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Katarina needs Nerfs

Skycrowx·2/2/2018, 12:22:39 AM·14 votes·1,537 views

Katarinas level 1 Hp is the highest of any Midlaner (600!). (i didn't see any mage,assassin that had more Hp then her) She has much more all in threat early game compared to a zed/talon, which are melee just like her, and they both have LESS health than her, but more than mages (which is understandable because they are Melee). However with Katarina it's not understandable. It's just not. Because as i said, she is much more Powerful than a zed or a Talon, she starts to be a threat already at Level 2. And She can all in you any time she wants. Even if you outplay her, and you dodge both of her passive Procs, she is able to escape most Situations and doesn't die or doesn't really get hard outtradet which i honestly think is Wrong. When i look at her kit and the way she currently is played, and the way she get's rewardet she is a hard to play champ, but a High reward Champ. But when does hard to play champ actually stop, because even if she is hard to play, if players that play her, and fuck up with her, are staying unpunished or going even out with their trades, when u land every skill on her, while she doesn't and she simply doesn't die because her base Hp is legit ridiculous, then how can we still look at her and tell to ourself, that she is in a fine State? I don't think that this is fine, and that katarina Players that simply just fail their all in should be punished with dead. Because if they don't fail with their all in they get rewardet with kills right? So why do we not get rewardet the same? (Also the fact that she only needs 1 kill versus you and the Lane is completely over because she snowballs that ridiculous makes it even more obnoxious that she is allowed to have so much early Power. A zed get's sh1t on pre 6 vs any mage, a talon can't really do much either, A kassadin neither. But she can for some reasons Does not make any sense for us mages.

So what would i do? Nerf her Hp to fix the problems. Make her vullnerable to us, if she is the one that missplays while we don't and let us actually punish her really hard for it. reduce base health by 50, so that she has slightly more than mages, but less compared to a Zed or Talon.

8 Comments

ChíckenDaddy2/2/2018, 1:40:35 AM3 votes

Voracity (Passive) - damage on dagger picked up changed from [75-287 based on level] to [65-220 based on level]

This nerf is currently on the pbe.

FurriesAreHot2/2/2018, 5:03:22 AM3 votes

A nerf is on PBE
Katarina has an awful early and, with long delays in her potential damage and how hard it is to farm with her.
Her HP is what keeps her from being useless. She gets boots + 4 potions for a reason. To make farming actually doable, and to not get blown up right when she enters lane. Please don’t just look at raw numbers.

TehNACHO2/2/2018, 1:02:36 AM2 votes

So in fact she is decently strong right now and the Health nerf might actually be a good angle to tackle her strength.

Just going to point out here though that you're falling into the Gameplay meme of listing strengths without weaknesses and very little context. You're doing a really good job giving us a definite answer to a definite problem, it would make this an amazing post if you also make sure the arguments to substantiate these points are themselves substantial.

Śhunpo2/2/2018, 4:41:55 AM2 votes

She's already had this treatment pre-rework. Let me tell you how that went.....it didn't change Kat at all for one tricks, which is what a majority of the Kat population is made up of since she's a niche champion to pick up.

As for players fucking up on her and going unpunished...well....that's because the opposing mid lane is incompetent and doesn't punish properly. E.g. Kat fucks up her Shunpo reset and instead of hitting her with Q Malzahar misses.

Also, you can predict when she Shunpos to her daggers and there IS a cast time on her Shunpo. It's not like there isn't already existing counterplay.

This proposed HP nerf will not change anything.

Daunt2/2/2018, 2:45:26 PM2 votes

She's already pretty vulnerable since she's a squishy melee that's AP. The AP part is important cause unlike Zed or Talon she can't rely on AD early as much since it's a better stat. She's also the only assassin that doesn't have a mechanic such as stealth or untargetability and is really easy to play around and punish.

However with Katarina it's not understandable. It's just not. Because as i said, she is much more Powerful than a zed or a Talon, she starts to be a threat already at Level 2. And She can all in you any time she wants. Even if you outplay her, and you dodge both of her passive Procs, she is able to escape most Situations and doesn't die or doesn't really get hard outtradet which i honestly think is Wrong.

Maybe in bronze dude. She's pretty telegraphed and the only way she can do meaningful damage is by procing her daggers on you. All i'm hearing is that you don't understand how to trade nor space away and make a lot of mistakes which Katarina can easily pick up on.

Do you people ever stop for a second to think : "Huh this champion isn't as good in higher elo nor competitive play as much as in lower elo." She's a champion that punishes your mistakes and poor plays. She's bad if you actually know what you're doing. And by bad i mean, she can be zoned and pushed out of lane pretty easily. I'm mostly just seeing bias as you're probably playing mages that get countered by her.

Onandaga2/2/2018, 4:07:40 AM1 votes

I miss when she was notoriously shit in lane but could A-bomb an entire team late game if she could succeed well enough. Now she has this weird power curve where she always seems to snowball in lane and in mid game fights, only to become suddenly useless once the enemy team gets enough damage to burst her down before she can do any significant damage. All in all she just seems anti-fun all around now and will probably keep getting nerfs in the same vain as Kalista Azir that will only make her viable in masters+ and dogshit everywhere else.