Holy shit...garen ulting for 1.5k true dmg ,Gp doing almost 1k true dmg by his passive,fiora doing almost 1k true dmg in like 2s.Wtf is happening with his game?!?! why is everyone has a true dmg?!?! is it like new meta o smtg??
Prospector Pete78 votesRiot likes true damage because of reasons. Next they'll make Nasus's Q do true damage or something and have 800 range. "We wanted to reward Nasus players by making it so that there is literally no counter to him."
Silents4293 votesIt's actually easier to balance true damage and control a champions power throughout the game.
GreenLore6 votesyou know.....buying health kinda helps against true damage....
Sinister Fox6 votesExcept that Garen's ult is %missing hp true damage (an execute) , Fiora's Ult true dmg is % per hit for 4 hits as well as her passive :P I'm not really complaining about true dmg but when it's % true dmg I don't think that building hp will actually matter xD
LeeDark2 votesNo, it does matter. Nobody has FULL true damage in their kits. They do some physical and some magic, and even for Vayne, some of her true damage isn't based on a percentage of your health. Until there is a champion who does percentage max health true damage on EVERY skill and auto attack, health will still be the most effective defensive stat against true damage.
Ackelope7 votesImagine someone has an ability that does 10% of the enemy's maxhp as true dmg. Now will it take longer to kill Bob the guy with 100 health, or Phil, the guy with 100 million bilion health? (Hint: It will take 10 hits each). Building health vs %maxhp true dmg doesn't help reduce or protect you from that %maxhp true dmg in any way, Vayne will still kill you about as fast. I'd say the most effective defense vs a Vayne is lots of armor to reduce her non-true dmg, and attack spd slows to prevent her from proccing silver bolts as much as you can. Mixing in a bit of health will help against her flat true dmg, but overall, building mostly health vs Vayne, Fiora, or anyone else with %maxhp true dmg will really not help you much at all.
Zavern43 votesExcept when the true damage is based off of HP.
JohnJonesy41 votescough cough vayne cough cough
ARequestOfDeath25 votescough vayne cough garen cough fiora cough
Dar Raksada1 votesyou can counter (most of) fiora's true damage through positioning though.
ARequestOfDeath6 votesyou can counter vayne's true damage by buying a 
and bursting her down
Gubaguy25 votesyou SAY that, but that never actualyl happens.
I GANK LANES5 voteswho's fault is that
Tails Doll23 votesHer E and her teammates keeping her alive. Oh and BoTRK.
I urgot about it1 votesJust catch her out?
Tails Doll14 votesJEE THANK YOU, I'LL JUT CATCH HER OUT NOW, I'LL JUST SAY FUCK YOU JANNA, FUCK YOU ALISTAR, FUCK YOU CONDEM, FUCK YOU GRAGAS, FUCK YOU STEALTH, FUCK YOU FLASH, AND CATCH HER OUT! THANK YOU FOR YOUR LIFE SAVING ADVICE.
Vexatiously1 votesWell you could play annie and do all of that with flash and a tibbers
LICENSED HOOKER7 votesOR WE CAN JUST FIX THE CHAMP??!?
I urgot about it1 votesher e's cooldown is so long, gasp who wouldve thought of that lower elo teammates dont really peel
Tails Doll9 votesGood thing I'm not low elo then.
Bârd2 votesI do it all the time
Automated Riven2 votesso do I and I am a low silver scrub
Blue Moon Wolf7 votesIn comparison:
passive is restricted to 500 damage if it hits, that is all.
E deals 10-30 Bonus true damage (+ 10-20% of his AD)
both of these you can build health to stay alive
and 
on the other hand it doesn't matter how much health you have since the damage is based off your health. Even if you don't build health you are still screwed since they can just kill you the old fashioned way.
Hotlin3 Fling10 votesForgot
2 per stack per second
Conturbatio3 votesMaking his Q deal true damage instead of physical would kill Nasus since he won't have ANY sustain and his passive would be so useless.
Grey Deaf Orthro5 votesWho needs sustain when you can one shot everything?
EvilMerodach2 votes[{quoted}](name=Prospector Pete,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoQ1M5uL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-06T14:32:01.340+0000)
Riot likes true damage because of reasons. Next they'll make Nasus's Q do true damage or something and have 800 range. "We wanted to reward Nasus players by making it so that there is literally no counter to him."
That's one way to fix the Yorick problem...
Tahm to Win45 votesThey complain about no counter play champions like Veigar stun, but then they proceed to overload champions kit with no counterplay true damage.
A Superb Villain25 votesThey complain about no counter play champions like Veigar stun, but then they proceed to overload champions kit with no counterplay true damage.
http://files.riffsy.com/images/5e98cbea4716c1e95487dbe32e999ddd/raw
Rito, why you do this to me? Rubbing salt in the wound is just poor form.
Ralanr5 votesNo counterplay to Veigar's stun? Yes there is, it's called "not touching the wall".
GreenLore6 votesthe problem was with the old veigar wall,which could spawn directly under your feet. Thus against a good veigar,there was no option to "not touch the wall"
Ralanr2 votesCan't it still do that? I'm pretty sure it still does that. What's the difference now (I don't know how far back we are going, just consider me uneducated).
GreenLore5 votesOriginally the wall was created instantly,which means that you ran around and boom there was a wall under you and you were stunned.
Now the wall actually has a slight delay,you can see where the wall will spawn before it actually appears,so if veigar puts it directly under your feet,you can simply step aside.
Grey Deaf Orthro7 votesOld Veigar's stun was instant. Good luck not touching a wall placed directly through you.
SirPacifista6 votes
These could destroy a Veigar if used wisely.
Its not that Veigar could't be countered, that bullshiit, you can easily counter him by building MR/HP and engage in battle with him right after he used his kit, because he couldnt do anything after everything is on cd.
And dont forget that you could easily evade the meteor with and with you can evade his ult, which realy isnt hard with this item.
Also he had a VERY weak early game, which could make him useless for the rest of the game if played good. There is a reason why he wasnt sen so often in LCS, because he was easy to counter if you know how to.
And by the way, if a Veigar could land his Stun directly on you, every time, then he was a very good Veigar (or you were far to predictable)
LeeDark4 votesThe stun made him incredibly safe in the early game. He wasn't weak by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, he didn't do much DAMAGE, but you also couldn't gank him. He'd just throw down his stun, zone both the laner and jungler off, and laugh. Then he'd hit six and get his first kill with ult. The problem was that Veigar never wanted to use his stun offensively early on. The stun duration isn't long enough to reliably land Dark Matter, and you didn't need the stun to harass with Q... not to mention not really wanting to harass with Q. Veigar's plan was to sit back and farm, so he could save his stun for emergencies, making him even safer. Compare this to Zed, who also has a very safe early game because of his shadow. Zed, however, wants to use his shadow to actively harass and try to get kill pressure on his opponent, giving your team windows of opportunity to gank him.
Yes, Morgana was a great counter to Veigar, but you can't base a champion's counterplay solely on champ select. Opponents of Veigar absolutely needed a way to outplay him in the early game, and making the stun harder to hit was the right way to do it. It was far too weak at first, but after the buff shortly thereafter, it has been fine.
SirPacifista2 votesyou can't base a champion's counterplay solely on champ select
That may be true, but right now many champions have a distinct advantage over Veigar, like 
and 
which are ad mids, who make Veigar ult really weak AND can ignore his cage completly.
and 
Vlad can also COMPLETLY ignore his only means of cc, reliable and with a very low cd.
Veigar cant outplay these champions, but they can outplay him with ease, thats why his old instant stun was fair for him.
And it`s not like you would hit 5 people with the stun reliable, its still circle formed and the enemys arent stupid for that too happen.
Also DOES he had and still have a VERY weak early game, even before he got nerfed, at least at lower elo, i dont talk at something under plat, most people, gold and under it just doenst understand how to play against him.
I mean, what CAN Veigar do in the first 15 min? even when he hit his stun, its not like he can kill anyone with 1 combo if you even bought one 
. Thats what most peopel dont understand, Veigar is weak, he only becomes strong when you play defensivly aka passive aginst him, if that happens then its your own fault.
But the upper chapter is more important, its unfair how he is useless against certain champions, but can block 
and 
abilities, but the above cant be blocked.
Mecha MaIphite9 votesThey complain about no counter play champions like Veigar stun, but then they proceed to overload champions kit with no counterplay %hp true damage.
Ftfy. True damage can be countered by building HP, %hp true damage is a lot harder to deal with and requires you to take different measures depending on which champion you're against.
Smitty Manjensen2 votesThey complain about no counter play champions like Veigar stun, but then they proceed to overload champions kit with no counterplay true damage.
Well to be fair, in some champs cases like garen it's conditional true damage.
TotalJerk16 votesTanks have been forced into a health meta. Rito has been giving out more health items, nerfing armor, and giving out true damage over the last season.
YumaS2Astral9 votesTanks have been forced into a health meta. Rito has been giving out more health items, nerfing armor, and giving out true damage over the last season.
Yes, but... As long as these 
are popular, stacking health will always be very risky.
Lost R5 votesThat's two champions out of the 120+ in the game, and those two have extreme caveats. Garen can only deal true damage to the villain, and Fiora has to exercise extreme maneuverability to do it properly and consistently.
therealdragon16 votes[{quoted}](name=Lost R,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoQ1M5uL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-06T15:11:35.106+0000)
That's two champions out of the 120+ in the game, and those two have extreme caveats. Garen can only deal true damage to the villain, and Fiora has to exercise extreme maneuverability to do it properly and consistently.
q true dmg
ult true dmg
ult true dmg
ult and passive true dmg
passive true dmg
ult true dmg
w true dmg
e true dmg
w true dmg
e true dmg if full fury
passive true dmg
passive true dmg
passive true dmg
passive true dmg
passive true dmg
passive true dmg
and thats it. Others that I don't play might have true dmg but thats at max like 3 others.
So....13 champs that deal true dmg.....plus maybe 2 more that I may have forgotten so 15 champs do true dmg....
edit: wow I forgot who I used to main.....thats depressing
edit 2: trundle removed due to not doing dm
Kingopants6 votes has true damage
was about to get True damage this patch but was delayed.
Villan also gets passive true damage.
therealdragon3 votes
how the hell did I forget vayne when the boards are always complaining about her? wow im dumb
also I meant current champs and in this patch, not next patch
Sozan54 votesLee doesn't deal true damage.
Passive.
Passive.
And if we want to be nitpicky:
Passive.
Passive.
I'd say that 17 out of 126(?) champions is a considerable amount, especially considering that this damage type should be rare (and %health true damage shoud be nonexistent).
Conturbatio7 votesWhat if I told you...... Everyone has the potential to deal true damage? 
Please don't kill me
TurquoiseYoshi5 votesWell stack HP then. Simple.
Except against Vayne and Fiora, those two are just ridiculous.
And Garen, but that's only one of his abilities and against the villain only.
CppL23 votesWell stack HP then. Simple.
Except against Vayne and Fiora, those two are just ridiculous.
And Garen, but that's only one of his abilities and against the villain only.
Garen does 1% of target's maximum health ,if you buy hp he"s gonna do even more true dmg :/
Catastrop8 votesAgainst the villain not everyone else.