This guy is so trash right now and the main reason isnt the changes to armor pen its the fact that everyone else has dashes stuns shields and a bunch of other bs
this guy only has 500 auto range and his dmg is no where near what it once was also q range and R range nerfs
either give him back his long range poke with his ult or buff his attack range
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesdoes he not have a dash?
can he not build the same items any other adc can build?
3 weeks ago he was the most played adc and every cried how broken the arm pen build was... they change that people havent adapted or learn something new to do and now people cry he is weak
ViiLLAiN1 voteslol nah man he was strong cuz of the armor pen not cuz of crit
crit hasnt been good all season thats the main reason adc have to build 2 zeal items
lucian doesnt benefit off getting 2 zeal items
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votestry a different build im sure a HIGH ELO Player like yourself could figure something out
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthink about it ...40% cdr, 45% crit chance 45% bonus armor pen. + up to 30% armor pen + life steal and 315 ad
DestructoDave1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zUGhMFKG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-08T03:51:48.696+0000)
does he not have a dash?
can he not build the same items any other adc can build?
3 weeks ago he was the most played adc and every cried how broken the arm pen build was... they change that people havent adapted or learn something new to do and now people cry he is weak
He scales worse than other ADCs. He has no range, no poke, no stats, His Q is low range now, his ult is low range now, his Q has poor scalings, his passive scales poorly, everything about him is poor atm. Yes, Arpen was the main culprit behind him being strong. Before that build came about, he was a mid-tier to weak ADC going the crit build you expect him to go now. So, hes now a WORSE version of the mediocre crit ADC he was before the Arpen builds. The Arpen builds led to everything about him getting nerfed, and now that build isn't as good anymore, so hes a FAR weaker crit adc than he was before.
Couple that with supports getting stronger, other ADCs getting stronger, other changes in the game, and hes now just an overall WORSE adc than he was before the Arpen, by a ton. Thats why his win-rate is 45%. And thats a win-rate going crit build, too. Its not like its rocket science when it comes to ADCs. Its not like people aren't building him correctly. He just sucks now.
He is a 500 range ADC with low everything now. Bad scaling, bad ratios, low range, no utility. The only thing he has, is mobility, which many other ADCs match and pay far less for it. Tell me what in his kit justifies such low range?
Has nothing to do with adapting. He got nerfed. A lot. Because of Arpen builds. Now hes terrible with a crit build; a build he was one of the lowest win-rate ADCs with anyways back before the Arpen build. And that pretty much sums up why hes the worst adc in the game now.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthey nerfed his range cuz they (RIOT) stated that him having the range and passive + the safety of the dash offered no counter play.
maybe 500 is to short so what like vayne of 550? they need to make his W scale with ad not ap so its viable to use for damage.
but part of what makes him strong is his passive , which can crit and apply on hit damage...
which is why when he was originally released 
was a recommend item on him
but if you build and dash passive, auto , q , passive auto would apply all 6 stacks of armor pen making it do 30% armor pen and if you add in crit with that when he crits his damage would be higher on the passive and the autos
DestructoDave1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zUGhMFKG,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2016-12-08T05:05:16.197+0000)
they nerfed his range cuz they (RIOT) stated that him having the range and passive + the safety of the dash offered no counter play.
maybe 500 is to short so what like vayne of 550? they need to make his W scale with ad not ap so its viable to use for damage.
but part of what makes him strong is his passive , which can crit and apply on hit damage...
which is why when he was originally released
but if you build
That was like 1.5 years ago when he got the range nerf. A lot has changed since then.
I dunno, I just know that Sivir and Lucian have 500 range. Sivir at least has teamwide utility and bouncing blades to make up for it. What does lucian have nowadays?
It can, but it scales poorly now. It starts low, meaning its pretty worthless early game most of the time and was really only strong when Arpen and fervor was strong. when he was released his passive was something retarded like 80% start or something crazy, so yes, trinity force was the first item. Trinity also had crit. They nerfed his passive scaling way down. He started the game, like all champions, over tuned as hell. His E even removed slows. He suffered a ton of nerfs because of that alone. They finally removed it.
Why worry about 6 stacking black cleaver if you have ER? Just go Last Whisper. You go BC, because he needed CDR. if you go crit, he gets his CDR from crit. BC and Ghostblade were cheap as hell, and still cheap enough that its still a viable build on him with the same winrate as going crit build. He hit his 2 item spike with those 2 items far faster, and Ghostblade had 40% attack speed on it, too, remember? It doesnt anymore. You could even say that BC/Ghostblade is still a stronger 2 item spike on him than ER/RFC, post nerf.
Also, the problem is, he simply doesnt trade that well anymore. His Q is nerfed. His passive is nerfed. I mean when you got busted Fervor nearly full stacking at the start, with all that armor pen and armor shred, of course hes going to trade hard. His ult scaled off the 40% attack speed on ghostblade, too.
He does not trade that well going crit. Hes weak in lane with the crit components. He has no range to poke, his spells dont hit as hard nor does his auto's. Hes only strong at around 3 items going the crit build. By then the game is probably damn near over, and with his poor range he has a hard time bringing it back. Hes not Jinx or Cait getting 3 items, or Twitch, or Vayne, or any hard scaling 3 item ADC. Not to mention just scaling worse to begin with.
Black Cleaver isnt that great by itself. If you were going to do some build like that, Just rush Ghostblade for early power, into ER, into IE. 30% CDR. Ive did this build. It wasn't bad. But hes just a bad champion atm. Nothing is gonna change that. He took a crap ton of nerfs for an OP item build that is no longer OP. Thats where is problem is. Going an even slower scaling one isnt going to fix that.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteshis autos with AD hit just as hard as any other adc with the same amount of ad
so to say his auto dont hit is kinda not true .
and before the last run of lucian that got nerfed the (ghostblade build ) and before his range got nerfed and his e had no cooldown or cost ... he was over powered then. so they nerfed him changing that...
his passive can crit.. his auto can crit...
and when he was the most played adc and abusing the arm pen build (ghost blade) people bitched and bitched how ghostblade and duskblade were op and should be made melee only...
riot changed them and now people bitch again .
DestructoDave1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zUGhMFKG,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-08T05:24:55.528+0000)
his autos with AD hit just as hard as any other adc with the same amount of ad
so to say his auto dont hit is kinda not true .
and before the last run of lucian that got nerfed the (ghostblade build ) and before his range got nerfed and his e had no cooldown or cost ... he was over powered then. so they nerfed him changing that...
his passive can crit.. his auto can crit...
and when he was the most played adc and abusing the arm pen build (ghost blade) people bitched and bitched how ghostblade and duskblade were op and should be made melee only...
riot changed them and now people bitch again .
His passive doesn't early. He also has 500 range. Most of the time hes going to take way more trade damage just trying to do his damage because of his range alone. Back before his Q was nerfed, you basically whittled people down with that before you all-in'd them in the old crit build. Well, now hes back to the old crit build and he can no longer whittle people down first. This wasn't an issue with Ghostblade build. hell, he could dash in with ghost blade do his combo and ult you to death. Not to mention his Q had great scalings before the nerfs, so couple that with OP Arpen, and he was pretty oppressive there is no doubting that. But the build was so strong it didnt matter much, because his All-in was so strong with the build regardless of poking them down.
Yea his passive and auto can crit, but that doesnt make him good. There is a reason he has a 45% win-rate going the crit build and its not because people have forgot how to play the damn champion. I mean you keep trying to punish the champion because of the build. How strong he was going the Arpen build, which doesnt even exist in the same format anymore, has nothing do with the current lucian. Ghostblade is different, arpen is different, etc. So to keep bringing up how strong he was with a build that was way stronger is a moot point. It doesnt matter. He was strong then. He isnt strong going crit now.
I mean if he got some range buffs, yes that alone would boost his win-rate, but I doubt its going to happen. Even when he was like 2nd worst adc going crit build before the Arpen craze, he never got those buffs, so I doubt he will get them now. But maybe he will since his abilities are so low range now compared to then.
People bitch because hes terrible. People who have played the champ a long time have had a lot of ups and downs with him, and hes damn sure down in the dumps now. I know I've put in 550 ranked games on him over the last 2 years.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesmaybe 500 is to short so what like vayne of 550? they need to make his W scale with ad not ap so its viable to use for damage.
i guess you missed me saying that a while ago
DestructoDave1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zUGhMFKG,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-08T05:37:02.893+0000)
maybe 500 is to short so what like vayne of 550? they need to make his W scale with ad not ap so its viable to use for damage.
525-550 would be a good start. Right now he just sucks in lane. He cant even deal with supports. I generally only play him vs melee supports. Its hard to land his Q's on anything ranged because he has to be in the minion wave to do it, and that means hes open to all kinds of harass from mages and longer range adcs. His range is so low you also end up having ot use your dash offensively, basically opening yourself up to all kinds of spells and harass. Hes a lane bully, who gets bullied out of lane every ADC and most ranged supports. If you can actually walk into range to harass, then they are mis-positioned or can do 2 hits to your 1.
Hes terrible. I'm only going to play him in Flex Q. I play pretty much all the adcs, so I'm not tied to him. Just stating facts. I see no point in pissing games away when Ezreal/Jhin/Cait/Vayne/anyone exists just to main a champ. Hes just not worth the trouble. There is zero upsides to playing him.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteshis base damage at lvl 18 is 98 ad... add in the 315 ad from the items i suggested plus runes +9 you end up with a total of 422 ad
his Q at max rank is 200 damage +100% ad for a total damage of 622 before armor pen, and resistances are calculated
then you add in the passive bonus damages he would most like do what say 950-1000 damage per Q and passive follow up then you add in an auto attack for another 422 damage assuming none of this crits around 1400 damage for Q passive AUTO combo
were as cait (i know she has more range, has 8 less base ad ) her q is 190 + 170% ad at max rank for 896 damage and if she follows up with an auto for another 415 would be 1311 damage assuming she hasnt crit or used passive ...
so his damage on his Q isnt as bad as thought. his range could use some help and change his W to ad ratios instead of ap
ViiLLAiN1 voteslol u realize cait head shot can do alomst 1k dmg late game? thats just an auto attack from 625 or 675 i forget her range lucian has to be in 500 range to do dmg which is a issue because he doesnt do enough dmg people can lock him down very easily and blow him up
also like i said before he isnt really a dps adc he is more bursty
so with all the league of shields going around with coc and every popular champ giving out shields. lucian has a serious issue bursting down people
oh yeah and redemption fucks him over 2
basically lucian needs to have higher attack range
i dont see why he needs to be a short range mobile adc
he can easily be a regular ranged ad with a dash maybe they can increase the cd or make it so that it doesnt go down faster when u proc ur passive idk
but he needs some help
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesyou missed i said with out her crit or head shot ?
and you missed where i stated make his range like vayne... 550 and change his w to AD RATIOS so it would be meaningful to use
but ok IGNORE ALL OF THAT ... GOOD JOB
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Calabok1 votesTry AP lucian