as long as he isn't holding the team back with the toxicity and feed it's all fine
take all the kills if you want , winning the game is my priority
to all the people crying about 
building 
or 
with rest of full ap items
Chromatic Eagle42 votesWait your supports build sighstone and gold items? Give them to me.
Pandemic Punch1 votesThere is a difference between supports buying sightstone and supports USING sightstone ;-)
Sonasaurous28 votesWhen I'm playing support (which is a regular occurrence), I steal kills:
When my adc starts backing off like a dumbass even though the enemy is one auto from death (bonus: the adc 9/10 times always says "omg ks report!")
When I setup the kill perfectly and the adc doesn't follow up and I know I have enough damage to take the kill anyway (bonus: adc response "wtf ks!")
When my adc is trash or toxic.
And like, sure, my adc needs the gold to get their items. But when I'm playing Sona I need a lot of AP items for my W to be mildly effectively, and shit ain't cheap. And normally by late game when my team is never dying because I'm spamming heal and damage amplifiers, I'm not getting anymore complaints about my stolen kills. The double standard for supports is real.
Praetor Notorias10 votesI take the kill always cause of lag. If they can't get it between the delay of my command and the server recognizing it, it's my kill. I'd rather someone get the kill than no one. They can bitch all they want. I know where the mute button is.
YFisfabulousBRUH1 votesfellow sona player here AND BOY
I FEEL YOU.
i onced carried a team with an anverage kda of 12/17, ended the game 17/7 with full AP. Best thing was the enemy saying "you better thank your sona for carrying your ass".
DrinkMoreWhiskey1 votes{quoted} anverage kda of 12/17, ended the game 17/7 with full AP.
That makes no sense.
YFisfabulousBRUH1 votesOoops sorry should have clarified that it was the team with the average KDA of 12/17
TheMoralSupport2 votesCan we just get a command in game that redirects toxic adc's to this list when they're spamming ks in chat?
Niyumi9 votesSome games that I play ADC, I end up like 4/0/18... and I'm totally fine with it. My Brand support might have like 14 kills, but I won the game, so it's all cool.
Aimléss2 votesIf you're 4/0/18 then great, but if your 4/8/18 then it starts to get annoying, specifically when then enemy ADC is like 12/6/4, and is melting my team in team fights with all that extra gold.
It's an alright score if you're stomping, but people need to understand that in a close game one of your best chances of victory in team fights is to get your ADC every kill you can give them. Though of course maybe that's not the best in low elo when your ADC might be awful, but other than that, yeah.
skyskee0084 votesClassic noob mistake. Give all your kills to the full tank support zed.
Kudrov7 votesmost of the time theses kind of support will carry the whole team (they would even carry more in a mid or top role) but they are so fed up with every bot lane feeding like crazy and costing them the game that they now go into the support role ... and still manange to carry all the fucking bronzoid fucks who should not play any ranked game its been 7 years the game is out and still alot alot alot alot of morons still going into ranked but suck like crazy.
Aimléss2 votesIn lanes where bot lane gets destroyed its usually the supports fault actually. ADC's usually have no escapes once flash is down, and have to rely on their support to keep them alive. Also, most ADC's have no engage and thus have to rely on their support to engage and set up the kills in lane. So if bot is getting destroyed more often than not, it's on the sup, and if they stomp, it's also on the sup more often than not.
It Hertz When IP6 votesTry again. I can have all the peel in the world, but if the ADC flashes into the river to run away, or stands and fights while I'm pinging that everything I have is on CD and/or I don't have the mana to do shit even IF they were available, or continues to push despite the fact that we're overextended and I JUST SAW THEIR JUNGLER leave mid heading in our direction, warning pings be damned.... It is NOT my fault.
Eternal7915 votesAs someone who plays both ADC and support, I can confirm that its about even. I've seen both crappy supports and crappy ADC's that cost the lane.
Darksun Dragoon6 votesSeriously. You wanna farm champions like I farm minions? Have at it. Carry me to victory.
PePsiLemoNN5 votesHe's holding your team back by not buying 
Yi Bencheikh6 votes
PePsiLemoNN1 votesHonestly i don't care if my support is a full ap brand
An Enemy Sutando10 votesLast time I checked eye gives AP.
+200 health +50% base mana regeneration +35 ability power +10% cooldown reduction
AbiwonKenabi1 votesAND CDR. AND gives you a mana item. AND gives you money for harassing enemies. AND give you free, refillable vision.
MorgManBasher4 votes
PureSilvrr1 votesZilean isn't really a mage supp
Blade of Justic5 votesZilean isn't really a mage supp
Zilean's my main and supporting is my game.
JnFnRu2 votesThe amount of time getting flamed for not ulting the ADC getting jumped on 1 v 3 as Zilean support .....
Dancing Foxx4 votes
LeagueOfJhin3 votes
Nightshade Rose2 votesHonestly i'm sick with all Burst midlaners going support, like its not enought as adc you gotta build damage and little to no protections so you gonna get 1 shotted by them, but they have tons of poke and lane control its extremly hard to farm if you get bursted when you're standing at your max range.
Veltox1 votesDraintanking with lifesteal ain't fun to deal with either. But you don't see mages complaining about it.
skyskee0082 votesBurst them before they can lifesteal or CC them so they can't lifesteal lol...
The Yetii Rider1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nightshade Rose,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zAH8nkeG,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-05-23T14:16:47.736+0000)
Honestly i'm sick with all Burst midlaners going support, like its not enought as adc you gotta build damage and little to no protections so you gonna get 1 shotted by them, but they have tons of poke and lane control its extremly hard to farm if you get bursted when you're standing at your max range.
It's almost like you should adapt and not play a squishy auto attacker into a burst mage...almost like a champion that builds full squish and relies on peel is only good in 5v5...but hey as long as you can emulate a pro doesn't matter how many games you lose or feel useless right?
Nightshade Rose1 votesNot to play squishy auto attacker? So going UrGod?
or Darius Bot? Or any tank?
almost like a champion that builds full squish and relies on peel is only good in 5v5
Problem?
as long as you can emulate a pro doesn't matter how many games you lose or feel useless right?
Emulate a pro? Support and Marksmen botlane was since season 3 atleast.
The Yetii Rider1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nightshade Rose,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zAH8nkeG,comment-id=000a00030000,timestamp=2017-05-25T14:24:49.997+0000)
Not to play squishy auto attacker? So going UrGod?
Emulate a pro? Support and Marksmen botlane was since season 3 atleast.
Urgot bot, Yasuo, Alistar, Annie, Malzahar, really any champion that is self-sufficient and provides more tangible benefits to a team than just damage.
Yes, marksman support is a longstanding lane, but natural metas shift as the game changes. Our meta is very resistant to shifting as many players choose to copy what works at higher levels of play.
Back in Season 3, we didn't have keystones. Supports had bonus experience masteries. Champions that were squishy and relied on teams didn't have to deal with the jungler or mid ganking their lane with Thunderlords Decree and Chilling Smite. Supports didn't fall 2-3 levels behind everyone else in the game.
The bot lane meta doesn't work anymore, that's why ADCs are constantly demanding lethality or crit scaling on kits, because they cannot simply rush BT (season 3 was also very good to ADCs because of 100 AD BT, you know) and do well in the mid game.
Nightshade Rose1 votesSo you're saying problem is that unlike other roles theres no place in current meta for marksmen, let alone traditional supports? Well then they should buff ammount of exp support gains from standing near dieing minion and buff adc's, like marksmen and supports are in this game for a reason and sure they're less played then assassins or burstmages, but that doesn't mean Riot whould just ignore their standing. Also, yes meta is changing even from patch to patch sometimes, but it should never change as much as to push out entire role of champions, not to mention 2 at once!
The Yetii Rider1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nightshade Rose,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zAH8nkeG,comment-id=000a0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-28T18:53:07.296+0000)
So you're saying problem is that unlike other roles theres no place in current meta for marksmen, let alone traditional supports? Well then they should buff ammount of exp support gains from standing near dieing minion and buff adc's, like marksmen and supports are in this game for a reason and sure they're less played then assassins or burstmages, but that doesn't mean Riot whould just ignore their standing. Also, yes meta is changing even from patch to patch sometimes, but it should never change as much as to push out entire role of champions, not to mention 2 at once!
You are correct that if Riot wants to maintain the 2v2 marksman support bot lane organically and not through the playerbase mimicking 5v5s, that the appropriate course of action would be to somehow introduce a passive experience boost back into the game. However, Riot has refused to do so, likely to avoid the experience boost being poached by mid and top laners.
Instead, they give us more XP when we get a kill or assist on someone who is higher level (so if you're 4 levels behind the target, not going to happen. They'll just kill you first), XP when you kill a ward (joy) and XP if you die within 10 seconds of an enemy dying and don't get an assist.
And unsurprisingly, as all of this just makes the floor lower but doesn't help if you're not smack dab against the bottom of the floor, supports are still weak and still underleveled, to the point where passive supports get an item that gives them an extra skill rank because Riot knows they're behind in levels so much.
Nightshade Rose1 votesSo they are passively removing support class. If they know theres a problem with them, but instead of fixing it they just put a band aid 
, they're just trying to turn us away from their true goal. They see that supports are useless and underplayed so they're just slowly removing them, thus forcing support mains to join meta and go mage burst with their marksmen, so when supports are being removed little by little community would't start such uprising. Also they change coins pasive: instead of make coin passive so support gets full exp of minion kills when standing near their marksmen or dieing minion instead of part of exp, thus they can level up as fast as their marksmen.
The Yetii Rider1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nightshade Rose,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zAH8nkeG,comment-id=000a000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-28T22:26:15.497+0000)
So they are passively removing support class. If they know theres a problem with them, but instead of fixing it they just put a band aid
I don't recognize the item icon you're posting so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
If you made an item that stated "You gain full XP when an ally champion kills a minion near you" we would move into a 2-1-2 meta. Jungling would be pointless if both top laners could gain full XP from a wave. You would both start Coin, split the wave evenly, get a decent amount of gold and a huge amount of XP.
Nightshade Rose1 votesIts item that you get after compleating coin quest.
I doubt it would become 2-1-2 meta, because jngling provides importaint buffs and and objectives for entire team and Riot could make same thing what they did with jngler items, that you can't purchase them without Smite. They could do the same with exhouse or even make those items class specific. Etc. Zyra is a mage / support so she can buy support items, Katarina is an mage assasin and thus she cannot buy support items. Sure such thing would limit what champs are good or can go support, but we have to exchange something for something. OR EVEN BETTER with this item you get reduced gold from killing minions, call it exchanging gold for XP, supports don't usually farm alot, especialy with coin (i think i wasn't clear about exchangin that passive with current coin passive only).
The Yetii Rider1 votesIf that is the case then you are really destroying the support role because either everyone will buy Ancient Coin or those who continue to buy Spellthief's Edge and Relic Shield will be at a massive disadvantage.
Nightshade Rose1 votesWhy would everyone buy ainciant coin if it reduces gold gain from minions while getting full amount of Exp? Fine it can be that with that item you cannot get gold from minion kills or make it instead of 100% exp to 90% - 80%. Those who buy relic shield won't be at dissadvantage because they get a passive shield, that is quite helpful, how useful queens tribute ia can't say because i don't really see diffrence with it or without it, i guess movespeed is nice but thats it and if the game gets to lategame it won't matter anyways because they'll be at lvl 18 anyways and in lategame shield from face of the mountain and extra damage, movespeed from thieves edge still going to be of use while that exp you got back in midgame, will be useless. With such passive support gets extra exp when he competes his quest from minion kills, by him or nearby allies. Remember that i'm suggesting new quest reward and not stand in for quest itself.
The Yetii Rider1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nightshade Rose,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zAH8nkeG,comment-id=000a0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T17:22:04.936+0000)
Why would everyone buy ainciant coin if it reduces gold gain from minions while getting full amount of Exp? Fine it can be that with that item you cannot get gold from minion kills or make it instead of 100% exp to 90% - 80%. Those who buy relic shield won't be at dissadvantage because they get a passive shield, that is quite helpful, how useful queens tribute ia can't say because i don't really see diffrence with it or without it, i guess movespeed is nice but thats it and if the game gets to lategame it won't matter anyways because they'll be at lvl 18 anyways and in lategame shield from face of the mountain and extra damage, movespeed from thieves edge still going to be of use while that exp you got back in midgame, will be useless. With such passive support gets extra exp when he competes his quest from minion kills, by him or nearby allies. Remember that i'm suggesting new quest reward and not stand in for quest itself.
If it gets to late game they WONT all be 18, that's the problem. Supports are still 16 at 40 minutes these days.
Nightshade Rose1 votesAhhh, but they'll still have effects of their support item at lvl 16 while you with coin will have lvl 18 and no effect. You can argue that 2 lvl higher is better then effects at lvl 16 but remember that they'll eventually get to that lvl 18 with those effects while you'll only have lvl18. Also your experiance gain depends on your performance like with any role, if you stay at bot with your adc entire early and some mid game, while you're only farming and getting no kills you'll be behind, but if you try and roam mid you'll get assist experiance, gold and probably a turret, maybe first turret, while getting experiance from minion deaths near you while in midlane. Coins effect would let you achieve lvl 18 faster trading away gold from minions and any late game effect.
Hello I am Bird2 votesI... Kinda care. I mean, the ADC NEEDS to be there to help push objectives, and if they aren't relevant, that's a problem. Obviously if brand can kill the whole enemy team it renders this point moot, but still, ADCs are in the game and have a support for a reason.
The Ecdysiast2 votesThat's the issue, though. A mage should not be as effective in a role with an income deficit as a champion designed to be a support. And of course, when they aren't it's just a burden on the team. When they are, it's because they counter actual support kits.
Pinkaj1 votesYup, it's terrible seeing a xerath support + vayne adc doing super well bot lane, but the whole team flames the annie support if she never lands her stuns for her mf, meanwhile the enemy lulu has facerolled her 20hp adc to safety from a lee sin gank.
The Ecdysiast1 votesThey either need to normalize bot so you can effectively have ANYONE be your duo partner, or normalize it so that only supportive champions can actually be in the role.
SirLapse1 votesThey are in the role, you will see the meta dominated by these picks. As a top lane main, variety doesn't suddenly mean you can't play what you want unless something is ridiculously broken in the lane phase.
The Ecdysiast1 votesAs a top lane main-- which says nothing without saying who you play-- then you know that any ranged champion against a champion whose only counter is kiting effectively means you have no chance but to rely on allies. But that's not so bad, since you can rely on 4 allies.
In bot lane, that's the case when mages beat actual supports due to too-low mana costs on too-strong abilities. But it's far worse for them, because if they lose lane it means they only have 3 other allies to rely on, and top lane is likely someone who will die in the teamfights to the enemy adc even if their wasn't an adc at top already beating them.
SirLapse1 votesThe purpose of the duo lane isn't to purely grab a utility champion or support, it's literally just the meta. We have seen things like Lulu top/mid succeed at being damage AND utility, amplifying the engages of tank supports. That whole utility meta was what gave reason to pick Leona more times than not, leading to her subsequent nerfs.
If we're going to talk about why something is currently the way it is, we have to acknowledge how it even got there in the first place instead of assuming this all just happened this year. Mage supports are chosen because they are reliable enough to be in the role, if a support isn't being picked then it's simply not reliable enough for the purposes of winning the game in that position. The idea of what a "support" is for the longest time has been the "ward bot," meaning that effectively anything can be in it as long as it can buy sightstone and not get dumpstered for doing so.
And as I said before, the meta doesn't stop you from playing what you want unless it is directly seen as a disadvantage to your team because of how unconventional it is (Smite supports, smiteless jungle, etc.). Most picks end up less than efficient, but not outright bad. There's nothing stopping you from playing Braum, Leona, Blitzcrank, etc. just like how in top lane nothing is stopping people from picking Aatrox, Gnar, Poppy, etc. despite there being other champions who do their jobs better overall when speaking of solo queue.
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesDID SOMEONE SAY FULL AP BARD
