plat is virtually unwinnable as a solo support. 2-4 mans are a regular occurrence on the other team and all of players i get teamed with are the typical toxic and tilted players that everyone hates. I love league, but it keeps getting harder to invest time into it when i can't help but feel a blatantly obvious problem isn't being addressed.
Jeanne fan club18 votesAs a plat support main I can assure you its not premades making you lose, Its complete vegetable teammates that have no business being in plat. I cannot explain the about of complete trash that plagues every single game in plat, its much worse than bronze. Its like 70% of games are decided in champ select because of the teams not picking for any sort of comp, and the lack of tank players. I have never seen such a landfill of utter garbage deciding my rank based on the feelings of egotistical pricks who afk after being asked to build an item. The games are decided within the first 5 kills in plat because of tilt
Mister Support5 votes^^^^^^ This. also a plat support main and can't stress this enough. (Just commented above then saw this post). The amount of boosted players is freaking rampant. Both ways it will either be a massive stomp or being stomped because of either stubborn players not adjusting their picks, or overall just terrible mechanics and decision making. Its not too enjoyable to play. But I will say when you get that one equally matched game, it is so lovely.
GhostInTheShell1 votes[{quoted}](name=MadCast Fenris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zseOV6hr,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-07-03T18:40:27.063+0000)
^^^^^^ This. also a plat support main and can't stress this enough. (Just commented above then saw this post). The amount of boosted players is freaking rampant. Both ways it will either be a massive stomp or being stomped because of either stubborn players not adjusting their picks, or overall just terrible mechanics and decision making. Its not too enjoyable to play. But I will say when you get that one equally matched game, it is so lovely.
Why do you assume they're stubborn? They might just be more comfortable with certain champions and are not willing to adjust their pick to play something they're not comfortable with.
Mister Support2 votesFor the ones I called stubborn, that's after checking their profile and seeing that they do play things like tanks and ap mids. If they're a one trick or play only ad mids that's another issue entirely.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesSorry but if i have to play let's say top and the enemy picked a yasuo,quinn or irelia I won't play a tank just for our "comp" so i get completely zoned from farm until i can finally afford some tank items (not talking about "tanks" like swain top or something like this, more like nautilus) but play with which i'm comfortable with e.g. Gangplank. So either u can adjust and pick an engage supp, jungle or we just win our lanes, focus on objectives and less teamfighting, which i expect u to being able in plat. I don't know why y'all think we absolutely need tanks, same as the crying about "pls no ad only". Btw i wouldn't flame the "boosted" once so much considering you dropped a whole 3 divisions in only a month.... kinda sounds boosted to me xD And another thing is: i didn't look up too much of your games but from what i saw in your (ranked) games the mostly consisted of atleast one gold player sometimes even severals. So a mix of plat 3s down to gold 1/2 once even a gold 4 (i guess a premade) so it's rather matchmaking causing these unbalanced games.
The Lasher7 votesHonestly the only thing that is cancer is fucking cancer. I get you're pissed at Dynamic Q being annoying and not friendly to solo players but referring to it as cancer is ridiculous and offensive. If you want someone to take your complaint seriously; take some bloody effort and make an at length post as to why you feel it is terrible oppose to this half ass whiner approach to it. /end rant
spombjop6 votesPremades usualy have support ready for them.
U probably played with duos that are playing jungle/mid.
Cancer solo players are the ones who never support thats why queue times are so long.
AsianProdigy10 votesPremades usualy have support ready for them.
U probably played with duos that are playing jungle/mid.
Cancer solo players are the ones who never support thats why queue times are so long.
Que times are long because of this cancer system we call Dynamic que
Joman7677 votesYou are both wrong. The new champ select forces longer queue times due to role selection.
Hawkefire6 votesYou are in part correct, however dynamic que also causes longer que times due to the combined effects of role selection and there being multiple people queuing up together, this adding even more variables to the already complex matchmaking algorithms.
Joman7672 votesMultiple people queuing up together doesn't slow down matchmaking. It actually speeds it up quite a bit. This is because it forces people to pick at least 3 roles for a duo or up to 5 roles for a 4 man, forcing people to take the off roles and 5 mans mean that it only has to create one team. Dynamic queue, I hate to say, actually speeds up matchmaking.
The role selection in general, however, slows it down too much for dynamic queue to fix. I'll try to explain it with completely made up numbers. Let's say of every 10 people who queue up, 3 want mid, 2 want top, 2 want jungle, 2 want adc, and 1 wants support. Completely made up the numbers. Now what the system did before if find the first 10 players to queue up and put them into a game, but now since there's only one support in those first 10 players, it has to wait for the NEXT support to queue up which could take another 10 players, doubling queue times for the first 10. The 9 players from the second set now have to wait for TWO MORE SUPPORTS, which triples their queue time and it goes on and on. The only reason queue times aren't infinitely long is because dynamic queue forces 4 man premades to come with a support, along with 5 man premades, but it's still not enough to keep times under the 5 minute point from my experience and I'm only silver.
Halfway through this reply I was like "holy shit this is why that have to keep dynamic queue". There's an aha moment if I've ever had one but anyways if I was unclear or you have any questions ask away.
Ratbert1 votesWell it does because it means that instead of matching any five with any other five, the system tries to have the same "building blocks" on each team.
Pretty sure 4 man premades aren't forced to take support if they have enough overlap. Also, if that support wasn't going to be in the premade, he'd still be available to play, so all the premade did was put him in one block with 3 others.
LatetotheRace5 votesDynamic queue brought even more little whiney brats to plat. It's disgusting.
GhostInTheShell4 votesplat is virtually unwinnable as a solo support.
http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=IgNar
KR Masters games are winnable as a solo support. Premades are almost always matched against premades. You assume that you get the toxic players while the enemy team is comprised of angels.
It's not the system, it's you.
Have a Nice Game1 votesWait. People are getting boosted to Masters in Korea? /sarcasm
Dominick Destine4 votesYep, I got to Diamond in every season through skill alone.
This one I have found it excessively more difficult because of the bullshit system we're being put through (DQ). Still, I will achieve Diamond again... but I am not enjoying it at all. It is garbage. Solo queue, bring it back Riot.... I'd have left by now if I had a better computer and could run Overwatch more smoothly.
Have a Nice Game2 votesI've literally abandoned my ranked accounts in favor of making one or two new accounts for season 7. Although thats mostly because I can't play Malz proficiently anymore Failure to adapt and all that.
I just hope solo q or a better alternative is back by then.
Arthimetes4 votesIt's worse than not addressing the obvious problem, Riot knows it's broken but still blatantly shoves it down our throats.
fisox3 votesWhy riot match making cant see if your solo or premade to match you with same kind of players? riot says it wants to "connect you with friends" fuck that what if i dont have friends and want to find some BUT cant cuz every one is premade 24/4
Mister Support3 votesAnother plat support main here xD Dropped from plat 1 promos to diamond, to plat 4 now. But funny enough my main problem hasn't been the premades (since I usually get one on my team of equal size....usually), my problem is that plat is full of so many boosted players this season that damn near every game is a shit stomp since 1-2 players will be boosted animals. And I've just been unlucky to have them on my team. If you don't believe me, check ranked match history, you'll see 1/9 Tristana's 1/11 karma tops, typical feeding yasuo tops, 1/12 ryze mid, 1/8 Quinn jungle. And so on.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesWell, i know what i wrote in my comment on the top (which was more to mock you a bit, hope u don't feel too offended like the other pussies here) but i understand u. I dropped too from plat 1 to plat 3 back into plat 1 and back to plat 2. It's just so annoying especially when you know there are decent teammates in this elo. But i had a game as azir i was 1/0 in lane, everything went fine. Except our bot premade. Together they died 13 times in 16 minutes. We had kha, ire, zyra, mf and me. In our first teamfight i nearly penta'd them all, sadly my barrier cd wore of 2 seconds too late. We still had the mid-lategame with our comp. Nope, boosted bot premade and jungler immediately cried and surrendered at 20:40. Such a shame to lose lp because of these people.
Blanchimont1 votes[{quoted}](name=MadCast Fenris,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zseOV6hr,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2016-07-03T18:35:55.058+0000)
Another plat support main here xD Dropped from plat 1 promos to diamond, to plat 4 now. But funny enough my main problem hasn't been the premades (since I usually get one on my team of equal size....usually), my problem is that plat is full of so many boosted players this season that damn near every game is a shit stomp since 1-2 players will be boosted animals. And I've just been unlucky to have them on my team. If you don't believe me, check ranked match history, you'll see 1/9 Tristana's 1/11 karma tops, typical feeding yasuo tops, 1/12 ryze mid, 1/8 Quinn jungle. And so on.
The stomping has more to do with the increased death timers. You are more heavily punished and it makes it slightly easier to close out games. The problem is that a lot of players don't realize when they are behind and continue to feed. Dynamic Queue can contribute to the problem by making worse match ups and making it easier for someone to carry by simply farming their lane opponent.
Miss Luxanna3 votesI don't wanna be that person but why describe it as cancer?
Austin Covello1 votesBecause it's harmful (possibly fatal, given Overwatch's booming popularity) to the "body" of League as a whole, yet produced by the body. It's a good analogy, actually.
Leetri1 votesI like that people bring up Overwatch all the time, but their ranked mode is even WORSE than League's. There's so many problems with it I'm surprised Blizzard even allowed it to be released.
KnKitsune3 votesFeel sorry about those players who work hard for Plat.
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesYeah i'd like to swap with many of those DynQ defenders so they know how it feels. Tilted, boosted diamond 5s holding you back from finally ranking into dia. Premades completely stomping you like you were some bronze shitter. The constant camps on your lane. Or solo players who can't even CS properly and u wonder why, then u look up their profile and their last 40 games were played with premades. Last season they sat in silver and now in plat 2. Seems legit.
Korellen4 votesThe problem is that Dynamic Q has become a catch all excuse for having issues climbing ranked. It is similar to the concepts of Elo hell, or the "my teammates are holding me back" mentality. The problem you're having is not external. You are consistently playing Azir, a champion with a 45% win rate in plat, and then blaming your team for your inability to preform at a passable level.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesConsistently, oh boy i have 20 games on him. That's nothing tbh. That's enough to learn the basics. I know i'm not that good on Azir, but i'm getting better. I can't play Zed, i'm bored after 3 seasons of playing LB. Diana isn't that viable anymore in mid. Lux is rather meh. So i had to find another champ which i can play into nearly every other match up. That's azir. Good that u know how i perform in a game since u spectated all my latest games so far. If you would just look at the stats my cs is higher, my dmg, my warding. All things i have influence on i perform better than any other on my team in most of my games. Don't know if you are a solo laner, if yes, don't worry my level is good enough against you. Oh and btw i just looked it up. In my last 11games i played 4 times azir "consistently playing azir". Yeah right. If you try to argue against me do it right and don't cherry pick and state it like a fact and make it look like i played azir 20 times in a row and only played like shit.
FortisDominus3 votesI feel this as a top laner as well. Its not enough to win my lane in plat, I have to teleport bot lane and win their lane as well. It astound me how some of these people got to plat with 0 map awareness. The whole bot side of the map could be lit up like a fucking Christmas tree and they will still die to ganks <.<
This is not ALL plat players, because last season I didnt have this problem in plat. I wonder why?
GULAG 4 U3 votesDynamic Q allowed boosted animals to infiltrate and stain plat.
Penta Penguin2 votesI would say teens describing their first-world problems as 'cancer' is more annoying and cringeworthy
Austin Covello2 votesOh, sit the fuck down. It's called a METAPHOR. Take your keyboard warrior BS someplace else. Or go live in Ethiopia so you don't have to deal with anyone bitching about their "first world problems." Since you care so much.
Gulma2 votesagreed. I was playing ranked as support but going nowhere. premades are just so damn common. very difficult for two solo players to beat a duo. I got to plat for the first time this season but didn't feel like I accomplished anything.
even worse that premades are in other game modes like hexakill (6 man voice chat premade)
TNHA Baritone1 votesBro, me and you are one and the same, except after like 600 games of doing that shit, I said, "Lemme duo with this guy who can play XXXX"
I never queue up with any more than a duo, because I dislike being in large groups. So yeah...I just duo with a friend who I like, but that doesn't make winning easier if you both get camped by their premade.
PeelDpotato1 votesif any of you want to join in on the bonobofest send me a fr.
Meriipu1 votesplat is virtually unwinnable as a solo support.
Then maybe you do not, or just barely, belong in plat
Stop blaming your team (and more recently the other team (what?)) for losing
Sure your team can make you lose a few games
but in the long run it is all your fault
Seenan1 votesThen maybe you do not, or just barely, belong in plat
Stop blaming your team (and more recently the other team (what?)) for losing
Sure your team can make you lose a few games
but in the long run it is all your fault
Not if you have a >50% winrate. By a winrate greater than 50%, he'll eventually start rising, unless he just sucks enough to get to pre 50%.
Meriipu2 votesNot if you have a >50% winrate. By a winrate greater than 50%, he'll eventually start rising, unless he just sucks enough to get to pre 50%.
I am assuming that mmr gains follows a similar model to that of population growth which means that when you reach the capacity of yourself, in much similarity to a population reaching its limit, the point at which you stop winning with your (most likely already decaying winrate) will hit fast and hard.
It is not your winrate that matters, it is your winrate in the last portion of your games because your winrate across all games includes games where you were (I assume) in a lower ELO
you have to measure it across enough games to remove a lot of the random variation, but not too many games that you include games from below your ELO
if you won almost all your games (say 50 or 100 games) but reached your mmr level, you are probably not going to keep climbing despite having a 60-70% winrate reality will hit fast and hard
Leetri1 votesDepends on the MMR calculation. In Overwatch currently you could have a 70% winrate and still drop ranks. When you win you can get ~1/15th of a rank (if someone leaves for example), but when you lose you can lose an entire rank. That means in the worst case you need to win 15 games to make up for a single loss.
Zonkman1 votesIm a leo
System Crash1 votesWell i will just left my answer here as solo supp in plat. Its not Dynamic Q that make u lose and not Teammates make u lose its RIOT making u lose by making supports unable to carry games by themselfs. 2 games of my life today every flash-hook 100% land and my ADC was feeded like seju pig 1 game easy win 1 game easy lose becouse one team could use things i provided one team cant. Thats it, DONT PLAY SUPPORT IF U WANT CLIMB. Done.
Fricasee Lemons1 votesI would rather have longer queue times than play some of the unbalanced games I've had to deal with this season. I queue up solo and usually don't bother to see who the premades are, but the last game I played in bot lane we got 4 man ganked at 3 minutes. Even after resetting the lane to neutral, their jungler relentlessly camped and pressured us for the first 10 minutes. This is not something that happens when you face solo players. I checked the players from the game and lo and behold, their bot and jungle were in a 3 man premade. My team was composed of myself and 4 other solo players.
I don't encounter games like these very frequently. I was actually indifferent toward dynamic queue for most of the season. These stacked games are starting turn me against dynamic queue. Solo players shouldn't be forced by matchmaking into such an uneven playing field just to cut down on queue times.
I don't blame dynamic queue for stopping my climb or losing me games. I can always recall personal mistakes I made in all of my lost games. Most of my games are still lost by lack of map awareness/feeding lanes. I do blame dynamic queue for stacking the odds in games like the the 3/1/1 vs 1/1/1/1/1 I just played. Having these wild card games thrown into the mix just feels profoundly unfair for the disadvantaged team. I wouldn't complain if there was a trio or even a duo on my team. However, for the sake of queue times it seems Riot has decided to throw fairness out the window.
seraph1m1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fricasee Lemons,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zseOV6hr,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2016-07-04T16:05:42.642+0000)
I would rather have longer queue times than play some of the unbalanced games I've had to deal with this season. I queue up solo and usually don't bother to see who the premades are, but the last game I played in bot lane we got 4 man ganked at 3 minutes. Even after resetting the lane to neutral, their jungler relentlessly camped and pressured us for the first 10 minutes. This is not something that happens when you face solo players. I checked the players from the game and lo and behold, their bot and jungle were in a 3 man premade. My team was composed of myself and 4 other solo players.
I don't encounter games like these very frequently. I was actually indifferent toward dynamic queue for most of the season. These stacked games are starting turn me against dynamic queue. Solo players shouldn't be forced by matchmaking into such an uneven playing field just to cut down on queue times.
I don't blame dynamic queue for stopping my climb or losing me games. I can always recall personal mistakes I made in all of my lost games. Most of my games are still lost by lack of map awareness/feeding lanes. I do blame dynamic queue for stacking the odds in games like the the 3/1/1 vs 1/1/1/1/1 I just played. Having these wild card games thrown into the mix just feels profoundly unfair for the disadvantaged team. I wouldn't complain if there was a trio or even a duo on my team. However, for the sake of queue times it seems Riot has decided to throw fairness out the window.
dont give riot any money thats all they care about
