Can we thank riot for the current Yasuo?

AlphaKappaPika·Jun 10, 2015·7 votes·1,874 views

Okay, so right now is the most balanced he has EVER been, and It feels great as a main to play a balanced champion. He isn't op (release yasuo,) he isn't up (late season 4 yasuo) right now he feels.... good? Id say he is a bit on the strong side but thats just because of the meta, not yasuo himself (ult + shiv = insane armor shred + games last longer and he is a hypercarry soooo.) and honestly he feels great to use, not being op to the point where when i get fb on my laner they go omfg yasuo is so broken rito plz nerf. and not being up to the point where wow im getting shit on early because I cant do anything vs any ranged champions and im outraded by every melee mid in the game. GREAT JOB RIOT! <3

35 Comments

DanofDemaciaJun 10, 20155 votes

He's still op and he always will be with that windwalla nd double crit. Use an immobile skillshot mage and tell me how good he feels. GTFO will your op skillless champ.

ItsStoutJun 10, 20153 votes

He's a counterpick to those mages. Pick someone that counters him, and you'll find he loses REALLY easily.

Nameless VoiceJun 10, 20152 votes

If a champion has such binary matchups, it's a clear sign that he is extremely badly designed.

ItsStoutJun 10, 20151 votes

Actually, its Pantheon and Irelia who are badly desighned, not Ekko. Those are the really binary matchups, and that's a problem with them, not Ekko.

Seriously, a targeted Dash-stun and a targeted nuke that crits with a passive for a max of 350% of Pantheon's AD, and then there's the sustain, stun, burst, and DPS of Irelia. With 40% Tenacity.

Nameless VoiceJun 10, 20151 votes

Who was talking about Ekko?

ItsStoutJun 10, 20151 votes

I was, as alot of peopke were and I assumed he was, but replace Ekko with Yasuo in that sentence and it holds true.

Nameless VoiceJun 10, 20151 votes

I'd still rather lane against Pantheon. Sure he does a lot of damage early game, but he has very high mana costs for that. His skills are fairly low-range, he has no mobility other than his gapcloser, and he has to decide between using his skills to farm or to attack you with. He's strong early, but not super-oppressively so. He's forced to choose between building damage and always being OOM, or building mana and not doing as much damage, then later on he has to choose between more damage or tank stats, since as pure damage he's not that useful late-game.

Nucleophilic atkJun 10, 20155 votes

I think it is more that Yasuo has been nerfed so hard that he feels balanced. Honestly, I don't think he will ever be balanced with his stupid fuk kit. He will either be OP or UP, depending on numbers.

Knight SoIaire Jun 10, 20152 votes

or matchups

Nucleophilic atkJun 10, 20152 votes

Well, every champ has matchups. The thing is, you aren't supposed to have the lane decided by them. There still should be some counterplay. With Yasuo's current kit, there is either a lot of counterplay (ie, when his number suck tits so he is weak), or no counterplay (see release Yasuo...and Ekko). They obviously aren't going for balance, as overloaded kits don't exactly help that aspect. They are going for money.

LuggJun 10, 20154 votes

Yas has NEVER been underpowered. That was the closest he has come to actually being balanced.

AlphaKappaPikaJun 10, 20151 votes

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Yas has NEVER been underpowered. That was the closest he has come to actually being balanced.

Downvotes seem to disagree with you there sir.

LuggJun 10, 20152 votes

Not really, it's even right now.

I mean come on. An ult that has 50% armor pen. 25% is mammoth but 50 is ridiculous. If ANY other champ had that people would be demanding mega nerfs, but on Yas people are delusional for some unknown reason.

ZioviJun 10, 20151 votes

i'm ok with the 50% bonus arm pen, but it should really work only against those who get ulted, imho. And not because i want him nerfed, i just think it would make more sense.

ItsStoutJun 10, 20151 votes

I'd agree that it nakes sense, I was mostly explaining that BONUS AR pen is pretty fine (he doesn't seem to understand what that means). Also, i feel like this would be to large a nerf- his actual ult is often used against the carry, having to use it VS Tanks would nerf him too much when he doesn't have teams built around him. Anyway, at least in the current meta, it needs to stay what it is.

ZioviJun 10, 20151 votes

Honestly i'm not a yasuo player so i'm not sure how big of a nerf it would be, but i understand it could be a bit too hard on him. It's fine if they let it be like it is now, no big deal for me, i just wanted to point it out. I'd prefer it if they made that change with something else to leave him in a balanced state, of course, but it's not one of the worst things i see in league, so it's cool.

ItsStoutJun 10, 20151 votes

50% bonus, which actually wasn't that great until the gank meta, but now he relies on it to actually deal damage to them, since he takes alot of risks attacking a tank (CC train HYPE).

50% bonus armor pen is nothing against Mages and Carries.

LuggJun 10, 20152 votes

He doesn't need the armor pen for squishies, his doubled crit chance kills them in 1-2 hits.

ItsStoutJun 10, 20151 votes

I know, he needs it for tanks.

That's what I just said.

SorgklaanJun 10, 20152 votes

I generally enjoy playing against him. Because it's like, he's strong, but I never feel as if he's impossible to kill or counter.

Unlike fucking annoying ekko.

AlphaKappaPikaJun 10, 20152 votes

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I generally enjoy playing against him. Because it's like, he's strong, but I never feel as if he's impossible to kill or counter.

Unlike fucking annoying ekko.

XD exactly, although yasuo actually counters ekko, literally every time ive played yasuo v ekko ive gotten fb.

ItsStoutJun 10, 20151 votes

Ekko and Yasuo actually have the same counters. Its just Ekko's a bit harder since he needs some nerfs, which he's getting next patch.

Seriously, from then untill now, or even forever if you feel like ruining his day, pick Irelia or Pantheon mid and see how long Ekko lasts

Knight SoIaire Jun 10, 20152 votes

ballanced ?? maybe right now

but he needs work

his double crit (and only his double crit) is the problem 1)it gives him loads of powerspikes after he gets certain items (static=powerspike, ie=powerspike, 15% crit cape= powerspike) 2)those powerspikes are random, yasuo might just not crit, or might crit some times in a row, so his damage is always unpredictable 3) increased scaling with items = yasuo gets much more power from the same gold, if he gets a good lead nobody will ever catch him and he will dominate

when it comes to ballance riot always did one thing make everything abouyt yasuo suck so he will have to work for double crit power fantasy right now he isnt op nor he is realy up

but i dont think that he is a good champion as he is

NemeBroJun 10, 20151 votes

I've never really felt Yasuo was painful to face in lane, and it's usually pretty fun. He's also fun as hell to play. So yeah man, I like him.

AlphaKappaPikaJun 10, 20151 votes

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I've never really felt Yasuo was painful to face in lane, and it's usually pretty fun. He's also fun as hell to play. So yeah man, I like him.

the only time yasuo was painful to face in lane was when he was op, because he could roflstomp u level 1 by getting e, and when he was really underpowered in late season 4, because you would just watch him cs, and when he tried to auto you you would be like BITCH PLEASE and smack his ass and beat him till he couldnt move no more :'(

NemeBroJun 10, 20151 votes

Yeah, I wasn't playing back then, so I wouldn't know.

AlphaKappaPikaJun 10, 20151 votes

Ive played since late season 2, but i "really" started playing right when yasuo came out. mained him since level 17 and i probably have around 1k games with him.

3TWarriorJun 10, 20151 votes

well, yasuo is fairly decent and is a hyper carry, so i'm not sure how to react to this. he was an absolute terror sometimes in Hexakill, but he has an advantage over a lot of champs that he can build tanky while building damage, and of course, he can suppress half the enemy team or more at once depending upon how many got hit, lol

overall, I think he's pretty balanced except in mid because he counter's everything but katarina/xerath/swain there (and I may have forgotten one)

AlphaKappaPikaJun 10, 20151 votes

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well, yasuo is fairly decent and is a hyper carry, so i'm not sure how to react to this. he was an absolute terror sometimes in Hexakill, but he has an advantage over a lot of champs that he can build tanky while building damage, and of course, he can suppress half the enemy team or more at once depending upon how many got hit, lol

overall, I think he's pretty balanced except in mid because he counter's everything but katarina/xerath/swain there (and I may have forgotten one)

The only tank items that are half decent on yasuo are omen, ga, and banshees. he cant really build tanky anymore because first he obviously needs shiv and IE to get 100%, then hydra/botrk and bgrevaes so he can dish out damage in the late mid game, then he needs infinity edge or bloodthirster to deal damage late game. Last item can be more damage or a ga/banshees/omen. (u missed 3 btw, akali, kayle, and malz)

3TWarriorJun 10, 20151 votes

I was thinking something like item 3031 item 3075 or a health armor item (since he's a little low ranged, but I suppose windwall would cover any need of armor against an ADC) , item 3072 (for life steal and more durability on top of his own shield), item 3065 (for magic resist/health) (could do static shiv, but he'd probably have about the same or more damage with trinity force) then finally his boots

I don't play him, but I thought it would be interesting and i've seen several tanky yasuo clean up because their damage is high while they're bulky

could exchange the armor item for static shiv to give 100% crit chance because of his passive and some attack speed

3tysonJun 10, 20151 votes

as someone who likes nid i find yasuo verry strong

ofcourse hes a hard counter to her if the yasuo player knows what hes doing

Earl EulrichJun 10, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPnDvyGW-Zw

yea, fcking balanced. He´s just like poppy....if he ever gets a good laningphase there´s nothing you can do anymore.

AlphaKappaPikaJun 10, 20151 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPnDvyGW-Zw

yea, fcking balanced. He´s just like poppy....if he ever gets a good laningphase there´s nothing you can do anymore.

went 19-8 today as yasuo got fb and sb, roamed around the map, got bot and top ahead, still lost. so... yes there is something you can do vs Yasuo, its called "focus".

Earl EulrichJun 10, 20151 votes

yea, the currently 2nd ranked Korean team sure didn´t try to do that, but the randoms you played against played a lot stronger...

ZioviJun 10, 20151 votes

While i think he can be very annoying, i don't think he is OP. However, i always tought that his ult should give him bonus armor pen only against the enemies he ulted. I'm not saying this because i want him to be nerfed again (i repeat: i don't personally think he is op), it's just that it would make more sense to me.