The price on runes really needs to be reduced.

Aatrox Mid 1v5·Dec 28, 2016·197 votes·4,227 views

Right now I can either play league 24/7 to get the runes I need or buy an IP boost and still have to grind 24/7. 2050 IP for a scaling health quint? thats 10-20 matches for 1.

81 Comments

FaustavianDec 28, 201632 votes

About 30-35 games if you're like me and bad.

WoonStruckDec 28, 201618 votes

Its a good thing nobody should be using scaling health quints anyway. :^)

OrangesilkDec 28, 201613 votes

Runes, as well as the grind to lvl 30 exist solely as a gateway to diminish the amount of smurfing.

Without these gating systems banning toxic people would be 100% meaningless. People would just make a new smurf once they do badly on their 10 clasification games. I mean, hell, I'd make a troll smurf to play ridiculous builds like item 1419 Lulu in bronze.

vOmvbrawfUDec 28, 201621 votes

I'm sorry, are you saying that Lulu build isn't OP?

ParcevalDec 29, 20161 votes

That can be solved with machine learning. If they just invested in it properly.

Cynical RainDec 29, 20161 votes

Explain. Give me the psuedocode.

Once you do that, explain the marketing side of it where people will vehemently protest since the system was wrong in say 10% of the cases.

NightmareAmazoXDec 29, 20161 votes

Excuse me but if all that was to reduce diminish the amount of smurfing then why did Riot Games halve the EXP needed to get to level 30 in season 6?

XeroKimoDec 29, 20161 votes

Because if you're someone who can't spend every single moment of their life playing league, it'd take them a year or so to experience rank, now it only takes 6 months

NightmareAmazoXDec 29, 20161 votes

Yeah.

MunchCrunchLunchDec 30, 20161 votes

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Runes, as well as the grind to lvl 30 exist solely as a gateway to diminish the amount of smurfing.

Without these gating systems banning toxic people would be 100% meaningless. People would just make a new smurf once they do badly on their 10 clasification games. I mean, hell, I'd make a troll smurf to play ridiculous builds like in bronze.

most smurfs have no fucking problem buying accounts my dude. nobody levels up accounts anymore. smurfs can legit roflstomp plebs with t2 runes. as I seen it many times. again they just get hacked accounts. from anywhere. for like a cpl bucks. account that were botted all the way to 30. just look at your ranked games when yo usee someone unusually hard carry. somehow the account hasn't been used for months and thats the first game. thats a pattern of account sharing. most likely a smurf. one of my friends lwas in a league game. where a guy in that game gave him a list of like 50 accounts. that were all hacked. they all had skins in them. level 30. all the way from bronze to platinum. he said that they are getting banned 1 by one.

most high elo players literally have ways of getting accounts for free. because they often will sell the account they leveled up all the way to master diamond or challenger and get more ones to level up.

DanjengDec 28, 201611 votes

PSA Everybody, we need to boycott Runic Armor and Runic Affinity from the masteries. Riot Games needs to know we are serious about the outrageous monopoly they have on runes, and their high prices. Also, if there is a Ryze on the enemy team, you must focus him and kill him, because he is just keeping all the runes for himself. This is urgent and we must take action immediately.

Trias000Dec 28, 20165 votes

And if Ryze is on your team, troll him by flashing out of his ult the last second if he uses it to engage.

DanjengDec 28, 20166 votes

Fun tip: If you are recalling his ultimate will not disrupt your channel. So he will be teleported, but the recallers won't.

5000000000000000Dec 29, 20165 votes

I sometimes try to bait enemies towards me by ulting behind them. Except one time, my ADC went inside. Alone.

Spaceman5pffDec 29, 20161 votes

I Tahm ulted into the enemy team once, sat there waiting for the full HP garen to hop in with me but do you know who jumped in before he could get to me?

Our 1/4 HP Vayne who just flashed OUT of the fight I was ulting into.

WrightrjDec 28, 20169 votes

I'm more annoyed with the price of rune pages tbh, being a little new to the game and having to shove like 5 diff champions' runes onto two pages.

aspects1Dec 28, 20166 votes

i just got my third page after 2 seasons, till now, ive only had an AD and AP one

ahferroin7Dec 29, 20161 votes

The thing is though a generic set (AD, AP, HP, and possibly support or AD+AP) works perfectly fine on about 90% of the champs.

Spaceman5pffDec 29, 20161 votes

You just need 2 pages.

AD reds, Armor Yellows, MR blues, AD quints

MPen reds, Armor Yellows, MR Blues, AP quints.

These will work PERFECTLY fine despite what other people say. They will be absolutely sufficient while you continue playing and gradually buy more specific runes. At anything but the highest level of play, the difference between these runes and the "optimal runes" will be almost unnoticable in 99% of cases.

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20162 votes

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You just need 2 pages.

AD reds, Armor Yellows, MR blues, AD quints

MPen reds, Armor Yellows, MR Blues, AP quints.

These will work PERFECTLY fine despite what other people say. They will be absolutely sufficient while you continue playing and gradually buy more specific runes. At anything but the highest level of play, the difference between these runes and the "optimal runes" will be almost unnoticable in 99% of cases.

Tanky junglers love AS quints and reds, Riven loves flat CDR blues and 1 CDR quint.

CDR quints cost >2000 goddamnit.

Spaceman5pffDec 31, 20161 votes

bitch I played tanky junglers like amumu and sejuani for 2 goddamn seasons without as reds you will be fine

Asayake 5150glowDec 31, 20161 votes

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bitch I played tanky junglers like amumu and sejuani for 2 goddamn seasons without as reds you will be fine

Yeah, but AS reds are pretty standard. If you use them, you'll have a much better clear.

Full AS is pretty shit for lane tho, tbh.

Spaceman5pffJan 3, 20171 votes

The point isn't to be optimal for everything tho.

The point is to have 2 rune pages that will at least WORK no matter what you play. Buys you plenty of time to build specific ones

General Esdeath Dec 28, 20166 votes

Been playing 4 years. Still don't know all champs or 20 rune pages.

DmSojiDec 29, 20162 votes

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Been playing 4 years. Still don't know all champs or 20 rune pages.

You've been playing for 4 years without owning all the champs?!

General Esdeath Dec 29, 20161 votes

Nope. Bought rune pages but only when the 2 for 1 sale is happening. Don't want all the champs so I saved the ones I don't care about for last. I need like 24 more.

drakuIa421Dec 29, 20161 votes

i've been playing for over a year now and i still have 2 rune pages and about 30-40 champions (most of them are worth 450-3150 ip).

General Esdeath Dec 29, 20161 votes

The lowest costing one I have to buy is Eve (Don't want her) highest I want is 4800.

VerdadeDec 28, 20163 votes

Scaling health quint? Which champion do you want to use this on?!

nice tableDec 28, 20161 votes

good for almost any top lane tank that's facing a farm lane.

VerdadeDec 28, 20161 votes

Which farm top laner is meta? Why would you pick tank into lane farmer? To get proxied?

nice tableDec 28, 20162 votes

farm lane = a lane where neither party has kill pressure this applies to almost every tankvtank lane.

VerdadeDec 28, 20161 votes

I know, but why would you pick tank into tank if you can just pick anti-tank and win the lane?

nice tableDec 28, 20163 votes

well most commonly just because of team comps, you can also pick a tank into the enemy that you outscale while the enemy has no kill pressure on you.

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20161 votes

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I know, but why would you pick tank into tank if you can just pick anti-tank and win the lane?

Because winning the lane does not mean winning the game.

Fiora is a prime anti-tank, although she's kinda all around. She is shit in teamfights though, which makes her an even better example for this. A team with a 1/5 tank will win against a team with a 5/1 Fiora in a teamfight.

ElishevaDec 28, 20163 votes

They really don't. There is a finite amount of things to buy with IP in league of legends, and if the price of said items gets lowered, players will own everything too quickly. Same logic as hacking a game to spawn items, ruins it.

RocketRelmDec 28, 20168 votes

I genuinely don't think "Oh no, I've played the game for 5 years, I own all the IP purchasable things, I have too much IP!" is necessarily a valid complaint. I wish I had that problem.

ElishevaDec 29, 20162 votes

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I genuinely don't think "Oh no, I've played the game for 5 years, I own all the IP purchasable things, I have too much IP!" is necessarily a valid complaint. I wish I had that problem.

I've been playing less barely over a year and already own just about everything ._. going to start working on runes after I buy Jhin. It's not hard to get things...

RocketRelmDec 29, 20164 votes

I… okay, how are you defining everything here? Because "enough to play the game with my small subset of champions" and "everything in the game" are very different things. I own almost 100 champions, but still don't own 39. Presuming their average IP cost is 5100 (both because it's likely higher than that , and once I get the last few sub 4800 costers I can begin using random shard trades to grab champions), I still require 198900 IP to complete my champion set.

I'mma say it again. I own over 90 Champions, and I'm still 200k IP Short. Presuming I make 500 IP every day (a fairly high amount), I'll still not have every champion by next christmas.

ErrastasDec 29, 20161 votes

Game wasn't designed for you to get every champ with no effort, just put the time in. Don't ask for things to be dumbed down, because you're not willing to commit the time like the countless players before you who did it without the whining.

RocketRelmDec 29, 20163 votes

Okay so explain to me how this, in any way, dumbs down the game? If prices are reduced on runes, how does that make it so you need to be less smart to use them?

ahferroin7Dec 29, 20161 votes

There's less risk in buying a set of runes because it doesn't cost you as much. Just a set of quints is minimum 3k+ IP. You can't afford to waste IP on runes, so you have to be smarter about what you buy.

Spaceman5pffDec 29, 20163 votes

Why the fuck do you want a scaling HP quint. My guess is you don't, but it is the highest price for a greater quint so you used it as an example.

LeetriDec 28, 20162 votes

They're working on completely reworking Runes in 2017, aren't they?

Mystic ShovelDec 28, 20161 votes

Either in 2017 or just after I believe. It wont be anytime soon though, I reckon we're talking 4 months in MINIMUM. :/

Michael SykesDec 28, 20163 votes

would be cool if we get the ip back then xD

ParcevalDec 29, 20162 votes

Holy cow yes. I've made so many posts about this that have been down voted to oblivion.

It's a completely unacceptable system.

MonkeyMadnessDec 29, 20162 votes

Why the fucking fuck are you buying scaling health quints??? Trust me on this, as a player that currently owns all champs, 20 rune pages, and all viable runes, you don't actually need all this shit. Sure, it's nice to have, but you don't need all those runes. Buy correct runes based on what you see on sites like probuilds and champion.gg. Don't waste IP on shit like this.

Craft ZeppelinDec 29, 20162 votes

NEVER NEVER again full crit damage Jhin anymore. That cost probably the same amount as hiring him for a assasination mission.

GigaPubeDec 29, 20162 votes

luckily for you scaling health quints, and most scaling quints in general besides mana, mana regen and CDR, are all a lot less efficient than most of the other popular quints who are usually far more efficient than the regular runes, as they should be. so pretty much scaling health is a trap, as are the new hybrid pen marks, where its lethality instead of flat armor pen, and its so much weaker that despite the higher resistance penetration, its only good on a few hybrid champions

flat armor quints are incredibly efficient as they are worth over 4 entire armor seals, which are already known to be incredibly efficient. also as far as "effective health" goes, apparently its more efficient to build a little more armor/MR over health throughout the game, meaning the flat armor seals are already worth so much more efficient stats already, and then to have a quint that gives over 4 TIMES the stats of a regular level 3 rune....im pretty sure its the most efficient rune in the game relative to the popularity, buy and use flat armor quints instead. then use scaling health or armor for seals as thats when the scaling runes are efficient (as seals)