Should cleanse have anti knock up added?

Arduno··45 votes·1,647 views

Cleanse reduces the power of cc for a short duration Should the ability to ignore knock ups for a short duration Be added to that or would it make it too OP?

So far I hardly see anyone using summoner 1

some love would be appreciated

34 Comments

Lunar Lunacy12 votes

How would you even time it? With things like stuns, snares, and slows it just removes existing conditions on you. How would it remove a knockup? Even if you hit cleanse midair you'd still need to take the time to fall back and hit the ground anyway

Nymzo2 votes

Maybe Cleanse could be change to you being immune to cc for a split second?

Maybe that would be too strong but at least you would use it for knock up now.

Also you would have to time it right, just like current Cleanse.

The Sword Saint1 votes

Same as current, qss, you break out of the cc but the movement isn't cc, it's movement. You can only break out of it with a different movement spell or flash.

cPXt3JHpf41 votes

What if cleanse was like morg shield but didn't block damage

Muzét7 votes

Cleanse should have an increased cooldown a bit but being able to affect suppress and knock ups too. (And QSS should be nerfed. You shouldn't be able to cleanse the suppress with it.) I'm ok with a Summoner Spell being able to get rid of a suppress (ie Malz/WW) but not the QSS.

Pendergast8911 votes

what about mercurial being able to remove suppress?

Muzét1 votes

That's a hard question. I feel kinda ok with it being able to get rid of it. But the cooldown is way too low for it. 90s cd to get rid of hard cc and a burst of move speed ? Specially the suppress one since the two spells (Malz/WW's R) force them to channel so they can be interrupted by other means. So it should have a higher CD, like one use every 2min30 ? Seems fair to me.

Slimegoon1 votes

Using an item while suppressed also makes 0 logical sense. I can't do anything but use items....[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Muzét1 votes

Well it's the only items you can use under Suppress cause it get rid of it. But you shouldn't be able to do so with the QSS at least. And the CD on Mercurial is way too low as I stated in another post.

TotalJerk2 votes

Being able to remove supressions with a summoner would ruin Malzahar.

Muzét1 votes

Do you prefer getting cleansed every 3 minutes or getting mercurial every 90s ?

TotalJerk1 votes

The Latter, because it forces them to spend 1300 to deal with you. The former completely removes Malzahar's early kill pressure for free.

Muzét1 votes

Honestly ? If you really think about it even tho you won't be always to kill him freely, it will be better to see case 1. I prefer them to waste Summoner spell on me specially when they have high cooldown rather than a cheap item that comes up almost as much as my ult.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Cleanse should have an increased cooldown a bit but being able to affect suppress and knock ups too. (And QSS should be nerfed. You shouldn't be able to cleanse the suppress with it.) I'm ok with a Summoner Spell being able to get rid of a suppress (ie Malz/WW) but not the QSS.

Then how the hell are we supposed to 1v1 a Malhazar?

Muzét1 votes

You shouldn't 1v1 Malz as a squishy. And Tank got enough cc to get rid of him.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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You shouldn't 1v1 Malz as a squishy. And Tank got enough cc to get rid of him.

...Why not?

I wasn't aware Malz was named "The Grand Duelist".

Muzét1 votes

No that's not it. He's just have a point&click hard cc that he needs to channel so he's committing to do so. And your support/tank should cc him b so you can be free.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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No that's not it. He's just have a point&click hard cc that he needs to channel so he's committing to do so. And your support/tank should cc him b so you can be free.

What does that have anything to do with 1v1's tho.

TheHappyReaperz2 votes

Cleanse already does work with knockups. If you Cleanse+Flash, it breaks your champ out of the knockup. I believe you can Cleanse, then use a movement ability to break the knockup, but I'm not sure if that interaction still exists.

Taliyah Rocks1 votes

I'm sure it would certainly see more use. There are so many knock up/knock back in this game. Knocks are like the true damage of CC, it's not reduced by tenacity and can't be broken out of.

Standgrounding1 votes

True CC

ftfy

Oelyk1 votes

A knock up can be cleansed and you can perform actions, you just cant move. Using a movement ability/flash will cancel the in air time after cleanse cancels the knock up completely.

Zephyrous X1 votes

gangplanks w puts him down it's rly weird

statelesskiller1 votes

it actually doesnt. you just start walking in mid air . . . which is even more weird. hell sometimes not even that. you just arent allowed to move. like you have access to your abilities but cant move at all but you can flash to fix everything. neat for outplays

abbbez1 votes

One thing I think they could do to make cleanse more viable option is if upon activation it if they have no cc on them at that moment would grant the caster a "spell shield" that would block the next hard cc (maybe all kinds of cc) for the next 1.5 second and if the caster had any form of cc on them it would instead cleanse it and granting them the same buff as it does now. Which is like a 66% cc reduction for like 3 seconds?

Zexvain1 votes

Why does cleanse not get someone out of Yasuo tornado, but GankPlank w does?

Eunson1 votes

Rengars Old W seems legit for everyone [slayer-jinx-unamused]

NineTailedMystic2 votes

At the sacrifice of a Summoner Spell and no healing on it.

Isildurian1 votes

Probably falls into the whole a single summoner spell/item makes a champ useless item 3070 Yasuo item 3070

Elkington VI1 votes

I think Cleanse should be merged with Ghost, such as a brief cleanse effect followed by the movement speed boost. Would be great for champs like Olaf, Udyr, etc. I mean, who doesn't want an Olaf chasing them down with even more CC immunity?

6Sfool1 votes

Maybe not cancel the current effect, but I would like it to reduce the duration of future knockups. It's annoying when you're trying to avoid cc against a knockup comp.

DarkHeadgear1 votes

Cleanse already works on knock-ups. However, it does not stop you from continuing the rising and falling of the animation but it allows you to use your displacement abilities to cancel this. Well trained LCS players often will cleanse-flash many knock-ups if it is beneficial to them.

The only alternatives to this are:

  1. Return them to the ground immediately
  2. Make cleanse produce a spell shield with a small window.

I really do not see any other way to do this. With banshee's veil, edge of night, and mercurial scimitar, I think this is unnecessary. CC being useful is essential for the health of the game so that squishy champions do not become completely dominated by a glass cannon meta. If CC was too easy to block, then squishy champions with low mobility (aka many ADCs) will have less ways to counter this kind of gameplay.

Mig891 votes

This seems directed at countering yasuo tornado

TotalJerk1 votes

Cleanse does have anti knockup if your champion has a dash.

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