Can We Subtitle Patch 9.23 The Yasuo and Pyke Patch?

nguforever··1 votes·1,356 views

First I'd like to start off with a quote from Riot:

“Individual items grant fewer stats but now feature a one- and two-piece bonus which preserves the power spikes of assassins’ first big purchases,” Riot said. “Since this set bonus stops at two, assassins should generally branch into raw-AD items like Guardian Angel or Black Cleaver after their two-item spike. Full Lethality sould still feel like a strong option against exceptionally squishy comps, though.”

The generally part made me kind of laugh because when I realized that this might be the case for MOST assassins. But the one assassin I was thinking about has not only his ultimate scale with lethality, but his E stun. The fact that Pyke will be making more gold with the new support items and gain AD from the new support items while not needing to upgrade his support item with that gold mean he can buy more stuff. And if he can buy more stuff, that means he can literally build lethality and keep ulting his enemies to rake in all the coins he needs to go full lethality Pyke. I think I did the math right, and if Pyke gets all 5 of the new lethality items (which would be harder for support Pyke but maybe doable for solo lane Pyke), his ult threshold would be at about 900+ hp while he could deal about 300+ damage per auto flatly to any enemy with less than 84 armor. He would gain lifesteal, 30% cdr, and an attack speed steroid that would activate when he 1v1's enemies. Once again, feel free to correct me but the support changes and assassin item changes seem to benefit both roles to be sure, but it culminates in a direct buff to Pyke as he can continue to build lethality.

As for Yasuo, it seems that every crit item in the game can now be made with Cloak of Agility. This is further compounded upon by the fact that they are buffing cloak so that it gives +25% crit. For botlane, this means that when Yasuo and the enemy adc make 1600g, they can both buy two cloaks. Yasuo, though his crits deal less damage, now has 100% crit chance while his enemy has only 50%. The only other champion that would be able to do this is Tryndamere for top lane and maybe Senna. But the reason I picked Yasuo was that with the new drake and Conqueror changes, his ability to ignore armor seems to be better than Senna or Tryndamere getting 100% crit earlier.

These are just some opinions. Any thoughts?

15 Comments

Ragnaveil2 votes

First off, the set thing for lethality was scrapped. Second, Cloak is pretty expensive vs brawler glove, and no Yasuo is gonna sink 1600 into two cloaks just to get 100% crit chance. It doesnt give attack speed, meaning his Q would be still sitting at a roughly 3.5 second cooldown, meaning his trades would absolutely be piss poor.

nguforever1 votes

First, thank you!

I really tried to look for the information but hadn't seen that the set idea was scrapped. Also, thank you for catching that about Yasuo; I didn't prioritize his attack speed over his crit chance so thank you!

I still think Pyke's win rate is going to go up as a result of these changes, but we'll see.

Saezio1 votes

Yasuo is one of the few champs that wants to make zerkers asap, so his first 1100 g usually go there

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

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Yasuo is one of the few champs that wants to make zerkers asap, so his first 1100 g usually go there

I mean unless he backs with enough for a BF sword

Saezio2 votes

Nah. Boots+Shiv and then you go for b.f.

Movespeed and attack speed is his core.

None buys bf before completing boots. Most don't even buy BF before at least boots+zeal

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

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Nah. Boots+Shiv and then you go for b.f.

Movespeed and attack speed is his core.

None buys bf before completing boots. Most don't even buy BF before at least boots+zeal

i mean the thing u showed also had yasuos running hail of blades..... soooooooooooooo

Kazekiba1 votes

HoB is bugged that's why. they're abusing the bug to cap Qs CDR asap.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Idk if thats really a bug. His Q counts as an auto attack reset im pretty sure.

Saezio2 votes

What does that have to do with anything?

Saezio2 votes

Pyke support absolutely adored relic shield imo. Some tiny amount of AD won't make up for the health he could give himself and his adc.

nguforever1 votes

I mean, couldn't he still use shoulderguards? I know that would be a sacrifice for ad, but maybe for the heals? Or does that item not heal?

Ragnaveil1 votes

No, the relic heal proc is gone. It only gives minion kill gold on proc and that is it. Tank supports about to eat dicks this preseason.

nguforever1 votes

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP

Ok new plan: Ornn support with aftershock and only building health with the extra gold I get from the item passive. That way I can still "heal" myself in lane XD

boricCentaur11 votes

Fun fact pyke's main keystone is getting nerfed pretty fucking hard. Also the new lethality items sucks for support pyke like it doesn't do anything for him then.

More damage and more gold will not make up for the heavy nerfs of his keystone since he actually doesn't need more damage or gold.

But that this does do for pyke is make him more bs.

nguforever1 votes

Thanks for your response! I do have a question:

What about umbral glaive? It's cheaper and has the same passive as duskblade.

I agree on the nerf for the keystone, maybe he'll finally switch over to electrocute like Bard.

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