riven and vayne currently 60% winrate in korea

BUT VAYNES BROKEN AND OVERPOWERED!! NERF HER NERF HERR- consumed by hatred

saying she is #23 in best winrate of master is a bit misleading.

She has 800 games played in Korean master for the past month, the highest of any champion, and maintains a 59% winrate. Thats opposed to the other champions that that take the best winrates - champs like Pantheon, Trundle, and Leona, who have only 5 games played.

To be entirely fair, her winrates are above 50% at every single level of play, which might be indicative of her being too reliably powerful compared to other ADCs. A 59% winrate in Master (one of the highest levels of play) tier, coupled with the fact that she has the single most amount of played games out of the top 20 champions is alarming. Perhaps she needs a power-shift, rather than a nerf, so her strengths and weaknesses are a bit more defined.

I'm biased against Riven so I won't comment.

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youre lying... http://www.op.gg/statistics/champion/ <--- korean statistics

vayne stats: all elo: 51% bronze: 50% silver: 51% gold: 52% plat: 52% dia: 53% master: 59% (note: she's 23th best winrate of master) challenger: 53%

WHAT ARE THESE FACTS DOING HERE? I want hysterical qqing not facts man

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youre lying... http://www.op.gg/statistics/champion/ <--- korean statistics

vayne stats: all elo: 51% bronze: 50% silver: 51% gold: 52% plat: 52% dia: 53% master: 59% (note: she's 23th best winrate of master) challenger: 53%

Garen isn't even above 50% over there.

Wow we suck.

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Yep, she's already here, racking up downvotes like I rack up Iron Arrows in Skyrim.

I think by "we" OP meant:

Rito riven/vayne players white knights with shit instead of brain

I don't think they are balanced, I just don't agree they are broken and impossible to deal with.

Whenever I try to explain beating them I get the sense they ignore that part and rather downvote me.

The gyazo links are not working for me, by the way.

But thank you for being the person to call someone out for calling something out.

On the other hand, nerfing Vayne/BotRK would just end up making jinx/sivir winrates skyrocket (again). The issue is systemic within the marksman role.

Thanks for a levelheaded and clear response to the OP, I'm pretty sure you said all that really needed to be said.

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Their win rates mean that the people who main them over there most likely know how to impact a game. I had a Riven top who was 1/3 but she tp'd bot whenever she could and snowballed our Cait and we won. Doesn't mean the champ themselves is "OP broken gg riot nerf pls"

You do realize theyre the most picked champions for their role and in Vayne's case the entire game.

Korea bronze = NA master tier.

There's a post above you that shows where they are. Master is the only point in which Vayne/Riven reach 60% winrate. Anything below or above is around 50-54.

Sounds like a lie. 10% hp + 50, 4k hp. That's 900 damage with bolts, which means she did 3.1k damage in 6 autos.

that's slightly more than 500 damage per auto.

Now Idk how much 400 armor does, but I can't imagine that after getting a 100% crit chance, she'd have enough AD to punch through 400 armor to take out 3.1k hp in 6 autos.