to do it on every wave, splitpushing possible.

1 second kills of squishies in teamfights and then come back safely, teamfighting really possible.

NO need for facechecks, just dash, dash = kill or 80% hp down on enemy squishy, then come back safely, because why not?

AnidanMay 25, 20152 votes

Yo, isn't this the tank meta or some shit? Just because your squishies happened to not pick tanks doesn't mean you can't protect them. It's called 'zoning', something LB can't really deal with if she wants to explode that squishy. If you see LeBlanc coming toward your squishy teammates, then move yourself in between her and them and force her to deal with you first.

LeBlanc has a team, you're right a couple posts ago, but so does your squishy. If you aren't willing to give him any teamplay, then why are we assuming LeBlanc is getting anything different? "but what if almost everyone on my team is squishy?" then you lost at champion select by making poor choices and expecting to not get bit on the ass for it. And as valuable as Banshee's is against LeBlanc, that's not her best item counter - GA is. Because now, yes, she maybe killed your squishy ass, but now her cooldowns are up, annnnd you're back to keep teamfighting while she accomplished pretty much fuck all if someone else her team can't stand on top of you and try to re-kill you. And that's if the Magic Resist on GA even let her kill you at all, especially if paired with Bloodthirster shield.

TL;DR: LeBlanc is obnoxious, and she outright kills squishies that have no protection because that's her actual freaking job. Protect your squishies or don't be surprised when an assassin assassinates. Also, 1 dash in the late-game won't kill a whole wave. Not even with Luden's. The melee minions will survive pretty reliably. In addition, seeing her try to deal with a Bannered minion is goddamn hilarious. Especially if that bannered minion has baron buff. She can do so little that it's a work of beauty.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20152 votes

Yea, you move yourself, so what? YOu do realise her biggest damage output comes from aoe? YOu mean stunning her? Good luck. You see a lb can do her combo in about 1 sec easily. For someone to react it will take 0.3-0.4 seconds, that leaves 0.6 or so seconds to actually cast a skill, which is impposible, because no cc in this game is instant. Every cc has cast time/travel time or is a skillshot.

Also, becauise of lb not long cooldowns she will be able to just go back to safety because her damaging dash can also return her. And then repeat everything again. Also, losing your adc/apc even for 2 seconds or so can mean death for the team.

Do you remember why assasin champs with silence were nerfed and many others? Because they had no counterplay.

I agree with lb being able to burst down squishies, she is an assasin after all, but after doing all her damage she can safelly go back with no penalty? That is bullshit. When i play talon or rengar i have to constantly think how the fck am i going to get out. Lb? Jump, Jump, Jump back. Thats it.

TL:DR. I dont care if leblanc has shitloads of damage, she is an assasin after all. But she is far too safe for her job. Even zed is not as safe as her and gives a bigger window of opportunity against her. Its outright broken that she can deal such high ammounts of damage while being so safe.

AnidanMay 25, 20152 votes

The only idea I've seen that I like is reducing her window of opportunity to bounce back, so that if she gets CC'd, it actually means something. Right now, most CC is horrible against her. All of her counterplay would be that much more prominent if CC actually meant a damn thing to her. 4 seconds feels way too long. If they reduced that to 2 seconds it'd amplify her counterplay, and make her that much easier to deal with. She still has counterplay like I said, but her Distortion pad lasts way too long upon a second thought after my initial post.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20151 votes

EIther this, or you have to make her sacrifise her damage for her safety. I still dont get it, zed is treated like shit, patch after patch after patch, yet lb, is always overlooked even though shes more toxic to play against.

AbyssphereMay 26, 20151 votes

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1 dash in late kills 1 wave and has low cooldown to do it on every wave, splitpushing possible.

1 second kills of squishies in teamfights and then come back safely, teamfighting really possible.

NO need for facechecks, just dash, dash = kill or 80% hp down on enemy squishy, then come back safely, because why not?

Having waveclear does not make someone a splitpusher. She's an AP champ with no AA buff, she's not a splitpusher.

Dextix LTMay 26, 20151 votes

She can easily clear 1 wave in 4 seconds or so. And she has the escape and solo potential and is enough of a threat for the enemy team to notice. Dont know, looks like a viable splitpusher to me.

LstrikeMay 25, 20151 votes

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These are important: kill Leblanc at levels 5/10/15. Her ultimate spikes are huge.

Not really. Her sigil + distortion damage chunks about 30% of your HP. and very few mids can trade with her even before 6.

QuortMay 25, 20151 votes

Don't face tank her combo then. Most LeBlancs are pretty obvious about when they intend to go after you, so plan accordingly and be prepared to retaliate.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20151 votes

Umm, they are not so obvious as you might think. One second you may be farming and the other you lost 50% of your hp.

QuortMay 26, 20151 votes

When you see her use Sigil of Malice assume she is going to attempt to hit you with another skill. You have to be on your toes whenever fighting an Assassin as all of them have the potential to deal large amounts of damage in a short period. Play either a long range champion that she will have to signify her intentions by moving towards you; if you must move within her range, prepare to retaliate. Otherwise play a champion with easy repositioning to dodge the Distortion and out trade her.

Dextix LTMay 26, 20151 votes

Her sigil combo is far too fast and gives too small window of opportunity to react. Also, yes, assasins have the ability to deal much damage in short period, but balanced assasins do not kill you instantly and give you a window of opportunity to react and they cannot go back instantly after dealing their damage.

QuortMay 26, 20151 votes

LeBlanc's combo is not too fast, in fact, it's way slower than Talon or Katarina's (excluding Death Lotus) combos with their instant repositioning. Besides, after she uses it, she can't use it again for another few seconds... Another few seconds during which she is more vulnerable to ganks or to your harass. It's not too difficult to trade with LeBlanc as long as you don't just stand there like a punching bag. Yes, some matchups will be hell, but even in a poor matchup against her you can do well by at the very least not feeding.

Anyway, all Assassins can kill you instantly and all of them will attempt to escape as quickly as possible. LeBlanc does not 100-0 someone unless ahead, however, her burst is significant so try to avoid being low around her and buy some defense. Be careful when she hits level six because that's a huge power spike.

LeBlanc also needs the return pads, more so than other Assassins and that's why she has them. Adding a delay to them would be a horrible way to Nerf her since you're basically asking her to make herself vulnerable for a whole second for literally no reason other than to give her opponents time to beat her up.

His GoatlinessMay 25, 20151 votes

A good leblanc is already in position to go behind the frontline(not through it) and murder anyone without a tank build.

EvilRabbittMay 24, 201511 votes

LeBlanc is not immune to bad situations. None of them are. In the case of the former 3, point and click cc should be used when you see them gearing up to be mobile (dash/leap/etc)- Maokai, Annie, Fiddlesticks, etc. These are all strong. Now to riven? Freaking easy. She is super feast or famine, pick an abusive early game champ like Pantheon or Darius or even Caitlyn (yes, this works...). Just saying. They are strong, but thats because NOBODY wants to adjust to win- they wanna play there Yasuo into that Zed, the Fizz into Cho'gath. But realizing that you can't just "outplay" a hard counter is crucial to winning a ~~STRATEGY~~ game. Yep. This is not Super Smash Bros. This is a MOBA, a strategy game. Even though Riot is moving to flashier and flashier plays, the circumstances stick until all point and click abilities vanish. You can be countered, you will be countered, and you cannot beat your counter in an ~~even~~ matchup. You can only survive.

Oh wait, I forgot. I'm a bronzie, my opinions are invalidated. Enjoy winning those Cho'gath match-ups while playing combo oriented champions ^.^ Idk what I'm saying.

The ChaperoneMay 25, 20151 votes

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LeBlanc is not immune to bad situations. None of them are. In the case of the former 3, point and click cc should be used when you see them gearing up to be mobile (dash/leap/etc)- Maokai, Annie, Fiddlesticks, etc. These are all strong. Now to riven? Freaking easy. She is super feast or famine, pick an abusive early game champ like Pantheon or Darius or even Caitlyn (yes, this works...). Just saying. They are strong, but thats because NOBODY wants to adjust to win- they wanna play there Yasuo into that Zed, the Fizz into Cho'gath. But realizing that you can't just "outplay" a hard counter is crucial to winning a ~~STRATEGY~~ game. Yep. This is not Super Smash Bros. This is a MOBA, a strategy game. Even though Riot is moving to flashier and flashier plays, the circumstances stick until all point and click abilities vanish. You can be countered, you will be countered, and you cannot beat your counter in an ~~even~~ matchup. You can only survive.

Oh wait, I forgot. I'm a bronzie, my opinions are invalidated. Enjoy winning those Cho'gath match-ups while playing combo oriented champions ^.^ Idk what I'm saying.

Im not exactly sure but I think that yasuo vs zed is a skill matchup, not a hard counter.

EvilRabbittMay 25, 20152 votes

Maybe, I was kinda post feisty so idk how correct it was but to the zed v yas- I always see zed get fed in that fight.

AGladePluginMay 25, 20152 votes

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super feast or famine

This ideology follows a large amount of assassins. With the LB situation that you mentioned, since she popped hourglass, you team now has 2.5 seconds to collapse. She is super squishy and can be bursted quite easily. Same goes with another champion considered OP by some: Katarina. Stun or silence a Kat so she can keep jumping around or Ult your team, you can easily turn and obliterate her. It's all about focusing your damage and especially respecting the power that they have and saving an ability so that you can shut them down. Assassins are high risk high reward so take advantage of the risk they are taking.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20154 votes

HIgh risk high reward? LeBroken? You are serious right? Yes, she is squishy, however, after she blows both of her distrotions, takes half of your hp off, she instantly without any wait time can teleport back. Almost all cc in this game is either with cast time, a skillshot, or melle range, good luck to hit any of those on LeBroken.

EvilRabbittMay 25, 20151 votes

Maokai would like a word.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20151 votes

So, now every time you see a LeBlanc you must take maokai? Also, even that would be really hard to do, why? First of all because Lb has a big window of opportunity to come back to her original location, secondly, because maokai is a goddamn tank which doesnt have that high of a damage output, unless fed of course.

EvilRabbittMay 25, 20154 votes

woah woah woah. You wanna beat LeBlanc by ~~NOT~~ counterpicking? Excuse me while I go check the world around me to make sure the sky is blue.

Dextix LTMay 26, 20151 votes

So basically, she is broken then. If you need to counterpick a champ just to have a chance to win against him, he is fundamentally broken. You should be able to counterplay champs, and if that is incredibly hard unless you are a counter, again the champ is broken.

AbstracT TheoryMay 25, 20151 votes

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LeBlanc is not immune to bad situations. None of them are. In the case of the former 3, point and click cc should be used when you see them gearing up to be mobile (dash/leap/etc)- Maokai, Annie, Fiddlesticks, etc. These are all strong. Now to riven? Freaking easy. She is super feast or famine, pick an abusive early game champ like Pantheon or Darius or even Caitlyn (yes, this works...). Just saying. They are strong, but thats because NOBODY wants to adjust to win- they wanna play there Yasuo into that Zed, the Fizz into Cho'gath. But realizing that you can't just "outplay" a hard counter is crucial to winning a ~~STRATEGY~~ game. Yep. This is not Super Smash Bros. This is a MOBA, a strategy game. Even though Riot is moving to flashier and flashier plays, the circumstances stick until all point and click abilities vanish. You can be countered, you will be countered, and you cannot beat your counter in an ~~even~~ matchup. You can only survive.

Oh wait, I forgot. I'm a bronzie, my opinions are invalidated. Enjoy winning those Cho'gath match-ups while playing combo oriented champions ^.^ Idk what I'm saying.

people just dont care about counters in low elo. But u tried.

Dextix LTMay 25, 20152 votes

Counter does not = counterplay.

EvilRabbittMay 25, 20152 votes

Exactly. Moba's are strategy games. By distinction. You aren't supposed to take a Nasus into a Darius top lane and win the phase.

ApplyForAGrantMay 25, 20155 votes

I don't understand why the rage at LB is still so strong. Most of us don't even see her anymore since she's banned so much.

VenomousNecroMay 25, 201510 votes

Most of us play normals blind pick since rank most of the time is toxic and draft pick just takes too long. I just hate to see me or some one go against leblanc since she can just win lane with just using her Q then W combo and shutting her down is impossible since a 1 second dash is balanced and she can go back to it making it easy for her to juke you

dr lichdeathMay 25, 20151 votes

not to mention low cost and low cd :(

WhiteFireOCNMay 25, 201528 votes

since she's banned so much.

This is why people hate her, she's either banned, or picked and starts popping everyone

A champ that is pick-or-ban is a problem

Malix FarwinMay 25, 20151 votes

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I don't understand why the rage at LB is still so strong. Most of us don't even see her anymore since she's banned so much.

sometimes i would like to actually use teambuilder but with leblanc and sejuani being around, i cant really do that can i?

ZahzMay 25, 20151 votes

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sometimes i would like to actually use teambuilder but with leblanc and sejuani being around, i cant really do that can i?

pretty easily. I have seen maybe 1 leblanc in 2 weeks. And i didnt even notice sejuani was astill a top pick

PlushBoresMay 25, 20153 votes

Talon Hi

Zen FuryMay 25, 20153 votes

You pick Leblanc for early game pubstomps. That's all she's really good for. If the team with LeStank is't aggressively pressing that advantage and the games go late, she's not very useful.

She's a single target assassin. Once you're beyond the gank and spank phase of the game her contributions become limited. At least at higher levels of play.

The3choMay 25, 20152 votes

Vi's point and click isn't instant like the champions EvilRabbitt mentioned. Almost all LeBlanc I face are actually pretty bad, but, they get away with being bad because they're blinded by their raw damage alone. Lately, whether she's banned or not for some reason doesn't scare me anymore...and I main ADC of all things.

If your map awareness and warding is good, her ganking paths are rather predictable. In teamfights, same thing with the wards: watch her on the map and - above all - stay behind your frontline.

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Oh wait, I forgot. I'm a bronzie, my opinions are invalidated. Enjoy winning those Cho'gath match-ups while playing combo oriented champions ^.^ Idk what I'm saying.

Don't count yourself out my friend! I was bronze as well with a declining record. I'm barely silver now and slowly climbing. Everyone has their own bit of game knowledge to share, big or small.

Mylon RequiemMay 25, 20152 votes

Here are a few champions in the current meta that excel at locking down LeBlanc with absolutely zero chance of escape: Annie Urgot Maokai Morgana Thresh

Stop complaining about a champion and consider the fact that maybe it's your failure to understand what to do to shut down the champion, and not the champion itself. As a Leblanc main, I assure you playing against Talon Swain Zed Lissandra Kassadin Diana Chogath is not fun nor easy, and if I win the matchup or get fed, it's because I'm skilled, not because the champion is broken and easy-mode.

Recently I just shit on a Leblanc as Nidalee midlane, which is extremely hard to do assuming you're against a skilled opponent. The enemy LeBlanc never pressured me for CS nor did she trade or W-R to get free damage on me, so I just scaled, got one item, hit her with one spear, and all-in'd with summoner 14 . Learn how to play the champion and you''ll quickly learn counterplay.

WheatloafMay 25, 20152 votes

Play Malzahar, slap your entire keyboard harder than she does, then scream "OUTPLAYED" in /all chat.

Okay, she's a terrible early lane for Malz, but most LeBlanc players would be extremely peeved if you did do that.

ZahzMay 25, 20151 votes

that sounds like u just got outplayed. as Vi you just tried to ult her and she did the rest of your post....

The RaidbringerMay 25, 20152 votes

LeBlanc jumps on my carry and fails to kill it. I react to her being overextended by attempting to punish her. She just used W away, I used R to catch up to her, she Zhonya'd and double dashed away to safety and that's me being outplayed? No, that's just her design being incredibly forgiving for bad plays. Any other assassin would have died.

ZahzMay 25, 20151 votes

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LeBlanc jumps on my carry and fails to kill it. I react to her being overextended by attempting to punish her. She just used W away, I used R to catch up to her, she Zhonya'd and double dashed away to safety and that's me being outplayed? No, that's just her design being incredibly forgiving for bad plays. Any other assassin would have died.

no thats you chasing a leblanc with your ult carrying you away from your team on a super evasive champ. thats being outplayed. you pressed one button during that entire process and are mad she got away using every escape she has plus summoners and a zhonyas.