Why is amumu forced to be a terrible character for so long?

MorgManBasher·Mar 18, 2018·41 votes·6,208 views

He's been bottom tier for so long now and honestly I don't understand why. It's not like his kit is toxic and/or unfair. You can dodge the bandage and he has to be in melee range to ult you unlike sej who can throw her ult. So what about him is exactly the reason he's forced to be terrible?

Whenever I get an amumu jungle on my team I just feel like dodging and it's sad because I use to love playing amumu back when holy hand grenade amumu was decent.

Please buff the poor mummy, either with base damage buffs or AP scaling buffs. Or even more % health damage on w for a niche pick tank team killer.

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JamareeMar 18, 201837 votes

I want to point out that Amumu is one of two champions in this game to never drop below a 50% win rate on lolking. I honestly don't think he is bad, I think the meta is too fast for him.

Professor WardMar 18, 20183 votes

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I want to point out that Amumu is one of two champions in this game to never drop below a 50% win rate on lolking. I honestly don't think he is bad, I think the meta is too fast for him.

i dont see how its physically possible for amumu to win in diamond+ he literally cant protect his own camps. Thats crazy that his winrate stays so consistent.

JamareeMar 18, 20187 votes

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i dont see how its physically possible for amumu to win in diamond+ he literally cant protect his own camps. Thats crazy that his winrate stays so consistent.

Because if he gets past his shitty shitty horrible early game, his end game is god like if not one of the best in the game. You can't discount an fairly sizable AoE stun.

PB4UAMEMar 18, 20181 votes

It's an entangle though, not a stun. You're rooted and auto attacks cannot start, but you can still cast spells.

JamareeMar 19, 20181 votes

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It's an entangle though, not a stun. You're rooted and auto attacks cannot start, but you can still cast spells.

It is technically an entangle, but it might as well be a stun because you can't AA during it, move AND the only ability that can be used while hit by it is Try ulti.

NineTailedMysticMar 19, 20181 votes

No, you can still cast non-mobility spells. It's only a root and pacify.

Pandemic PunchMay 4, 20191 votes

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i dont see how its physically possible for amumu to win in diamond+ he literally cant protect his own camps. Thats crazy that his winrate stays so consistent.

Pants are Dragon has a 63% win rate on Amumu while being rank 5. Yes, he was already rank 5 while he was spamming amumu several days ago.

MorgManBasherMar 18, 20186 votes

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I want to point out that Amumu is one of two champions in this game to never drop below a 50% win rate on lolking. I honestly don't think he is bad, I think the meta is too fast for him.

No, he's literally one of the worst characters in the game to the point he's laughable. "the meta is too fast for him" so what you are saying is he sucks with different words.

JamareeMar 18, 201818 votes

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No, he's literally one of the worst characters in the game to the point he's laughable. "the meta is too fast for him" so what you are saying is he sucks with different words.

But he doesn't suck though, he has the tools in his kit to be good, his numbers would be far lower if he sucked, Aatrox sucks, Ivern sucks, Lee Sin right now sucks, Amumu lacks the tools to be good in the current meta, I'm not saying he doesn't need help right now to fit in, but he isn't like horrible.

YumaS2AstralMar 18, 20187 votes

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But he doesn't suck though, he has the tools in his kit to be good, his numbers would be far lower if he sucked, Aatrox sucks, Ivern sucks, Lee Sin right now sucks, Amumu lacks the tools to be good in the current meta, I'm not saying he doesn't need help right now to fit in, but he isn't like horrible.

Lee Sin sucks because he doesn't have on-demand wards like before (Sightstone/green jungle item) so he can't dash as freely as before. If anything, his numbers are already very good.

HibekiMar 18, 20181 votes

item 3340

YumaS2AstralMar 18, 20181 votes

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This doesn't provide him with on-demand warding because it can't be freely charged, it has a cooldown.

HibekiMar 19, 20181 votes

no its on demand. You dont have to do anything. just press trinket.

Saying its a cooldown is like saying you have to go back to base.

YumaS2AstralMar 19, 20181 votes

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no its on demand. You dont have to do anything. just press trinket.

Saying its a cooldown is like saying you have to go back to base.

The thing is that you only get to have wards when you want if they are avaliable. With Sightstone or the green enchantment, all you had to do is to return to base to have more wards ready to use. With yellow trinket, you have to wait for its cooldown. This also means if you used one ward, you can't use it again for a long time.

My Waifu VanillaMar 18, 20184 votes

Aatrox is one of the best top laners right now. Where have you been?

JamareeMar 19, 20182 votes

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Aatrox is one of the best top laners right now. Where have you been?

In what world?

Spank the FoxMar 19, 20182 votes

In Hashinshins

Feel ApathyMar 18, 20188 votes

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I want to point out that Amumu is one of two champions in this game to never drop below a 50% win rate on lolking. I honestly don't think he is bad, I think the meta is too fast for him.

They kind of overnerfed his early game when they changed his passive from flat Mpen to whatever it is now.

SociaI JusticeMar 18, 201812 votes

the fact you don't know what it is or what it previously was kind of triggers me.

Votable JesterMar 18, 201810 votes

The name is fitting.

ShadowtehGreatMar 20, 20181 votes

His early game definitely needs a revamping unless that is a weakness they want him to have.

SpaghettiVaseMar 19, 20183 votes

He's never considered great to the point of being ban worthy and he's never considered bad to the point of being unplayable. Honestly probably one of the most balanced champions now.

SilentBomberMar 20, 20181 votes

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I want to point out that Amumu is one of two champions in this game to never drop below a 50% win rate on lolking. I honestly don't think he is bad, I think the meta is too fast for him.

I strongly agree with you,considering there are champions with winning rate below 50% that need more attention.

Ok sure but whyMar 18, 201820 votes

He has one of the strongest, most impactful ults in the entire game that can be masterfully paired with Katarina, Kennen, Miss Fortune, or generally anyone who wants to do AOE damage

SweedishGunnerMar 18, 20187 votes

As a Viktor main, Amumu's on my team make me wet.

It Hertz When IPMar 18, 201810 votes

Isn't that a bad thing? Y'know, water interfering with the machinery and all that...

Professor WardMar 18, 201816 votes

Amumu can not under any circumstance 1v1 in his own jungle and that makes him 100% unpickable.

On top of that, without his ultimate, his engage is very clunky and unsafe.

His kit doesnt synergize with tank well enough, and he doesnt do enough damage, he falls awkwardly in the middle.

Amumu is in a terrible spot

Akali is SO HOTMar 18, 201812 votes

I'm not sure how long you've been around, but Amumu was basically the top tier Janna pick for jungling in solo q for a long ass time. He only recently fell out of favor within the last season or so.

MorgManBasherMar 18, 20189 votes

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I'm not sure how long you've been around, but Amumu was basically the top tier Janna pick for jungling in solo q for a long ass time. He only recently fell out of favor within the last season or so.

I been playing since season 2, when has amumu ever been meta LOL Literally never see's pro play and never been a strong pick in high ELO, just something to dick around on and play for fun with full AP amumu back before they raped his AP ratios and made him terrible even at that.

hhaavviikkMar 18, 20184 votes

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I been playing since season 2, when has amumu ever been meta LOL Literally never see's pro play and never been a strong pick in high ELO, just something to dick around on and play for fun with full AP amumu back before they raped his AP ratios and made him terrible even at that.

oh he's definitely been meta, been a pick or ban for several months untill he got nerfed because of his Q + R engage

TeralisanMar 18, 20185 votes

Um, did you forget the Curse of the Sad Bullet Time?

Kira Dusk EdgeMar 18, 20182 votes

I miss wombo combos :( curse of the sad bullet time or even hecarim Ori wombo.

Akali is SO HOTMar 19, 20181 votes

He was played a decent amount in pro play during Season 3, but he was never really a dominant pick like other champs. Also, I didn't say pro play I said solo q. Amumu was completely permabanned throughout all of season 3 along with Malphite, Kass, and friends and even after he stopped being permabanned he still had a high af winrate and went under the radar for a long ass time.

l DEMACIA lMar 18, 201811 votes

He's basically a shit verison of Sejuani

ArakadiaMar 18, 20189 votes

Amumu ult is way bigger than melee range.

Besides, his ult is way too reliable. Its got decent range, but mostly its undodgable and instant cast with some significant hard CC attached.

ItsBulletTimeMar 18, 20187 votes

I miss full AP amumu, sucks they nerfed his AP ratios so hard :c

item 3151 item 3116 item 3089 item 3135 item 3285 item 3020

ValyrianBladeMar 18, 20186 votes

I don't get this post at all.

First, just LAST PATCH (8.4) he had a 50.09% win rate. How is that bottom tier? http://na.op.gg/champion/amumu/statistics/jungle

Now, let's accept that last patch was a fluke and he's just weak. Fine. From March 2015 to around October 2017, Amumu had over a 50% win rate every patch, including a spike to around 58% for one patch: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/amumu

On the same page above, only players with 0 games played on Amumu have an under 50% win rate. Anyone with any experience on the champion does well. Anyone with 10+ games on him has over a 55% win rate. People need to understand this when looking at champions. Amumu is commonly regarded as an extremely easy to play champion - he's being picked by autofilled junglers and that brings down his win rate.

So, please explain to me how he's been "weak for so long".

The last 3 seasons in a row, I believe the "season summary" or whatever it's called said that Amumu had the highest win rate across the whole season in the jungle role.

Amumu is a strong solo queue champion. He always has been. He's now been weak (ish, really a relative term. Lots of champions are still weaker and have been for basically forever) for less than 6 months and that's "bottom tier for so long"?

MorgManBasherMar 18, 20181 votes

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I don't get this post at all.

First, just LAST PATCH (8.4) he had a 50.09% win rate. How is that bottom tier? http://na.op.gg/champion/amumu/statistics/jungle

Now, let's accept that last patch was a fluke and he's just weak. Fine. From March 2015 to around October 2017, Amumu had over a 50% win rate every patch, including a spike to around 58% for one patch: https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/amumu

On the same page above, only players with 0 games played on Amumu have an under 50% win rate. Anyone with any experience on the champion does well. Anyone with 10+ games on him has over a 55% win rate. People need to understand this when looking at champions. Amumu is commonly regarded as an extremely easy to play champion - he's being picked by autofilled junglers and that brings down his win rate.

So, please explain to me how he's been "weak for so long".

The last 3 seasons in a row, I believe the "season summary" or whatever it's called said that Amumu had the highest win rate across the whole season in the jungle role.

Amumu is a strong solo queue champion. He always has been. He's now been weak (ish, really a relative term. Lots of champions are still weaker and have been for basically forever) for less than 6 months and that's "bottom tier for so long"?

Try playing him in a non-garbage can elo and ask anyone diamond+ how good amumu is as they laugh at your question. He's been in the trashcan for a long time for anyone not in a shit MMR.

ValyrianBladeMar 20, 20181 votes

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Try playing him in a non-garbage can elo and ask anyone diamond+ how good amumu is as they laugh at your question. He's been in the trashcan for a long time for anyone not in a shit MMR.

Highest season-end rank ever is Diamond 5, 0LP? With lots of Duo play in solo queue? Didn't even play last season?

The stats are all platinum plus, Diamond 5 isn't very different from platinum - many could argue it's worse since it's full of boosted animals.

Anyways, your point is still completely stupid anyways. Let's assume that every challenger/master/D1 player agrees with you: Amumu is a garbage champion in their elo. So what? It's ONE of 140 champions that can't be buffed to be viable for the top 0.5% of players in the game, because it'll pubstomp the other 99.5%. Just as Ryze, Azir, and company can't be viable in lower elo, some champions can't be viable in higher elo. So the answer to your question still remains as my first post - he overperforms in plat+ (and is even stronger lower down) and thus can't be buffed.

WiegrafOfValorMar 18, 20185 votes

First I agree with you, second have you ever tried the following build, fellow Amumu player?

Amumu item 3047 item 1401 item 3001 item 3151 item 3143 item 3022

PS: Yes frozen mallet is better for him because of the 40% slow, but you can opt in for the item 3116 or a item 3800 .

YumaS2AstralMar 18, 20184 votes

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First I agree with you, second have you ever tried the following build, fellow Amumu player?

PS: Yes frozen mallet is better for him because of the 40% slow, but you can opt in for the or a .

The slow is stronger, but you have to auto for it. Rylai is still better due to that reason; it has a more consistent and easier to proc slow. Also because it provides AP, instead of the useless AD.

WiegrafOfValorMar 18, 20185 votes

Amumu spells need you to be in melee range anyway, if you hit your Q you end up in melee, you have an AoE that has the same radius as a sunfire cape.

Honestly if you have to end up in melee to hit your enemies with your spell for 20% slow, better to just auto them and get a 40% slow and make sure they won't get away from your AoE.

YumaS2AstralMar 18, 20181 votes

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Amumu spells need you to be in melee range anyway, if you hit your Q you end up in melee, you have an AoE that has the same radius as a sunfire cape.

Honestly if you have to end up in melee to hit your enemies with your spell for 20% slow, better to just auto them and get a 40% slow and make sure they won't get away from your AoE.

Except that Amumu shouldn't be focusing on auto-ing enemies and he has slow attack speed to begin with. Also, as I said, Frozen Mallet offers AD, which is useless for Amumu. Rylai scales significantly better, is more reliable, has more useful stats - why not get it if you want a slow? Also, in the event that you need to slow more than one enemy, Rylai + his W allows you to do that. With Frozen Mallet, you would only be able to slow one enemy, assuming you could auto them.

PB4UAMEMar 18, 20183 votes

Do you not know what amumu's passive is?

FlyingRoboticCowMar 18, 20184 votes

his biggest issue is how easily abused he is by the opposing jungler and if the opposing jungler is decent that amumu will never be a threat again cc or no cc currently in the last two years the jungle has been populated consistently (though not all simultaneously) by things like LeeSin Khazix Graves Sejuani Elise JarvanIV and each and everyone of them can easily invade and murder an amumu and continue to do so quite easily. He needs to either become a jungle mage or a better jungle tank because its the being in between the two that is in my opinion making him fucking trash.

SociaI JusticeMar 18, 20184 votes

i was like "huh, is he really that bad now?" https://i.gyazo.com/54a8e0afda4ba0880cec8cf56df599c6.png yikes.

Jenks3Mar 18, 20184 votes

I saw a video on while back that broke down amumus problems into two areas.

He is too weak to invading early, which is actually not weak to invading but more of an over reliance on blue buff. If he gets chased off the blue, it's bad times. But if I find someone on my red, it's not so bad.
This is the big one, he relies on bandage toss for engages. Unlike other popular tanks, , , , , who's engage moves them even if they miss the attack, bandage toss goes nowhere if you miss. This makes amumu mildly flash reliant which is a major weakness.

5301Mar 18, 20184 votes

Amumu has his fair share of problems:

All of his power is budgeted onto his ult Telegraphed and mostly binary kit Early game not suited for a Kha'Zix and Sejuani meta His numbers aren't that impressive either

He probably won't see competitive play until some of these are fixed. That could mean he gets buffed, a Volibear type change, or a slightly bigger rework. And of course, early game junglers probably wouldn't be as prevalent as they are now