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I miss Tanking

GigglesO··138 votes·21,419 views

After playing 3 weeks of basically only tanks and my main (Morde) in nexus blitz I have to say.

Dear lord do I miss tanks.

I miss being this less stoppable force of sheer bulk. I miss being able to walk up to enemies without instantly killing them or instantly dying. I miss getting ignored in team fights because I accidentally invested too much into defense so now the enemy sees me as something they can partially ignore. I miss having the ability to prolong fights because I can block skill shots for my team. I miss having that feeling of being something other than a cc whore. I miss where defense had value and you could and did pick it up on squishes. I miss the time when it didn't feel like I had to 100% nuke someone from full to attempt a trade. I miss not having to hit every single ability in .5 seconds or lose the fight.

As much as I hated season 7's high damage I would take that back in an instant over how much higher its gotten.

TLDR: Just downvote me for stating things that I miss about tanks thats fine. I get it that we don't want a tank meta where tanks just automatically out damage you and win fights by existing. However, I also just hate having everyone be an assassin.

102 Comments

hallajuice38 votes

i have to agree with the OP damage should be toned down and tank sustain should be increased.

HeyyItsAcarrot6 votes

alot of champions straightup one shot tanks. Except for nasus, he can tank and one shot you. I am missing the option of playing front to back. all tanks but ornn and maokai suck, but carries are the rage, with loads of balance issues! also BUFF TP

GigglesO1 votes

Lol "Except ornn" His 43% winrate disagrees.

Müffîñ1 votes

that with the new patch buffs? also if that is, a lot of people will be playing more just because of them.

GigglesO3 votes

That is with the new patch buffs. There are only two days of data though, so it might be a bit for people to relearn him. However at the same time tanks are "easy" according to all the damage mains sooooo there is really no reason that he should be a low win rate.

ZeroBlink1 votes

{quoted}

i have to agree with the OP damage should be toned down and tank sustain should be increased.

riiight I remember Tanks soloing whole teams, because you just could not kill them. Lower the damage tanks will naturally come back , leave the sustain out of it.

GigglesO3 votes

Except that was 1-3 tanks in the class. Instead of needing those champions they hit the whole class and itemization for everyone including non-tanks.

Alzon20 votes

Just add item 4402 and item 3005 to the Rift and we’re good, tbh. Maybe item 4401.

Anatera13 votes

Everyone misses tanking. The only people who don't are assassins (so they can live out their power fantasy) and people who don't play the game, ie. the developers.

OrangeMarine7 votes

i play mainly assassins when I mid and I still miss tankier times even as an assassin. I had a clear job of (usually) killing the adc (unless another carry was way more fed), and even if i died, it was worth it for the trade. Even if tanks and bruisers were basically off limits as an assassin, that was more engaging gameplay, even if more limited.

It felt like more of a mission and accomplishment sneaking into the backline while the enemy team knows my intentions so tries desperately to stop my assassination.

now half the fuckin "fighters" have assassin level burst. So fighters and assassins just mindlessly all-in basically anything besides a fed tank and can get a kill. GJ fights over

GelsominoKiller4 votes

{quoted}

Everyone misses tanking. The only people who don't are assassins (so they can live out their power fantasy) and people who don't play the game, ie. the developers.

You know what... Assassins aren't even the ones that benefit the most from this damage meta.

An assassin's kit is used to be specifically designed for their ability to 100-0. So they may have "limitations" in terms of what they can do, their power budget, their target access.

Many champions instead weren't designed with the idea that they could 100-0 someone in one rotation. And when external sources of damage stack and give them that possibility, the game breaks.

GelsominoKiller12 votes

To be honest S7 wasn't "tanking". You didn't actually soak damage, just run at them, apply your CC and wait for the hypercarries to burst people.

Trashiest metagame ever. Such a shameful failure by the balance team

"We ain't gonna touch aRDeNt CeNSoR because it could DiSruPt wOrlDs prOpLaY"

GigglesO13 votes

Oh no it wasn’t truly tanking, but I still miss it compared to the newer seasons. I could still justify picking up a defense item and not getting one shot.

Now I build the same tank item as S7 and I’m like where did my hp go? Did buying that defense item do anything?

Ferrinova4 votes

They are giving rewards to us for watching pro play, how desperate are they now? haha

also people at pro play should quit and realize how bad this games direction is going.

Seleena8 votes

It's not just tanks dying quick, it's every champions. I miss surviving for more than 0.09 seconds.

Ηuawei6 votes

I miss playing Leona and being ignored by the whole enemy team cause of my tankiness and dying last cause i could soak so many hits and feel like a badass tank, walking around harassing carries and stunning them, then dying last.

Right now instead of dying last i die first, usually its "I have enough tankiness to initiate and land a stun then i blow up like a tomato and die instantly"

Foxynth6 votes

Hopefully then, with the release of a superfast exciting game mode like Nexus Blitz they'll tone down the damage on Summoner's Rift. One can only hope, though. [sg-lulu]

SuffocateMeDaddy5 votes

top laners agree that they dont miss having entire top lane roster slashed to 30% of its current size because of some masochistic fucks who cant play anything but tanks. Ty.

TheObeseSexyMule32 votes

So tank mains aren't top laners?[sg-lux-2]

Famix20 votes

Even then, a lot of bruisers counter tanks so I really dont see this guys point

GigglesO26 votes

You think playing against a tank is boring. Try not being able to even walk up to your minions because the opponent can 100-0 you at level 3.

I'd take farming against a tank 100% of the time compared to afking under tower because if I leave I die.

And no tank does not mean deal ass loads of damage like riot thinks they should.

It should be: Tanks:

  1. High Durability
  2. High CC
  3. Medium-low Utility
  4. Low damage

Juggernauts:

  1. Medium-High Durability
  2. Low-no CC
  3. Medium-Low Utility
  4. High Damage

Bruisers/Fighters -AKA Jack of all Master of none:

  1. Medium Durability
  2. Medium CC
  3. Medium Utility
  4. Medium Damage

Right now you have tanks and juggernauts that are the same or Less Durable than fighters. You also have fighters that deal more damage than juggernauts even though Juggernauts trade cc and utility for damage.

Whats the trade off of picking jax? You get the same durability as a Tank because of Counter Strike/Grand Masters Might You get the same Damage as a Juggernaut because he has good bases.

If I was buying a car why would I ever buy the shitty car (besides price)?

Ferrinova2 votes

This is like, the fcking thing riot SHOULD have done. Why does riot not think of this? This community would do better at balancing things out and making things work like they should than riot.

GIVE US THE POWER RIOT

GigglesO2 votes

We need a vote system so atleast if it gets fucked up we can say "well majority thought it was a good idea so we tried it".

SSW Talon2 votes

And assassins top (As Talon, Akali, Zed and Kassadin are viable top.) 1: Low Durability 2: Low-Medium CC 3: Medium Utility 4: Very High Damage

GigglesO2 votes

Personal Opinion they need very low durability or low utility to balance out that very high damage.

As it is you just watch them play the game while you stand there seeing them RWQ dash away with E in .5 seconds then wait on their delayed damage. Sure you might live 1-2 seconds longer against it because of delayed damage but if you don’t have zhonyas you die.

SSW Talon1 votes

They're currently risky enough to have such a high reward imo considered I die to Camille and Jax etc as quickly as I die to an assassin.

GigglesO1 votes

Yea I also think that those guys may as well be assassins because they deal too much damage too quickly.

iDarkWind1 votes

Lol. Only Akali out of those is actually viable, and Talon cause he can still impact other lanes because of his roam potencial. Any other assassin sucks ass on top lane, and it's a fact.

SSW Talon1 votes

Talon is pretty potent in top lane in the right matchup, so is Zed. It's because they're very good splitpushers. I dunno about Kassadin after the nerf happening to him next patch though lol.

iDarkWind1 votes

In right matchup everything is strong against everything in every role, LOL

Foxynth2 votes

To be totally fair, the main reason why tanks are often played to begin with, or at least were further back was because tanks were the most conducive to winning the game. That's usually why if the toplaner wanted to play a bruiser or off-meta assassin or something, the jungler/midlaner (in some cases) or the support would pick a tank to even things out.

GigglesO3 votes

It used to be harder to start a fight without a damage soaking initiator.

Now you just dash at them with any mobile champion and blow them up before they get a reaction.

o Recovery o3 votes

That's the game right now. Any fight you don't start, you lose. And it looks like they're going to keep piling damage on everyone - including champions previously seen as tanks and bruisers. Buddy told me who's been playing longer they're going to wide-sweep nerf everyone but this has been going for almost a year now, I'm not seeing an end in sight. If you HAVE a tank, it's a tossup, but it seems Riot's making the coin flip more favorable for everyone, just give everyone damage, don't let 'tanks' feel left out.

Dasdi965 votes

The tankiest I have ever felt is when I was playing Annie with item 3027 item 3151 item 3191 and had my e active. Whenever I play a "tank" and build full tank, I only feel just as tanky but deal significantly less damage, so when my cc runs out, I just blow up because the enemy has 2 conqueror users.

Lil Homie busta4 votes

That's how, and I'm sure of that, the whole community feels like. Damage is too high to enjoy the game, even to play some classes. Juggernauts feels shit, Tanks feels shit, ADC's feel shit. The only ones that can have any hope of enjoying this one-shot fiesta are the Lee Sin mains and Conqueror mains.

You lost all will to play when you get kill by a simple rotation at level 3; or when you die in less than 3 seconds before being able to counter-attack despite building full tank;

Metal Janna3 votes

Pick support? Leona is still quite tanky.

GigglesO8 votes

So I'm supposed to play only Leona/Alistar every single game?

Taric who has one of the most busted pos ulties in the game doesn't even get played because you can't react to your teammate taking damage. You have to preemptively press it to stop them from dying.

Marshbouy3 votes

the whole point of his ult is that you have to preemptively press it wth. if he could press it whenever to immediately save someone's life, that would be fucking stupid.

GigglesO6 votes

Yea, But it should be preemptively pushing it because the enemy started their dash animation. Not preemptively push it because you think the enemy might want to fight.

Teammate dies through shield+Heal before ulti or stun lands because the enemy killed your teammate in .5 seconds.

Metal Janna3 votes

{quoted}

So I'm supposed to play only Leona/Alistar every single game?

Taric who has one of the most busted pos ulties in the game doesn't even get played because you can't react to your teammate taking damage. You have to preemptively press it to stop them from dying.

Ain't that a fact. Damage is so high in this meta... I'm just giving you your options here. There are a couple good tank supports who can carry with their CC if you do well in lane.

The Hörror King3 votes

the fact that Veigar is the most powerful Tank build-Support in game really makes me laugh :D

Veigar

item 3194 item 3075 item 3107 item 3309 item 3158 item 3089 =Immortal if played right

Kaisha3 votes

RIOT: So what we're hearing is you guys want more %hp true damage?

Thaakillah3 votes

Totally agree with you, damage needs to be nerfed. and a lot of it.

Thaakillah3 votes

This no tank meta makes Shen even more useless than he already is.

AS I LAY FEEDING2 votes

I like the part where the enemy team fp ornn and i picked klepto lucian. It feelsgood to get some free cash from a tank.

Excellent Era2 votes

revert zac Zac

Karfuss2 votes

Buff resistances, and nerf the ever living shit out of bruiser items.

The lack of value defensive stats give to fully fledged tanks is why tanks are bad, but being outclassed in every single way by Fighters prevents them going top lane at all.

As it stands, Black Cleaver is too good, and paired with someone like Garen or Renekton they can make EVERYONE ignore 40% of your total armor. And you know they're still getting a Steraks, or a Trinity Force, or a Deadmans. They get ALL the perks of being a tank, with ALL the tools to pummel them into the ground. Tanks cannot, and will never, be able to compete with Fighter itemisation.

wrong way down2 votes

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Brutalistica2 votes

Showing my support to this thread because I am too a fan of tanks and seeing how the damage is. Perhaps they should buff tank items so it can work well with tank champions and the runes that specializes in that field.

Poppy

Sandwhygg2 votes

THEY MISS ME SO MUCH HOLY !

Btw i just feel like almost everyone here. When you play Rammus against 3 ad but still get your life running away sooo fucking fast. Even if you're fed. So yeah Riot should try to do something about this. I do not ask for reducing champs damages, but just to see some items go back in the game and see tank's reduction damages back. Just a little bit, not a lot. I am just looking for some support for tanks from Riot. I mean, what is the interest to integrate tanks in the game if they are useless ?

item 4401 This would be so much better with this back into the game...

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