On a scale of 1 to 10 what do you rate this item?
This item is pretty strong on 
but 
beats it by a long shot..
I do have some idea's to buff or change this item But most of those idea's are just brainstorm idea's
Wanted to discuss here what champions still use this item and if it should be changed and which way this item should be changed too
MisterHealYoGirl17 votesI like it on Kayle because it turns her into a merciless resist-shredding goddess. With Abyssal, BC, and Wit's End (Kayle can build literally any items), you're shredding 45% of your target's armor and 15%+45 MR. And that's not penetration, that's REDUCTION, meaning that your entire team is now ignoring about half of the enemy team's defenses.
Illâoi Evê Siôn2 votesDo you build Runaan's too so they all the feel the pain? That'd be devilish.
MisterHealYoGirl6 votesI used to, but it lost so much attack speed in favor of crit chance (the ONE stat that Kayle can't use) that it's not really worth it anymore; a Nashor's or a Rylai's is just more bang for your buck.
khorney1 votesso who cares about crit chance its there to stack the rageblade
Dar Raksada6 votesso who cares about crit chance its there to stack the rageblade
don't think it works with rageblade, just like devourer. It works for the damage, but not for stacking. Note how it's on attack and not on hit.
khorney1 votesit stacks there chief
LemurKick4 votesNo it does not
khorney1 votesdo tel em then how it takes less aa to get to max rageblade satcks
A Bandito1 votesIt... Doesn't? I just played kog recently and (obviously) got both of these items. They do not synergize the way you think they do.
khorney1 votesthey just did when i just uused them. maxed to 8 stackks 2 times faster
Anidan2 votesI've also tested Koggy with Rageblade and Runaan's. They don't work that way. Rageblade ticks up only per attack, whereas Runaan's affects on-hits. Since the Rageblade stacks are not on-hit effects, they cannot be stacked up any faster by Runaan's.
RisenDarkKnight2 votesI would argue that Kayle can use crit chance. I used to play AD kayle with IE and PD back in Season 3 on Twisted Treeline. AP Kayle is better, but AD kayle isn't that bad.
Zenithir1 votesAD kayle isn't that bad. I've played her as a clutch ADC pick when mine were banned.
or 
with 
as your core with items like 
in your build pool. I like to build GA as AD kayle so I can focus on ulting someone other than myself for the added utility.
Alsek11 votesExcuse me? 
:p
NavyDivea6 votesRageblade is better.
Alsek25 votesYou do realize he has more than one slot, right?
NavyDivea3 votesand all of them have better items.
Alsek10 votesIncorrect..
Rageblade, zerkers, hurricane, botrk, wits end, and frozen mallet are his ideal build currently.
My Waifu Vanilla5 votesSterak's and Maw are both way better than Wits
EcchiOtakuTM6 votes
That's all kog wnats :o, but wit's end is still weak on non-kogs
khorney4 votesteemo tf and ap varus beg to differ
EcchiOtakuTM2 votesTeemo and Varus are better off without it because most of their damage isn't on-hit but abilities
Kog maw attacks enough to want to proc rageblade, BotRK, wit's, and hurricane.
Teemo wants to rely on shrooms and varus wants to cast to proc his w
Better off going a different item like maw or the torment items instead
Only wit's end users do heavy magic damage on-hit such as kog, shyv, ww, yi, kayle, and only shyv+yi can really keep up with kog.
Alsek4 votesThis is a gross simplification of teemo. Wit's end is a core item on his tanky on hit build which is ideal against a team with more bruisers and/or tanks.
I agree, though, that if the enemy team is primarily squishy you want the full AP, NLR items on him and a LB.
LordGeovanni2 votes
love that protects versus burst and doesnt sacrifice damage
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesAbyssal or torment are better though wit's just doesn't offer enough to go for over those 2 items.
LordGeovanni1 votesit lowers the mr by less and has less overall mr when stacked nope though it gives you ap the attack speed allows you to attack more often to proc the initial damage of the poison and any damage that would have been lost through less ap is picked up by wits ends on hit damage
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesYea but it's passive is only effective for 1 target unless you get hurricane, while abyssal has an easier chance to weave in/out of combat as you please and overall safer with more damage, yes the AS might be nice but you get more damage and safety taking the abyssal and provide more benefits since the AoE mr shred is more reliable than something tied to your AA. All teemo might want if they want AS is nashoor unless they're going AD teemo then all-in for wit's if they please I guess since I don't play AD teemo.
LordGeovanni1 votesa teemo is most likely gonna be hitting the 1 guy at the edge of his auto attack range anyway its instantanious shread but over time which teemos e works on hit and over time it will be better and now you bringing in multiple items to take the place of 1 wits end for which you can bring in nashors tooth in anyway and have more attack speed meaning more of the initial proc and faster shread. teemo will never want to run into a fight to get hit and for abyssal to be working you will have to stay near the enemy you your self arnt damageing more than 1 person with your e teemo focuses on targets one at a time while useing shrooms to disrupt chasers and pathing. unless the entire enemy team can dash within 400 units of you and you have no front line having abyssal is almost never gonna be of better use than wits end though the effects are not straight forward which is why it isnt recouldnised and the attack speed and magic damage got nerfed in the marksmen changes cause tanks also share the item. it was a better item but still synergises more with teemo's kit than abyssal scepter cause teemo never wants to be in range for most of the enemy team to be effected by abyssal if he is hes most likely moments away from dieing
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesEither way abyssal offers better of what teemo wants with defensive while wit's has to AA 5 times before it gets defense/mr shred forcing teemo to actually commit to get value out of it. Again if you want AS all you need is nashoor or if you want extra mr penetration on top of your void staff you get either abyssal or torment. Wit's isn't safe for teemo since it forces commitment.
LordGeovanni1 votesteemos commit anyway as long as they arnt being targeted and the only person who can ignore a front line to fight them is an assassin most assassins being magic damage based wits end coutners them and gets him stats to coutner attack.teemo only needs to attack twice to get the same mr as abyssal and will surpass it and only auto 4 times to surpass its shread while having magic damge to make up for the loss of initial damage making it even before full stacks and more attack speed means faster procing than a teemo with no wits end still useind 2-3 items to get what wits end alone does and teemo can still build the other items omitting one of them abysaal is better on a short ranged mage or assassin teemo and his long range isnt suitable for it just cause a majority of people dont know what wits end does since its strengths arnt direct doesnt mean that abysaal is better than it
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesYou don't need 3 items for abyssal lol, you can just get abyssal and wit's is already beat for teemo. The only good AS item for teemo is nashoor. You'd need hurricane to make wit's end anywhere near effective as abyssal is.
Only way wit's end is good is on champs who deal heavy AA magic damage without heavy AP or with hurricane. Hence why the only consistent builder of it atm is kog who doubles it's AS while even on shyvanna/yi/ww they might build it but there's just better options.
Kayle could also build it but with the tools in her kit she can just buy a 450 mr item and proceed to continue building normally.
TL;DR: There's no point in building wit's end it's not that it's weak but the cost and how you trigger the effect is just unreasonable given all the new/better options there are atm. If wit's end was changed so any magic damage triggered the passive it'd be good since it does add magic damage to AAs so basic attacks would still work as normal making it a much more diverse item to use without breaking it on kog/shyv/yi.
LordGeovanni1 votesthat just means that you can have more power before you get wits end as a final item. wits end is good on champs with dot or on hit magic damage the ap is only an issue when you are a low cd caster where you have no chance to auto attack
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesBut only kog can core it, shyv/yi/ww can excel with it but there's much better options
Everyone except kog is just better off getting abyssal or nashor tooth or a completely different build that doesn't need it.
If riot changed the passive from basic attacks trigger it to magic damage it'd be a much better item for its cost and effectiveness without breaking kog/devourer users. And current ap casters wouldn't even go broken with it.
Zenithir1 votesWhat do you think of wit's end on 
vs an AP lane? Like if she was playing mid or your team is AP heavy?
She's always been great at shredding resists with her passive, scales well with AS, and loves on-hit effects.
Her core as AP is usually Nashor's, 'serkers and guinsoo's, but with this maybe as a fourth item, when you typically start building defense, would that be worth it? Or is something like abyssal or even just ignoring defense and going something like lichbane fourth item better?
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesKayle I'd usually do nashoor, zerk, rageblade, rylia, lichbane
The last item are situational, deathcap, void, hourglass, gunblade Usually in most cases build deathcap tho cause she has enough shred that you don't need void, her ulti is a free hourglass, and her self-heal and team healing MS=boost heal is boosted more with deathcap.
Vs heavy magic damage it's better to just buy the 450 mr item and continue normal building
Wit's would be better if magic damage would activate the passive but atm to really get effectiveness outta it you'd need heavy magic damage that doesn't really scale with ap like shyv, ww and MAYBE yi or you'd need hurricane which kog always builds.
You could build hurricane on kayle though if you really want wit's I guess tho since her hurricane usage is pretty cool and fun.
Kaeblen1 votescan you name a remotely comparable item that Rageblade is not currently better than?
Nahui8 votesIt's purpose is for onhit builds while still being tanky. It's on hit damage is very high. Maw gives 55 AD sure, but Wit's End is like 42 on hit magic damage or something, increased attack speed so you apply it more often, and it reduces magic resistance that stacks like 5 times, so it gets closer to 42 magic damage every time you hit them. Sure, not something you take on a champ that needs AD to scale off of, but paired with Devourer on champs like Teemo, Warwick, even Shyvana/Kogmaw, you'll see some amazing results. Oh, and Wit's End+Nashor's Tooth has extreme synergy. It's a niche item really.
Merxamers2 votesI used to find it pretty useful on Shyvana as a late-game item if i was really fed, though Rageblade might be a better choice now. May also be useful on a top-lane Nautilus; again, i'd only get it if i was pretty far ahead, though.
NavyDivea3 votesTrust me even naut doesn't want this.
Ariel the Cruel3 votesShyvana does about half Magic damage, but doesn't build any AP (Sated Rage blade excluded). If she wants to improve that magic damage, she's limited to Abyssal and Wit's. Between the 2, Wit's end synergizes better.
Naut Gets better use out of... Pretty much any AP item.
NavyDivea2 voteslike a 2, very niche. Really want zyphr back.
Jungle Lux God2 votesThe primary appeal of Wit's End should either be that it's a tank item that gives attack speed or an auto-attack based item for those that want extra magic damage but doesn't want to commit to more than one damage item. For that purpose, Wit's End does its job well enough to be worth a pick but not well enough for the player to be satisfied about getting the item.
I personally found that it's a pretty good item on Skarner and Shyvanna when your team lacks magic damage, but are better off picking other items when your team does have magic damage.
I personally think that more power should be added either to the on-hit effects of the item or to its attack speed because that's what you are buying Wit's End for. You aren't buying just as a magic resistance item, you are buying it as a magic resistance item that specifically has attack speed and an on-hit effect, and that's what needs to stand out for Wit's End to be a good pick.
Weasel Kensei2 voteswell it used to be 42... cause of Hitchhikers Guide to the Gallaxy reference. Wits End being a location in said work...
Pre ADC overhaul and lowering it to 40, it also had a 50% atk speed, now its 40%.
I feel a buff to its atk speed, and the amount of MR it can steal should be increased.
This would increase the number of champs that can use the atk speed, and the debuff/tankieness of the item. Sadly it will increase the threat of the item on the champs its good on.
SithesisLord2 votes 
Yes, no boots. Go deep or go home.
Zenithir1 votesThis build looks absolutely broken XD
Surprised you didn't throw in a Botrk for added insult to injury.
Akesgeroth1 votesWit's end is good on three champions AFAIK:
Warwick Teemo Kayle
It can be good on Aatrox as well.
Jungle Irelia likes it too P:
