Today I had a very bad game ending in 0/5/1 and I need help on how to counter Veigar with runes, items and masteries. Also, can someone tell me all the other problems I'm having besides having to face Veigar? I'm uh, learning Azir so I'll need all the help I can get. (the mastery 7 i got on him means nothing about my skill.)
Death by Glamour8 votesaltering your build path by going some heavy AP/HP items
grabbing a banshees
taking cleanse
Lucrativic1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pink Leg Warmers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yvHvxwIK,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-19T23:58:29.972+0000)
altering your build path by going some heavy AP/HP items
grabbing a banshees
taking cleanse
Thanks, this'll help me out greatly!
Pentch5 votesIf he Veigar does end up catching you in his E, then don't touch the edges of the cage. You'll be surprised at how much room there actually is to sidestep and dodge his other abilities when he catches you in the cage. Since you play Azir, you also have plenty of freedom to attack him from while you are trapped inside of Veigar's cage too (still focus on dodging while attacking). Another thing I think you should try is to build zhonyas
. When to build it is your choice, but I would not rush zhonyas and build it first. The utility of zhonyas can be more useful than the numbers, but use it when you see Veigars ult flying towards you :)
Also, MrFawkinSunshine is wrong about the HP!!! If you build more HP then veigar's ultimate will deal more damage to you while you are low. Veigars ultimate deals damage based on the percentage of HP you are missing from your champion. So if you are missing 2/3's of your health veigar only has to hit the R button whenever he's in range! He's right about the mercury's treds 
though :)
Do not put HP seals on azir.
Hope this helps -Pentch
Automated Riven1 votesAlso unless he is crazy fed/farmed feel free to walk into the stun if he traps you and it's other only way to dodge his dark matter. He needs a full rotation to kill you so without follow-up from his team your safe.
Brutalitops011 votes[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yvHvxwIK,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-06-19T23:42:28.154+0000)
Also unless he is crazy fed/farmed feel free to walk into the stun if he traps you and it's other only way to dodge his dark matter. He needs a full rotation to kill you so without follow-up from his team your safe.
Late game he'll only need W and R to kill you. Walking into the stun wall at that point is a death sentence. If his ult is up, walking into the wall in general is probably a death sentence unless you already dodged his W.
Automated Riven1 voteslate game he likely has 1k-12k ap. I was refuring to laning phase when he is still scaling. Also I did say that walking into his stun to dodge his w was viable because he needed it to kill you. Most viegars, if they catch you in the stun cage, drop w in the middle in an attempt to hit in within the paramiters of the stun. Simply stunning yourself to dodge the w saves your life if its your only option unless he is strong enough to kill you with q-r which is far past laning phase and and into midgame (IF CRAZY FED) and late game (crazy farmed)
Brutalitops011 votesIf he Veigar does end up catching you in his w, then don't touch the edges of the cage. You'll be surprised at how much room there actually is to sidestep and dodge his other abilities when he catches you in the cage. Since you play Azir, you also have plenty of freedom to attack him from while you are trapped inside of Veigar's cage too (still focus on dodging while attacking). Another thing I think you should try is to build zhonyas. When to build it is your choice, but I would not rush zhonyas and build it first. The utility of zhonyas can be more useful than the numbers, but use it when you see Veigars ult flying towards you :)
Hope this helps -Pentch
His E is the stun cage. His W is the massive AoE nuke.
Lucrativic1 votesIf he Veigar does end up catching you in his E, then don't touch the edges of the cage. You'll be surprised at how much room there actually is to sidestep and dodge his other abilities when he catches you in the cage. Since you play Azir, you also have plenty of freedom to attack him from while you are trapped inside of Veigar's cage too (still focus on dodging while attacking). Another thing I think you should try is to build zhonyas
Also, MrFawkinSunshine is wrong about the HP!!! If you build more HP then veigar's ultimate will deal more damage to you while you are low. Veigars ultimate deals damage based on the percentage of HP you are missing from your champion. So if you are missing 2/3's of your health veigar only has to hit the R button whenever he's in range! He's right about the mercury's treds
Do not put HP seals on azir.
Hope this helps -Pentch
Thanks for the help, I'll need to get more runepages dedicated against champions. Also, when do I get zhonya's? Second item or first, if at all?
Automated Riven1 votesYou probably would want to itemize zhonyas third if you pick it up. Altho banchees it likely a better option due to the AP and spell shield with a late zhonyas.
Bob the Toastr1 votesQuick reminder that percentage of missing health means that it will do the same amount of damage at 33% health (before resistances) whether you are a 
or a 
.
Brutalitops012 votesBanshee's lets you walk through the stun wall without caring.
Champions with blinks can also go through it pretty easily.
I personally like Leblanc and Katarina against him. He can't trap Kat in his stun wall and Leblanc can just W out of it while it's forming (or have him form it around her after she W's in and then W back to it) without caring a whole lot.
Champions who can outrange him, when played well, are also really good against him. Someone like an Azir can keep soldiers on him with Rylai's and kite around him for days until he dies, or someone like Aurelion Sol with Rylai's booping him with the stars.
Final recommendation is Fiora. Why? She can use W during her Q dash. As a result, she can dash into the stun wall, block the stun, and then stun him instead and use it as a mini gap closer (especially if minions are nearby for her to hit with the Q to get the cooldown reset).
Pentch1 votesBanshee's lets you walk through the stun wall without caring.
Champions with blinks can also go through it pretty easily.
I personally like Leblanc and Katarina against him. He can't trap Kat in his stun wall and Leblanc can just W out of it while it's forming (or have him form it around her after she W's in and then W back to it) without caring a whole lot.
Champions who can outrange him, when played well, are also really good against him. Someone like an Azir can keep soldiers on him with Rylai's and kite around him for days until he dies, or someone like Aurelion Sol with Rylai's booping him with the stars.
Final recommendation is Fiora. Why? She can use W during her Q dash. As a result, she can dash into the stun wall, block the stun, and then stun him instead and use it as a mini gap closer (especially if minions are nearby for her to hit with the Q to get the cooldown reset).
You're telling this person all about the champs that counter Veigar but nothing about which items azir works well with and that counter veigar at the same time.
Death by Glamour2 votesLeblanc W doesnt pass through event horizon
Steelflame1 votesThe back blink does, and he said that you can dash in/out as it's forming (Which isn't wrong, but is risky).
Brutalitops011 votes[{quoted}](name=Pink Leg Warmers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yvHvxwIK,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2017-06-19T23:56:15.136+0000)
Leblanc W doesnt pass through event horizon
Leblanc's first cast of W doesn't pass through Event Horizon. The second cast is a blink, and therefore does.
Meep Man2 votesVeigar's Threat Level When You Can't Get Around Event Horizon: 12/10 Veigar's Threat Level When You Can Get Around Event Horizon: 4/10 (at best)
If you are Azir, just be sure to be prepared to quickly use E when he casts his E. Also Banshee's Veil is almost required here.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteschamps with burst and gap closers are good vs him... high mobility... you can dodge his damage and cc and you can get to him and he is slow, squishy and very very immobile
items like 
would be helpful ... HP is always good... cuz the more you have the harder it is to 1 shot you.
runes i would run scaling HP seals, flat MR BLUES
Arakadia1 votesAdaptive Helm would be terrible. Its already not the strongest item, but against a burst mage who only uses 3 spells to burst you and than can't do it for a lone time, you'd NEVER get to use its passive against him. Or rarely once he gets CDR.
AwesomeGuyDj1 votesI assume his E would proc the 15% reduction, so that means by just starting his combo you already take less dmg. (no clue tho)
Arakadia1 votesNope. Adaptive Helm would reduce the damage you take from his E and only his E by 15% for the duration. And his E does no damage
Adaptive Helm only reduces damage from that same spell.
AwesomeGuyDj1 votesOh shit. I've been reading it wrong the whole time.
DarkRitual1 votesNo amount of runes or masteries will help against 1000 AP Veigar. As for Items, anything with chunks of hp and magic resist work best. A quick Zhonyas can cancel his ult when it's traveling in midair. Otherwise, it's a team effort to cc layer and bplow him up.
Lucrativic1 votesWhat do I get for summoner spells? Exhaust or Cleanse?
LadyRenly1 votesAzir has range, you should dumpster him and make him cs with only using Q
Legacy Hydralpha1 votesEvade Veigar's spells. His E will be the hardest to avoid, so I recommend spacing away from him and abusing your range advantage and maybe taking a Banshee's Veil (just in case you need to walk through it) Veigar's only ability that doesn't need aiming is his ultimate, but because it's an execute it's more reliant on him landing his other nukes. Other than that, Veigar is squishy, and can die rather quickly.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesGrab QSS for his stun or wait for him to waste stun/bait it then engage a teamfight, his stun is the crippling part about facing him.
And yes even those who aren't building the final product can buy qss until the late/end game come. (I wish qss had more build paths... hell tanks could use a nice and more interactive active item)
CrimsonLotus31 votesAbuse him early
Kai Guy1 votesPlay him a few times until your able to cast his E and get stuns off instinct. At this point you should know his range and be able to give yourself room to evade being boxed inside his stun or hit by it. As Azir some times you may want to use WEQ to move closer to him if he wiffs or over casts his stun and W combo. Do this if your healthy and have some vision as he ideally he wont be able to just 2 shot you with a QR. Position behind multiple minions so he cant hit you with Q penetration. as mentioned Clense really hurts him when he wants that late game 100% nuked hp EWQR wombo.
MoldyCheese11 voteswell a big problem is your playing azir and vei is kinda bullshit gotta zone him and make sure no one feeds
ApexInTheCircle1 votesI'd like to interject here. Regardless of who you play, regardless of who you plan on playing get a . As someone who played Veigar almost non stop in s1-4 nothing triggers me worse than a Banshee's veil. Also I'll pick one up as a 3rd item when against a Veigar in mid lane. Couple that with a Zhonyas and you will send the poor bastard home crying. Since his ult speed is fairly slow you should be able to Zhonya it.
PePsiLemoNN1 votes
Or just dodge his R like all the skilled players do :^) /s
General Esdeath 1 votesAs Azir? Poke him out of lane and freeze it, bring MR runes and block his Q if it's going to kill 2 enemies.
As a general? Take 
and snowball hard early, make sure your other lanes are winning and help them if they need it, and end the game before he can get 300 AP.
Divewing1 votesTalon is actually an iffy matchup now that his dash is no-blinko
General Esdeath 1 votesHe is, but early game cheese is a great thing. Plus roaming is much easier.
Divewing1 votesAh, the good ole classic "If-I-can't-fight-you-I'll-just-get-fed-off-bot-lane" strats
General Esdeath 1 votesDid you read my original post at all? I said snowball your lane AND THEN roam because YOU have to make sure your team can end before 30 minutes.
Divewing1 votesI mean if you wanna be a dick about it..
On no planet should a 1/2 decent veigar be dying to a talon early. If he is, it's either a case of god-like talon, or trash can veiagr. Hell maybe even both.
So don't give me this crap about "reading your OP" when it's completely based around ideal circumstances.
Jesus who shat in your coffee this morning...
General Esdeath 1 votes"Before 300 AP"
Key words, no deaths were included here. What are you more afraid of, a Talon with 2 kills or a Talon up 60 cs on your mid who know has a ghostblade and mobis? You know how Veigar avoids dying? Playing back and missing CS, getting shoved under tower by an AD champ who can W a whole wave, and can hop over walls to help his bot.
And I don't drink coffee I'm fasting REEEE
Divewing1 votesI'm more concerned about my bot lane getting dicked on cos snowballing is a bitch
General Esdeath 1 votesIt doesn't even need to be a snowballed talon though, if it's someone immobile like 
Talon can slow them, bleed them, and force a flash/heal.
Not to mention the tilt :^)
Lucrativic1 votesWhoo, if a veigar gets near me now i'll stick that staff he has up his ass.
What I've gathered=
BANSHEES VEIL
BANSHEES VEIL
AMAZHONYA
QSSCLEANSE
GRAB ANOTHER DAMN BANSHEES
All jokes aside, other than a banshees I get merc treads, adaptive helm, and another side of BANSHEE'S
ltmetal1 votesMy absolute favorite Veigar counter is Olaf, because he can beastmode into Veigar every time Ragnarok comes up and Veigar can't burst Olaf unless he neglects MR, leaving Olaf with no fear of death and two attack speed steroids. If you don't like Olaf or want to pick something more meta for mid lane, Ekko is great. Mobility to dodge Veigar's basic abilities, and his ult cancels out Veigar ult.
AmazoX1 votesYou want someone mobile that can negate Veigar's Event Horizon ability (The cc prison) because those champions are perfect to destroy veigar.
Lucrativic1 votesHey guys, quick question!
Against a veigar I cannot take any risks, so would building 
and good?
WitchQueen Annie1 votesIn lane?
He basically only has a Q to hit you; everything else should be easy to dodge. When he cages, it shows you where it will cage so you can dodge it. When he uses his dark matter drop, it also shows you where it will hit before it does. So once you play around these telegraphed warnings, he can really only trade with 1 Q, that's 1 spell (and you can juke/dodge it too).
Every time he Q farms or tries to hit a Q on you, trade him back with a full combo. Anything else he tries to hit back with you can reliably dodge.
His level 1 R does very little damage. Most mages have a stronger R at that point.
I recommend playing 
into Veigar. You have a LOT more reliable damage in lane. Dodge the cage and dark matter drops. Every time he launches a Q... just counter with your undodgeable Q and a Death Ray... BOOM, thunderlords. Your level 6 is massively stronger too. When he misses a combo you can go in with Chaos Storm on top of him and a surprise Gravity Field behind/besides him.
Lucrativic1 votesI just had a game against Veigar, where I ended up 0/3/2. I don't think the instructions may be clear enough. My jungler tried to gank but died to veigar (that was after i got ganked by rammus) Clarify?