Solution To Dodging Without Losing LP

Doaenel·Jun 20, 2016·2 votes·495 views

Honestly, there should be something, like with /remake and /surrender, where when you are in champ select you can start a vote to stop the champ select without losing lp, it would be a way to stop losing because of what happens in champ select

ex: ''if we get behind i will feed''

or ''im picking xin zhao adc because i know it works''

Just something to think about, remaking a game with at least 4 player's consent

This would be unavailable to 4 and 5 man premades

7 Comments

archerno1Jun 20, 20162 votes

See first example is fine, your solution would be useful for that. But your second example is reason it will never be implemented. People will abuse it to dodge games because they want to dictate what others should or shouldnt pick. Considering that riot made it on purpose that there is no ADC or MARKSMAN role. Just BOTTOM. So people can freely pick anything there. People would spam your "remake" if someone picks off meta picks like Yasuo support onto Kalista ADC. Or Leona+ Volibear bot.

Friendly RamJun 20, 20161 votes

Yeah but since the other 4 need to agree i think it would be fair.

archerno1Jun 20, 20161 votes

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Yeah but since the other 4 need to agree i think it would be fair.

There are countless scenarios where 4 people can gang up to abuse this system:

-Champion select, TOP player is last pick. Mid chooses Ziggs. Support chooses Soraka. ADC chooses Lucian. Jungler chooses Shaco. Its top laners turn to pick. Team tells him : Pick tank. Guy doesnt know how to play or doesnt want to play tank. Pick Teemo/Quinn/Vayne... Other 4 decide to abuse system and to remake.

-Champion select. Mid laner picks Yasuo. One of players checks lolking profiles of his teammates. He notices that mid laner never played Yasuo before or he has bad stats with him. He pressures team to remake because "yasuo will make them lose"

I probably can think of more ways to abuse it if u want.

YJRBqwXJcSJun 20, 20161 votes

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See first example is fine, your solution would be useful for that. But your second example is reason it will never be implemented. People will abuse it to dodge games because they want to dictate what others should or shouldnt pick. Considering that riot made it on purpose that there is no ADC or MARKSMAN role. Just BOTTOM. So people can freely pick anything there. People would spam your "remake" if someone picks off meta picks like Yasuo support onto Kalista ADC. Or Leona+ Volibear bot.

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Defending xin zhao adc

Da3awssJun 20, 20161 votes

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Defending xin zhao adc

He is simply saying, in DQ you dont pick ADC or Marksman, you pick Bottom. Futhermore, ADC stands for Attack Damage Carry, basically any AD champion can become an adc, if they carry the AD damage.

Da3awssJun 20, 20161 votes

A decent idea that will never happen. As Archer stated, it would be abused easily. Not only that, the way dynamic queue is made makes it impossible to implement to be useful to solo/groups of 2 players. if you are a solo in a 3-4 man group, chances are if you initiate or is initiated by someone who wasnt in the made group, they wont agree to remake.

I have seen several ideas floating around that are pretty good. The one i most like is a charge system of sorts. After a certain amount of ranked games, you get a charge that allows you to dodge the queue without any penalty. This idea is the probably one of the best. It wouldnt be easily abused, and would be used wisely because it would be limited and only achieved through your work.

67chromeJun 20, 20161 votes

Honestly, there should be something, like with /remake and /surrender, where when you are in champ select you can start a vote to stop the champ select without losing lp, it would be a way to stop losing because of what happens in champ select

A vote would also allow a 3 or 4-man pre-made to gang up and bully 1 person though.

While that's not the worst when it comes to something really off-meta like Xin'Zhao ADC, I don't have enough faith in the community to expect them from refraining holding dodge votes to forcing Lucian ADC over a MF ADC on a regular bases.

Also: LoL itself allows any player to go to any lane with any mastery settup with any rune settup, and you can rank up skills in any order, purchase pretty much any item on any champion and build items in any order.

While something like Xin'Zhao ADC isn't optimal within the meta, giving the community tools to cement the meta really restricts the freedom of everyone at the end of the day. Even if 9/10 players fallow the meta exactly, it's fairly claustrophobic and constricting if you feel like you're constantly scrapping the edges of what you're allowed to do rather than having some breathing room.

Solution To Dodging Without Losing LP

As an aside: it's also worth noting there's 9 players in each game rather than just you.

If you feel like dodging 1/20 games is acceptable, it's quite likely all other 9 players feel dodging 1/20 games is acceptable: in which case 1/2 games can wind up being dodged. Which is pretty annoying in ARAM as-is, and the picks/bans time for that is pretty brief.

Picks/Bans in Ranked can take up to 8 minutes: which can mean 10 minutes in picks/bans for everyone between each ranked game if 1/2 games don't make it through picks/bans.

Ultimately: Queue-dodging is much worse than it initially appears. Up to 10 times worse within perfectly randomized conditions, and at least twice as bad as it initially appears due to the opposing team being shafted every time.