Like, he can keep his damage and his ridiculous ult but for the love of God can we make this champion less forgiving? I can't think of any other support that can literally get out of every mistake they make so easily.
Constantly just seeing him get away after making huge mess ups and then healing almost back to full HP... Like, this champ is way too forgiving for a "risk reward assassin"
It just tilts me seeing him always live even when he's playing badly.
letsfeedtogether48 votesmake his passive out of combat only,
LetMeAfkPlss1 votesI don't think you know anything about pyke.. because if you knew you'll know he already only regens out of combat AND out of enemy vision two conditions
letsfeedtogether10 votesNo. he dosent. he need to be out of vision. thats the only thing. i play pyke and i know.
just e w and youre out of vision and get get back to 80% hp
LetMeAfkPlss1 votesI never saw a pyke heal while being hit by enemies abilties pyke used to be my main don't play pyke when you are drunk
edit: if you hit him while he's already regenerating that's because he entered stealth an he's out of vision and his healing can be interrupted it's not the other way around that he'll start healing while you are hitting him
being out of vision is already inclusive of being out of combat btw :/ (for a melee champ at least)
letsfeedtogether6 votesjust look at pyke healing when ignite on.
LetMeAfkPlss2 voteshey buddy ignite isn't combat it's a dot learn the difference pyke starts healing as soon as he's out of vision and no minion or enemy is attacking him yeah that technically means you can't kill pyke with ignite unless he's like 1 health left
letsfeedtogether3 votesIgnite is on combat damage. You cannot use herald when having ignite on you. Learn the game
letsfeedtogether8 votesbtw. from wiki : "When Pyke is unseen by enemies, he rapidly consumes his Grey Health to Heal power heal for the same amount."
so i see you know so much you dont even know when his passive heal...
LetMeAfkPlss1 voteseye of herald is a channel...........ignite interruts it pyke's healing isn't a channel I killed a pyke with ignite on before but unlike you I kept attacking him to not go out of vision not waited for his passive to kick in so clearly I know more than you about how pyke works
letsfeedtogether4 voteseye of herald cannot be used in combat.
LetMeAfkPlss1 votesduh because it's a channel why is this so hard to understand?
letsfeedtogether4 votesJesus. If ignite put it on cd. It mean? Ignite is? Think a little bit. I dont know why i am even talking with you. I gave you proff youre wrong.
LetMeAfkPlss1 votesI have no idea what you are saying right now eye of herald is bad example it works nothing like ignite ignite is a dot it's like when you walk from udyr's q with some health left and still die cause it's a DOT pyke has a passive to survive it it's not an in combat damage that's how pyke's passive works
how did you prove me wrong? you can not enter combat with pyke when he's out of vision it's common sense, and if you somehow did you can interrupt the healing as long as you did it quickly because healing is faster towards the end so gl with that
you linked me to a wiki saying he heals out of vision that doesn't deny what i said because being out of vision is inclusive of being out of combat
letsfeedtogether3 votesI guess you do not know that youre out of vision even with ignite on when in w. There for youre still in combat. Lets not forget. A DOT is STILL damage. THERE FOR YOURE IN COMBAT anfld the eye is a great example. Because of the fact you cannot use it in combat.
letsfeedtogether2 votesjesus do you even try to read or just see what you want to see
Nea10421 votesHis creator: "Chasing the possibility of a pentakill on a support is awesome". This is the kind of people "working" on this game. What do you expect? Answer: Season 8.
They aren't gonna do sh anything about it, as for every other annoying thing in this (wonder why) sinking game.
3TWarrior4 votesit is awesome, but at the same time rathe hard to balance for someone DESIGNED as a support and this gold-sharing mechanic is fairly unhealthy
post 6, this is an extra 300 gold per kill with his ultimate and no penalty in his kit anywhere else to compensate
Nea1043 votesOn a support? No, it's not. It's the perfect, exact opposite of what being a support for your team means. Pyke was clearly designed for autofilled wannabe superheroes ("I'm gonna solo-carry, even if I'm not playing mid" = not a support), and for the absurd meta they got us in.
That incompetent statement just shows how poor-skilled the people designing this game are, along with that they only aim for some "flashy-fortnitestyle-360noscope" actions in order to satisfy the youngest (or maybe just the simplest) minds left here.
This perfectly fits the horrible state of the whole season 8, and of course of the present season 9.
3TWarrior5 votesto be fair, support has never had a clear design goal. Traditional supports (which I think are basically enchanters now? not sure but I was basically going to classify them as healers, shielders and enchanters) tended to help by keeping people alive, but had a problem that they were rarely in a good state because any moment could push their sustain power over the top and allow a win, so they were in a tough spot
then we have supporting mages, who give up crowd control and utility for damage and control/zoning capabilities. These were often popular because they could fall back on their mage characteristics if their carry could not be relied upon or was killed
mage supports (like zilean though he's more enchanter, still has a high damage output)
tank supports or support tanks
kill lanes
unclassified supports such as blitzcrank and his instant kill pressure but decent tank ability
support is one of the most varied positions and has little defined objective other than to "help achieve victory, typically by benefitting another team member or the team in some manner but not limited to this"
with the jungle changes, there's talk of the second top-laner strategy coming back
#what has made the game get more than a little out of control, however, is gold income. Support used to be defined by being able to function at less income than other team members. Riot introduced support items to help this and that was fine, now we're getting supports that can have an income EQUAL to their laner or potentially GREATER and that can cause a lot of problems
GinoSoldier2 voteswhat has made the game get more than a little out of control, however, is gold income. Support used to be defined by being able to function at less income than other team members. Riot introduced support items to help this and that was fine, now we're getting supports that can have an income EQUAL to their laner or potentially GREATER and that can cause a lot of problems
Allow me to disagree; The problem with the support role is that they're by definition dependent on their team to execute plans based off of what they can bring as utility, but Enchanters especially are almost exclusively meant to be the ADC's pet companion, and and that just isn't fun whatsoever.
I think the solution is a major gameplay overhaul of what is expected of the support role in the early game. Bind support income items to them only, make the items require higher skill to earn that money, and let them roam the map where they're to aid any of the now three solo-lanes or jungle. Give them a full laner (or at least jungler's) income, modify their item pool accordingly (2500-3500 worth gold items with passives that don't stack among players, as well as promote helping other classes than ADCs). And then balance every single champion's early game for high interaction solo lanes.
The logic being; if everyone stands on the same ground, it becomes clearer how to balance them out.
Of course, that's a major fuckload of work, but really, what else than a major fuckload of work is going to permanently fix the game's issues at this point? There's clearly also other options, but this is the one i'd go for.
Shiroe Okazaki10 votesThey made his base armor insanely high so he cant die early anyway. Then hes a hard cc assassin with low cooldowns. and a tahm kench passive cause why not
Daddy Ants5 votes[{quoted}](name=Shiroe Okazaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EsXj1vG3,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-08T14:24:34.615+0000)
They made his base armor insanely high so he cant die early anyway. Then hes a hard cc assassin with low cooldowns. and a tahm kench passive cause why not
because supposed to be high risk high rewards!1111
Hes low risk EXTREMELY HIGH REWARD
Profirix5 votesActually his passive is FAR better than Tahm's regen. But he doesn't get a shield.
ModAcademy Kayn10 votesI think people should actually go try playing Pyke, and they'd see he's a lot harder than they give him credit for.
boricCentaur17 votesUmmm no pyke is fine he should not be nerfed since you don't want to learn how to play around him like almost every tank support can very easily cc him and he will die ms is not a good escape. Also the only way pyke can survive most fuck ups is if you let him most of the time like it sounds like your just not doing anything and just letting escape for free while your just afk like have you tried cc or to follow him so he can't heal up there is a lot of counter play to it your just not going it.
Serika Zero57 votesHow about a dash combined with a stun to anyone that follows him.
How's that for an escape.
boricCentaur14 votes[deleted]
Serika Zero24 votesSo, you're telling me that if I were to play something like thresh or Alistar. and my jungler comes to gank, and I engage on pyke. The squishy assassin.
He won't just dash away? And stun me in the process? That if I make a pick on him in the jungle because he is roaming without vision, but I don't have enough damage to kill him in 1 second, he won't just dash away and get almost full hp?
Like I get that his usual combo is hook into stun. or better said invisibility to position yourself into hook into stun.
But that's like saying Zed doesn't have an escape when his ult is on cool down because his usual combo is with w used aggressively.
boricCentaur11 votesMy post was about pyke taking a bad fight so this has nothing to do with anything in my post like if you take it out of my post out of context then yes im wrong.
Serika Zero17 votesThat's why most people down voted you. the original post was complaining how pike doesn't really get punished for his mistakes because he can easily escape them.
Yeh if pyke does a bad engage (not just hook but e in too), that's the one mistake he can get punished for. But pretty much all other mistakes aren't that punishing for him.
You replied that you should play bot lane tanks and kill him easily, but that only happens if he fully engages. If he doesn't, it's not gonna happen :)
It just seems like we interpreted the op different
Salvor Hardın35 votesis not a good escape
He's awesome at escaping, Slow on the Q, Speed on the W and Dash with stun on the E.
boricCentaur13 votes[deleted]
Salvor Hardın32 votesso saying that already makes you look dumb
Look at the negatives you have in the first comment to know who looks dumb. Have a nice day.
boricCentaur11 votesOk not saying how im wrong so fucking what if im I downvotes it means nothing. Also grear job saying how im wrong o wait you don't and just give up lol.
Salvor Hardın21 votesOk not saying how im wrong so fucking what if im I downvotes it means nothing
Wrong, it has a meaning, it means that the readers do not agree with what you say.
Also grear job saying how im wrong o wait you don't and just give up lol.
I don't need to convince you, if I know that most people disagree with what you say.
What no he is not his q and e will be down when he tries to escape
If you fail your 2 abilities with CC.... why would you deserve to escape? the normal thing is that you are punished, receiving damage, but this is resolved by the passive, so you go back and heal as if nothing had happened.
If apart from failing your abilities, you eat a CC, yes, you deserve to die for your mistake, however, if you manage to escape with little life, the passive heals you and we go back to the beginning.
Thilmer3 votes[{quoted}](name=Salvor Hardın,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EsXj1vG3,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-03-08T12:31:50.687+0000)
He's awesome at escaping, Slow on the Q, Speed on the W and Dash with stun on the E.
And becomes invisible on top of that.
GreenKnight8 votesUmmm no pyke is fine he should not be nerfed since you don't want to learn how to play around him like almost every tank support can very easily cc him and he will die ms is not a good escape. Also the only way pyke can survive most fuck ups is if you let him most of the time like it sounds like your just not doing anything and just letting escape for free while your just afk like have you tried cc or to follow him so he can't heal up there is a lot of counter play to it your just not going it.
Most of my other supports don't have ways of running away when they go in. Why should he be so different and safe?
When he goes in, he should stay there, or face consequences.
boricCentaur11 votesWhen he goes and tries to escape he is just leo with more ms and not a tank and his passive will only heal about 1/3 early and 1/2 late with full build so he does face consequences like you act like he just presses e then runs away with w and will take 0 damage but when he goes in he will take a lot of damage and only heal a small part of it and if he gets cced he will die most of the time.
GreenKnight6 votesWhen he goes and tries to escape he is just leo with more ms and not a tank and his passive will only heal about 1/3 early and 1/2 late with full build so he does face consequences like you act like he just presses e then runs away with w and will take 0 damage but when he goes in he will take a lot of damage and only heal a small part of it and if he gets cced he will die most of the time.
Leona has NO escapes. He can dash and disappear, while stunning enemies. Leo can do no such a thing, she goes in and then fights there.
Not to mention that she cannot heal herself when she moves out of the enemies sight.
boricCentaur12 voteswtf are you talking about if pyke fucking goes in then tries to escape HOW WILL HE HAVE DASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and again he heals after he gets away meaning it has nothing to do with the escape. what can pyke do to escape tell me other then run, pyke's e has a long cooldown so it wont be up since that is what he goes in with, his q might be up but that slows q 20% hmm I seems like all he can do is run away like leo only without the armor and mr.
GreenKnight5 voteswtf are you talking about if pyke fucking goes in then tries to escape HOW WILL HE HAVE DASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and again he heals after he gets away meaning it has nothing to do with the escape. what can pyke do to escape tell me other then run, pyke's e has a long cooldown so it wont be up since that is what he goes in with, his q might be up but that slows q 20% hmm I seems like all he can do is run away like leo only without the armor and mr.
W in, go out with E. OR, Q in, stun with E, go out with W. Or ult at the end of the dash. There are many options.
I'm not saying he cannot be countered, i'm saying that he's much more safe than other supports.
Tragic Positive4 votesTo be honest, I don't know why everyone downvoted you but you're right. People in lower elo don't counter pick. When you're up against a Pyke, just pick Leona or Alistar and Pyke won't do a thing. You want to know why he has so much escape? Because he dies in one stun. Stop going for the Yi picks or the Graves picks when you're dealing vs a team of assassins.
boricCentaur12 votesThe funny thing is there was that whole thing with riot august saying the boards are useless since there is so much bandwagons and look at this someone makes a post about a ok champion being boken with 0 proof and I make a post saying he is wrong then people say im wrong while giving reason that make no sense. He was right the people on the board will just follow hate even if it makes no sense.
Count Calculus6 votesThe funny thing is there was that whole thing with riot august saying the boards are useless since there is so much bandwagons and look at this someone makes a post about a ok champion being boken with 0 proof and I make a post saying he is wrong then people say im wrong while giving reason that make no sense. He was right the people on the board will just follow hate even if it makes no sense.
Hello, professional calculus here, I thought I might shed some light on why people downvoted you.
Formatting: Your original post has quite a few grammar mistakes. Most people can look past something like usage (wrong “to”, “there”, or “your”), but when you post what could easily be 3-4 sentences with two periods and no commas, it’s going to sound like you’re rambling (even if you’re not). Now, this shouldn’t be a factor in your downvotes since this would normally lead to people just ignoring your comment (or being sassy and asking you to speak English), but points (2), (3), and (4), coupled with the fact that your post is readable (just not pleasantly readable), it actually plays a factor.
Attitude: Your attitude in many of your comments comes off as... less than pleasant. I’m on a phone, so I’m only going to pick apart your first comment since it’s the one I remember best and garnered the most downvotes. You start off with “Ummm, no” which is already enough to piss some people off, but then your argument basically boils down to “lol, what’s wrong with you, just learn how to play against him.” At this point, you’ve already done enough damage to make people want to stop reading and downvote you, even if anything afterwards is completely factual. Even if this wasn’t enough to make people downvote you on its own, pairing it with point (1) makes for a deadly combo.
Blind Downvoting: Yes, this can happen. People agree with something so much, they try to downplay anyone who disagrees with them. The only way to combat this is by writing a well founded, cohesive argument... which has been thrown out the window by points (1) and (2).
Aggressive Diction and Punctuation: Phrases like “you’re stupid” offer nothing to an argument and are just begging for downvotes. Not to mention some of your comments have phrases in all caps with several exclamation marks following them. This just makes it seem like you’re yelling insults at them, and when was the last time you actually listened to someone who was only shouting insults?
With all of these combined, it’s not hard to see how you garnered so many downvotes, regardless of how correct your argument may have been.
Edit: Damn autocorrect kept changing “downvotes” to “downvoted”. That, or my thumbs are too fat. Either way, let me know if you see any errors.
HiredGûn1 voteshis argment is blatently wrong, and i honestly feel bad that you spent the time to type all this out for that sad soul
Count Calculus3 voteshis argment is blatently wrong, and i honestly feel bad that you spent the time to type all this out for that sad soul
I wouldn’t say his argument is blatantly wrong, though at the end of the day he is making a huge mistake (and no, I’m not talking about how many times he made “you are” possessive). He only discussed pyke’s engage in the context of his E, and ignored his W. Pyke is (semi-) punishable after his E (though you have to actually get away from the stun, which a good Pyke can use to disengage if he misses), but if his W is up and he gets enough space he’s gone. Any damage you did will be mostly healed up, and he’ll come back in 15 seconds. Herein lies the problem: both Pyke’s E and W can function as engage and disengage, and as long as they’re both up when he goes in, he’s not really punishable without hard CC (and even then it can be tricky).
Ravenhale3 votesI pick Poppy into Pyke. He can't engage as long as I have her anti dash.
3TWarrior2 voteswhile an effective strategy (and probably a fun one at that), counterpicking is not what champions should be based around because counter-picking is optional and not always available (first pick for instance)
sir d wreck1 votesTo be honest, I don't know why everyone downvoted you but you're right. People in lower elo don't counter pick. When you're up against a Pyke, just pick Leona or Alistar and Pyke won't do a thing. You want to know why he has so much escape? Because he dies in one stun. Stop going for the Yi picks or the Graves picks when you're dealing vs a team of assassins.
You do realize that saying 'just counterpick x champion' doesn't always work, because there many times is times where you can't counterpick due to pick order. Like if you're first/second pick you're pretty much forced to pick OP champs or very safe ones (who still can be counter picked) - or play who you want and risk getting hard counterpicked... happens to me literally all the damn time. I seem to always get one of the first pick champs when I play league, and I play champs that are easily counterpicked, so your advice is pretty much completely useless to me, except for the odd times I get to be last pick. Also, just in case you say I can ban him, there is many OP champs these days so, again, banning doesn't matter unless I rly hate one champ. My ranked buddy bans Vayne every game, and basically begs me to ban a second champ for him.. I've had to carefully explain to him that I absolutely need my ban too. This really shows that there is too many broken champs atm. Also, you're asking me to give up my Yasuo ban, which you can pry from my cold dead fingers while I respawn. It's hard to decide what cancer you want to get destroyed by sometimes.
Edit: I don't dislike league too much like many others on the boards, but I definitely miss the days where I can ban counterpicks, instead of completely broken champs. This 'damage meta' Riot defined is very annoying in some ways.
Tragic Positive1 votes[{quoted}](name=sir d wreck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EsXj1vG3,comment-id=000100030003,timestamp=2019-03-08T19:33:28.946+0000)
You do realize that saying 'just counterpick x champion' doesn't always work, because there many times is times where you can't counterpick due to pick order. Like if you're first/second pick you're pretty much forced to pick OP champs or very safe ones (who still can be counter picked) - or play who you want and risk getting hard counterpicked... happens to me literally all the damn time. I seem to always get one of the first pick champs when I play league, and I play champs that are easily counterpicked, so your advice is pretty much completely useless to me, except for the odd times I get to be last pick. Also, just in case you say I can ban him, there is many OP champs these days so, again, banning doesn't matter unless I rly hate one champ. My ranked buddy bans Vayne every game, and basically begs me to ban a second champ for him.. I've had to carefully explain to him that I absolutely need my ban too. This really shows that there is too many broken champs atm. Also, you're asking me to give up my Yasuo ban, which you can pry from my cold dead fingers while I respawn. It's hard to decide what cancer you want to get destroyed by sometimes.
Edit: I don't dislike league too much like many others on the boards, but I definitely miss the days where I can ban counterpicks, instead of completely broken champs. This 'damage meta' Riot defined is very annoying in some ways.
Since DOTA on Wc3, team composition has been a big part of the MOBA genre, wether you like it or not. When i see my team mates (for example) picking all squishy AD characters when they see a jungle rammus and another tank top on the other team, I tell myself it's almost a guaranteed lost. You don't have to be in the same lane to counterpick. You can be in the jungle and pick Rammus to gank a bot lane with Pyke for example. But people always go for the greed picks and don't care about team composition. That's why they stay in gold and lower divisions.
