K can syndra not press one button and kill you?
Its just a repeat of pre-rework veigar
Its just a repeat of pre-rework veigar
Veigar actually can still oneshot with 1 button?
He can, it just takes longer.
Or would take longer, if he couldn't double-stack while farming and poking.
His R does 325 + 75% AP. Since youre talking about oneshot with 1 button, I assume you mean the enemy has full health (so the execute damage isnt involved).
To oneshot an 1800 health ADC you need 2000 AP, assuming that you have enough flat pen to cut through their base 30 MR.
So "can"? Sure. Any stacking champion "can" oneshot you (so Thresh, Bard, Nasus). Its not going to happen though.
Edit: Actually, without the execute damage on his ult, its a pretty medicore spell. His W actually is better to oneshot with. His W does 300 + 100% AP.
To oneshot that 1800 health ADC, you need 1500 AP.
His R does 325 + 75% AP. Since youre talking about oneshot with 1 button, I assume you mean the enemy has full health (so the execute damage isnt involved).
To oneshot an 1800 health ADC you need 2000 AP, assuming that you have enough flat pen to cut through their base 30 MR.
So "can"? Sure. Any stacking champion "can" oneshot you (so Thresh, Bard, Nasus). Its not going to happen though.
Well then by that basis Syndra also cannot oneshot.
Well that would require us to look at that math.
Damage per sphere is 180 + 20% AP. 6 spheres (which doesn't actually require hitting any spells) is 1080 + 120% AP.
That would require 600 AP to kill the 1800 HP ADC, once again assuming that you have the MPen to cut through the 30 MR.
Syndra's standard build, from champion.gg, is
(100),
(100),
(80),
(70),
(120 + 35%), and the mpen boots. That build gives 635 AP, not counting runes or masteries.
So yes, Syndra can, within reason, kill an ADC with one cast of R.
Well that would require us to look at that math.
Damage per sphere is 180 + 20% AP. 6 spheres (which doesn't actually require hitting any spells) is 1080 + 120% AP.
That would require 600 AP to kill the 1800 HP ADC, once again assuming that you have the MPen to cut through the 30 MR.
Syndra's standard build, from champion.gg, is
(100),
(100),
(80),
(70),
(120 + 35%), and the mpen boots. That build gives 635 AP, not counting runes or masteries.
So yes, Syndra can, within reason, kill an ADC with one cast of R.
Thats her job. That's what burst Mages are meant to do. Destroy squishies. If said squishy comes up to Syndra with NO MR, you will be destroyed. End of story.
The problem people have is that Syndra can do it without needing any real aim. If Xerath kills you with a full combo, you could have dodged. If Lux kills you with a full combo, you could have dodged. If Rumble drops his ult on your head and you die from it, you could have technically walked out of it. Syndra's ult is targeted, so if she clicks on you and you die, you couldn't have really done anything.
Syndra's ult doesn't apply all its damage in go to allow for a clutch heal/shield by you or your teammates. The ult is targeted to allow her to deal with mobile champions, which she already has trouble against. Lux and Xerath both have a greater range than Syndra, allowing them to safely execute their combo. Syndra has to get in fairly close to ult you.
Also, with the way Syndra's ult works, making it a skill shot would need you to significantly buff her ult AP ratio or make it so that all that damage applies in one go.
No one said anything about making it a skillshot. We don't like how it's a fire and forget oneshot. Point and Click or Nuclear, pick one.
Not when you have about four signs that she is about to burst you down.
proud.Or when you dodge everything and just just 6-7 ball ults you anyways and you die cause "lol that's what she's supposed to do, just buy MR noob".
If you dodged every single one of her basic spells, then having a
means you are not going to die to her ult.
Ever.
Alternatively, you may try to not melee her, because her ult range is actually really low.
What's the point of dodging her spells, if she just kills you with R if you don't buy MR. Might as well make her whole kit point and click at that point.
Every ADC can 3-shot a squish with no armor faster than Syndra can finish her ult. By right-clicking once.
See the double standards here?
After 30min. When Syndra can do this from level 6.
http://tinyurl.com/SneakyOneShot
0:25-0:27 Syndra landed one sphere, dealing a total of 116 magic damage through shield. Missed everything, then literally tossed ult out. Went through Karma shield and literally one shot him.
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http://tinyurl.com/SneakyOneShot
0:25-0:27 Syndra landed one sphere, dealing a total of 116 magic damage through shield. Missed everything, then literally tossed ult out. Went through Karma shield and literally one shot him.
I saw an ADC with no MR stupidly approach a Syndra with multiple orbs on the ground, and omg, HE PAID THE PRICE FOR IT!
Disrespect her stupid ult and you die. Nuff said.
Syndra's ult can never one shot because it is calculated as (instance of damage) x (y) (y being number of spheres on the ground + 3)
Meaning unless the first hit can do enough to 100-0 someone it won't one shot because it is several instances of damage
I waste too much of my life on this game
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Syndra's ult can never one shot because it is calculated as (instance of damage) x (y) (y being number of spheres on the ground + 3)
Meaning unless the first hit can do enough to 100-0 someone it won't one shot because it is several instances of damage
I waste too much of my life on this game
Technically correct... But that is one ability so it is also technically a one shot... Err.
Well that's paradoxical.
I'm gonna stop before my brain starts hurting thinking about it
Syndra does 180+20% for each sphere. She can have 7 max for 1260 +140% AP if you have full CDR and some top tier Syndra mechanics.
For the same 1800 health ADC and enough magic pen to cut through 30 MR: 7 spheres - 385 AP 6 spheres - 600 AP 5 spheres - 800 AP
So Syndra actually has a realistic chance of one-shotting someone with her ult with 6 spheres and 600 AP. Now, "one button and kill you" is a bit of an overstatement since you need to drop 3 q's, then ult. (or for the 7 sphere combo, drop 3 Q's, pick up your first Q with your W, drop another Q, then ult in a .8 second window - 1.2 seconds if you have 45% cdr). But the actual damage goes through in one button.
she got a nerf last patch
Rebalance:
She can no longer infinitely walk around with 7-sphere ultimate and instead has only a 3 second long window to use it after a 10 seconds long setup with 40% CDR.
A rebalance.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb0gv1DKgw1rwzsbso1_500.gif
Rebalance:
She can no longer infinitely walk around with 7-sphere ultimate and instead has only 3 second long window to use it after 10 seconds long setup with 40% CDR.
A rebalance.
Yeah,
People fear what they do not understand - 
Rebalance:
She can no longer infinitely walk around with 7-sphere ultimate and instead has only a 3 second long window to use it after a 10 seconds long setup with 40% CDR.
A rebalance.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb0gv1DKgw1rwzsbso1_500.gif
Better not mention that true damage she got, just Syndra main things.
Old empowered W was stronger though
Better not mention that true damage she got, just Syndra main things.
I'm not a syndra main but:
Like 20% bonus true damage, (with the main ability having its scaling reduced a little bit) if you can hit it and basically only against one target vs: No bonus damage but you can basically hit an entire team with the w and then proceed to have a sona ultimate on your E, and you can easily get a 7 ball ult without trying.
Hmmm
I'm not a syndra main but:
Like 20% bonus true damage, (with the main ability having its scaling reduced a little bit) if you can hit it and basically only against one target vs: No bonus damage but you can basically hit an entire team with the w and then proceed to have a sona ultimate on your E, and you can easily get a 7 ball ult without trying.
Hmmm
So? My point is if trying to make your point valid list everything, not just your biased point, also you seem awfully protective of Syndra while claiming not to be a Syndra main.
That's because most people don't have a hate boner for her that's so huge that they end up stuck in place for five days at the mere mention of her name, and can realize that 20% true damage on an alright nuke with a pretty standard cooldown is nothing compared to the ability that's being complained about in this thread as a one-shot being able to get its full damage 97% of the time, not to mention having an incredibly easy way to set up a multi-man initiation.
That's because most people don't have a hate boner for her that's so huge that they end up stuck in place for five days at the mere mention of her name, and can realize that 20% true damage on an alright nuke with a pretty standard cooldown is nothing compared to the ability that's being complained about in this thread as a one-shot being able to get its full damage 97% of the time, not to mention having an incredibly easy way to set up a multi-man initiation.
Actually it is something, he listed that ability and what he lost in it, didn't list what she got in return, that's the typical biased shit a main does to his favorite champ, also you defended her against several people, a neutral guy doesn't do that, a neutral would just write one thing and leave, not defend her till death, like you did/are doing now.
This isn't a kilogram of feathers vs. a kilogram of steel, man. It's more like a liter of rubber vs. a liter of steel. Anyone can tell you that the steel has more mass.
This isn't a kilogram of feathers vs. a kilogram of steel, man. It's more like a liter of rubber vs. a liter of steel. Anyone can tell you that the steel has more mass.
Yes so it's better not to mention it, got it, I am more and more sure you have another account where you only play(abuse) Syndra, reply if you have a real answer not some shit with liters and shit, this is a game.
... I mean, if you're going to go with that logic, y'could easily check my history and see that I basically never play mid, mostly play top and jungle, and otherwise stick to the bot lane roles.
That'd be some really bizarre commitment to only play mid on a secondary account and then never play it on the primary.
Despite her getting true damage.
So? Old maxed W was way better. It made W and E SUPER hard to dodge.
That's not even the nerf. Syndra does not need to land Q,W, or E if she just gets 7 spheres up and presses R (since with Thunderlords and Ludens that can do about 2300 damage). The nerf was that it takes a lot more work get to all 7 spheres up.
You're never going to feasibly get 7 spheres now anyway though. 6 is the most and it's so telegraphed that if someone gets hit with that, they frankly deserved to die.
An unfed Syndra is never killing people by just pressing R unless the game has run for 60 minutes and even the 0-15 Syndra is now full build. In which case you should have ended sooner anyway.
I can agree that she is annoying, but not to the extent that you're claiming.
But even a slightly fed Syndra can just press R and kill. I'm fine with her killing people if she lands Q or W->E first, but it's ridiculous she can miss every skill shot and still deal 2300 damage by pressing R. That kind of shit was the entire reason Riot changed Veigar and now because of Thunderlords and Ludens Syndra is doing the same.
If you're interested in the math, her ult at max rank does 180 +20% AP per sphere, plus 10-180 +10%AP from thunderlords, plus 100 + 10% AP from Ludens.
(180*7+180+100)=1540 Base Damage
Let's assume she has around 500 AP, for a full build with some defensive items. (.20*7+.1+.1)500= 800 Extra Damage, Leads to 2340 Damage
Considering that any other mage or ADC in the game would have about 4.5 MR after Sorc shoes and Void staff, they'd die.
Or, you know, you could buy a
and completely negate her ult all together, like how you buy QSS vs Malz to negate his ult even on a mid lane mage who doesn't want it's upgrade. Works wonders building
even on AD champions because, surprise, dodging AP damage means no AP damage until cooldowns are back up, and since her ult has an obvious cast time and sound effect, I'm sure you have the reactions to hit it when you notice those balls flying towards you.
Zhonyas has a longer cooldown than her ult.
The same argument could be made for Veigar ult. If Zhonyas preventing it is an acceptable counter then bring Veigar's old ult back.
So you decided to stand next to a fed Syndra or a Syndra with 7 balls available not once but twice in 120 seconds? You deserve to be die to her then.
Exactly. I had no problem with Veigar's old ult when literally the counterplay to it is let the AD members focus him.
OUTPLAYED
I swear, everyone who shows me videos of Syndra one shotting is showing me fed syndras against full dps ADCs, who have max orbs, and flat mr pen. Or some mixture of those.
Her nerfs were well deserved, but give her some time to see how people react against her new maxed W and the nerfs.
There's such a thing as "doing their job too well".
Oh you mean like marksmen have been doing for the past couple years?
Nobody is saying that she can do it in every situation, but based on the changes Riot made to Veigar their standpoint is that it should happen in no situation. Syndra definitely isn't strong right now, but this ability is unreasonable and her power needs to be shifted around so that it can't happen... Or Riot needs to admit that they were wrong about Veigar and revert his changes.
I mean, if you want to directly compare Veigar to Syndra, you'd need to make Veigar's Q leave behind "cosmic dust" or something for a couple seconds, and ulting would absorb all nearby cosmic dust to amplify its damage.
If you want to less directly compare Veigar to Syndra, you'd maybe make his ultimate passive generate charges upon him dealing ability damage to an enemy ( perhaps more if it's a champion? ), which fall off out of combat and are consumed to empower his ult.
Or ... y'know, what it currently is, even if the current version doesn't allow you to take your spell casts towards one target and turn them into damage on another. The thing is that old Primordial Burst dealt static damage, at least in comparison to Syndra's ult. In an actual fight, the only things that would change it would be AP steroids ( on either Veigar or the target ) or MRes changes. Which ... goes for every single AP scaling magic damage ability in the game. So if you shot old Burst at someone, even if it's literally as soon as you see them, they're probably going to die unless you were stupid and completely misused it.
Even with people's complaints about it, Syndra ult doesn't do that at all. It'll hurt, sure, but its damage isn't anything than slightly above-average unless she's a. fed to the point where anyone's damage would be ridiculous or b. she's actually been setting up for around ten seconds. If you see Syndra while you're just wandering about and end up dead from a single ult, that wasn't because its damage is just point-and-click-for-one-shot - she had to already know you were coming, and spent the last couple seconds doing nothing but blowing mana in hopes that she'd correctly predict your movement.
New Burst doesn't exactly allow you to do that, but it works on the same principle - and if you're wandering around the jungle trying to lifesteal some health after a fight, he doesn't need the ~10 seconds of set-up to ult you and instantly kill you. But in an actual fight, its damage still ramps up over the course of dealing damage to enemies. The main difference is that Syndra still benefits from whiffed spells, and Veigar benefits from damage he doesn't deal - but overall, they're both just targeted nukes that become really big as a fight progresses.