zyra cait bot lane is pure cancer

A week? It's still happening D:

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As a Zyra main, Soraka and Janna are honestly the best counters.

Both will never let a fight start and can easily sustain themselves without getting in range.

As a Soraka main with hundreds of games in ranked I disagree. Refer to my earlier reply since it was a bit more detailed. Soraka before the W nerfs may have had a favorable matchup against Zyra, but not anymore.

Heal starts at an 8 second cooldown now. This was put in place to combat the healbot reputation she has. Soraka needs to apply pressure with Q now, and without she cannot keep her ADC sustained in lane. They quickly crumble. If you go into get a Q and then get chunked by an array of plants, then that Q isn't worth you potentially dying. You need to fall back behind your ADC and hope you can stay competitive in lane long enough to reach rank 3 on your W. You usually cannot against a competent Zyra, so you end up requiring a gank or your ADC misses out on farm.

She can't survive the constant barrage of plants because they put out a lot of sustained damage. Yeah I've won lanes and games against Zyra and Caitlyn, but holy crap was it the worst thing ever. It just isn't fun, and most of the time we did need a gank to stay competitive in lane. Right now there is no room to ban an ADC or Support, so you need to just deal with them. This next patch is going to make it even worse, and I'm hoping we see some nerfs soon.

I also got to Gold playing Janna, and while she does better against Zyra because of her high disengage, it is still such a frustrating lane.

Eh, I always make the same mistake playing Raka - try to actively play against my opponents and use my Q and E. That gets me caught from time to time. I really need to learn to play her as a boring healbot Rito wants her to be.

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How the hell do you snare a Soraka who's not braindead? She shouldn't even be in range to snare. That and her silence should prevent heavy follow-up from unlucky traps/snares. And Sona does fine vs Zyra as long as she's smart enough to get get in melee range, otherwise she has both the poke to whittle Zyra down and sustain to live through it to make it pretty even. Worst comes to worst she can go Heal max and be a pseudo-raka and make it a farm lane.

Brainless? That's funny. Do you not understand what getting zoned means?

You're unable to get in range for your Q because the moment you do Zyra is either going to snare you or you're going to get hit with a bunch of plants and lose a lot of HP. Don't act like Zyra's snare is the hardest thing in the world to land either. Not only is not, but Soraka doesn't have an escape and without her Q presence she truly is useless during the laning phase. We've seen an increase in more Soraka's being aggressive in lane with Q because they have to be. Without they can't keep their ADC sustained in lane because of the W nerfs.

Soraka's W early game is on a very high cooldown now, so she's not going to be able to heal that back fast enough. When you throw in Cait's range and traps, then yeah that's a terrible lane for Soraka because the pressure is too great. You're forced under the turret where Cait is going to pin you.

Soraka's only save is her silence like you mentioned...which she takes at level 3, has a 24 second cooldown, and levels last. When you're dealing with constant pressure you're going to need a little bit more than that. E is great for stopping all-in champions, but against something like Zyra and Caitlyn it won't get you far because they apply constant pressure.

Soraka is no longer the champion to pick against poke lanes. In fact Sona is her biggest counter right now just because she does so much upfront damage in a fast amount of time that she can't heal it back up as fast anymore.

As for Sona, I know she does poorly against Zyra both from experience and statistics. The only supports she does worse against are Blitzcrank and Velkoz for obvious reasons. Again Zyra and Cait are able to keep her at a distance and punish her severely for trying to poke them. A Zyra is not going to let a Sona get away with poking them, and neither is Caitlyn. You can turn into a "pseudo-raka" all you want. They're going to keep the pressure up. Sona is not the old Soraka either. Maxing heal may keep you alive, but it won't keep you in lane, which is the thing you're trying to do since your ADC needs farm, which brings us to this topic is getting more attention in the first place.

The reason why this lane is frustrating is because there is no break from it without lane pressure from a gank!

It takes about 1 full second for the Blitz hook to hit max range and it takes roughly 0.5-1 second for Zyra to pull up a plant (Depending on if its her E or Q) This means that Zyra would have to W>E the instant Blitz hits Q

Put simply a Zyra would have to predict the hook cast to block it since ping would add enough to make it take too long

There's a looooooot of credit being given to Zyra players in assuming just anyone can throw up a plant to block a skillshot

Heimer can somewhat pull that off because he does one thing- press Q- up comes the turret Zyra by contrast either has to conveniently be behind a RNG seed or throw down a seed and then use another ability and get the plant to spawn- all before whatever skillshot hits her

There's a lot less room for error.

zyra has to must of a delay on her spells to do that, avoiding (which is always hard) is a better way to go

the longer u wait to engage the better it is for the both of them, becuase you will get poked down more and more

You want someone who can compete with her range wise. Karma, Lux, Syndra, Morgana are all decent options.

Or you want someone who just outright deletes her. Brand, Lux, Syndra are good options.

Your experience may be that Brand loses, but that just means you are playing against bad brands. Brand should win that matchup, assuming both ADCs are equal.

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Like who? Brand? Cause Zyra is my go to against that sup.

Superior range, burst, mana sustain, kill pressure