I like Juggernauts because they are tanky, not because I can instantly nuke people

juggernauts specifically are supposed to do this by design though. I think what you mean is why people like maokai can do this, and its not exactly OK.

Then play a tank and not a juggernaut

Tbh, I think high DPS (if in range) is okay on Juggernauts, Darius is a good example of this.

But what I think the problem is, is juggernaut burst: Illaoi E>W>R>Q deleting people in a bit over a second (while healing her, lol, balanced), Cho (would argue cho is too immobile to be called a tank rather than a jugg) Ult 1k true damage burst, Nasus when he ults (I count the Q spam as burst).

Though of the examples I think Illaoi is the most blatant, Ive seen an illaoi (not even super fed) get jumped by 4 people and within seconds burst 2 of them down before she died and IMO that is excessive considering how tanky she gets and how much sustain she has built into her kit.

Nothing feels tanky right now.

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Please give defense buffs instead of offense buffs for tanky champs.

Damage in the game needs to be lowered overall. Their was still a dire need for a bruiser keystone.

As a juggernaut main, i agree. Lets take Darius for example, the recent buffs are great! However i wished it was more of stat adjustment. Like more starting armor/mr, maybe higher scaling health etc. Id take that first then look into damage buffs. Thats just me though.

As a jugg, you trade in some CC and what limited mobility you have as a tank for some extra killing power. You can't protect your allies well anymore but if you are fed, no one on the enemy team wants to see you at the frontline or inside their team, cuz it will turn into a dunkapocalypse.

But that's the point of juggernauts. Sounds like you wanna play a tank, why not pick sion? He's pretty much the juggernauty tank there is.

Well I don't?

They're tanky carries, not meatbags like mundo and voli

I like Juggernauts because of the sense of hopelessness they give your opponent when fighting them after you already secured a lead. Illaoi is a little different because the moment they reach the height of their despair (Illaoi pressed r with you and your soul) they die so you get left feeling a little hollow, but the feeling was definitely intense while it was there but now all you can do is wait for them to respawn.

A "true" Juggernaut has very high health, medium-high to high damage, often lack resistances and have very little mobility, conditional and counterplayable sustain, and are highly susceptible to crowd control and kiting.

Many Juggernauts effectively act as counterengage on anyone who gets to close to their carries or punish people who are severely out of position -- "Don't get in our no-no circles.", but because they tend to have lower resistances, they can be caught out and eliminated fairly quickly.

Juggernauts as a class have been struggling since preseason and are only really having success in abuse cases like Illaoi and Klepto (Mandatory note because of my name: I refuse to Klepto because it was blatantly unfair.) or when played by people with a very high number of games on these champions. Juggernauts are being out-dueled by pure tanks. The de-facto anti-tank Juggernaut Darius was getting his teeth kicked in by full-tank Maokais. That's what these changes are about. The strength of tank runes and itemization (which not all Juggernauts themselves can use effectively, if at all), and the strength of the support role and itemization, combined with everyone doing dumb levels of damage has worn away on this class. I don't think buffing the Juggernauts was the right way to do it, I think the other roles needed to be adjusted.

You have the best defensive buff in the game right now, aftershock.

Just stop.

Bone Plate is going to be pretty great :)

Edit: Also, I finally made that post we talked about before.