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What the fuck is that Jinx buff

THE RlVER KlNG·Mar 22, 2017·47 votes·12,254 views

Jinx Zap! (W) [new effect] can now critically strike.

Jinx is fucking fine what the hell? Her lane counters Jhin and Draven were/are overperforming, yes, but why she is getting a straight damage buff on a long-range nuke + slow as an attack speed ubercarry she doesn't even need in the first place is ridiculous. It already has a 140% AD ratio.....I am so flabbergasted that Riot is even considering this when there are champions with fractions of Jinx's win and playrate still struggling, for even longer and for more direct reasons. It's not like Jinx is the most overloaded ADC in the game as it is.

But Jinx has always been one of Riot's golden children, sooooo.........

With an IE build Jinx can pretty much straight one shot people with this change I hope you all realize, especially the idiot who commented that since the immobile hypercarry has to stand still for one of her abilities it is garbage and needs a massive buff

gee does that mean every channel in the game makes its respective champion garbage?

when this buff goes to live and jinx runs around oneshotting everyone with her W, don't come crying to me since you obviously think Jinx is trash tier and needs more shit in her overloaded kit

119 Comments

TheChaoticSwedeMar 22, 201737 votes

Already said this once but: The reason is actually pretty simple. The reason why Zap's base damage and scaling is so high to begin with is because she has to have motivation to use it in mid game but with how she build right now (going around 70 - 100% crit chance) there's literally no reason why she would use it because: A: It puts Jinx, an already immobile adc, into a semi-cc locked state for a full second. She can't move at all. B: It decreases her damage output tremendously in late game because her AA crits are doing more damage than her Zap is anyway. C: Using it as an escape is stupid because the slow negates itself with point A.

There's really no reason to use Zap other than to try and finish off a champion who's too far away for you to AA. I'm honestly glad they're addressing it.

DynikusMar 22, 201712 votes

People just see a buff on an ability with 1.4 ad scaling and flip out, disregarding the fact that jinx barely builds any damage, and barely uses W as it is aside from getting a bit of poke damage or trying to finish off someone with low health. It's worthless in a fight, and barely useful outside of a fight as it hardly does any damage.

Sadistic VeigarMar 22, 20176 votes

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People just see a buff on an ability with 1.4 ad scaling and flip out, disregarding the fact that jinx barely builds any damage, and barely uses W as it is aside from getting a bit of poke damage or trying to finish off someone with low health. It's worthless in a fight, and barely useful outside of a fight as it hardly does any damage.

"jinx barely builds any damage"

oh okay right, so jinx builds tank, of course.

ModAcademy KaynMar 22, 201711 votes

Don't be pedantic. Jinx loves AS over AD items, which is what he means by "Damage"

Supreme Senpai69Mar 22, 20175 votes

Why does she love this, again? Do her rockets do on hit damage?

ChaoticPineconeMar 22, 20176 votes

Champions like Irelia love AS over AD. Champions like Kayle like AS over AP.

Jinx still wants her 350+ AD build. No, its not as high as the Essence Reaver build, which will get you to over 400 AD. But its still a very high-AD build.

NarasimhaMar 22, 20171 votes

No, she still prefer crit + AS over raw AD. AOE crockets are no joke when she's pumping them out.

GayFluffyUnicornMar 22, 20171 votes

They are when she does that with 120 AD

ChaoticPineconeMar 22, 20173 votes

When "prefering crit + AS over raw AD" means purchasing 3 raw AD items instead of 4, I dont think you can say:

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jinx barely builds any damage

(i know you didnt say it, but thats what we are responding to)

Kog'maw and his Botrk/Wits End/Runnans/Guinsoos build barely builds any damage. Jinx with her Bloodthirster/Infinity Edge/Lord Doms/Runnans/Rapidfire is still building high damage.

DivewingMar 22, 20174 votes

Add on: single-target, narrow, skillshot that can be blocked by minions/pets etc

THE RlVER KlNGMar 22, 20172 votes

Then why just arbitrarily buff and fine champion to cram more power into her kit she obviously doesn't need?

Smh did you even read what you wrote? 'Buff jinx arbitrarily because she doesn't use her w often (lie) therefore she needs a straight damage buff to it'

TheChaoticSwedeMar 22, 20171 votes

Considering Jinx gets completely shat on by the current lethality meta that has taken over ADCs and that she is outranged by most of the top picks up until mid game, yea I definitely think she needs something. Also it's not arbitrarily buffing her. She's needed a buff to her W since they reworked her Q rockets to be able to crit with Runaans. Ever since then Jinx has been streamlined to build mostly crit items and not prioritize straight AD or armor pen items.

Honestly if you're seeing Jinx's that aren't rushing Runaans straight into IE and then into RFC or Shiv then that Jinx is not playing properly.

Also she is not fine in her state. She has a streamlined buildpath on top of having a skill she literally cannot use past mid game, how is that fine in anyway? This buff is perfectly acceptable.

PermabannedGarenMar 22, 20176 votes

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Considering Jinx gets completely shat on by the current lethality meta that has taken over ADCs

You're a patch or two behind.

ChaoticPineconeMar 22, 20173 votes

But letting it crit? I hope that its a modified crit to do 1.5% or something, because the full 2.5% is a bit much.

Lategame, one of those Zaps will crit for 1750 damage. Doing that much damage from 1500 range on a primarily auto-attack based ADC is a lot, especially considering she is one of the highest DPS ADCs in the game. And in a fight, the chargeup is still long enough to not want to use it, especially if she has max stacks on her minigun. You will still out-dps your Zap with your regular autos. I think that reducing the windup or increasing the slow would be a lot better than giving her power she doesnt need and that doesnt address the pitfalls of the ability in the first place.

SzGamer227Mar 22, 20171 votes

So much this. Jinx's W is even more of a gimmick spell than MF's E.

I mean, you can pop a taser into a bush to make sure it's safe but that's about it lol.

If that buff goes through though, I'm going to be tempted to try a full AD/Crit/CDR build on Jinx, something like item 3508 item 3031 item 3094 item 3812 item 3036

Look out guys AD Caster Carry Jinx meta new OP

WinTheWarOnPantsMar 22, 201711 votes

But Jinx has always been one of Riot's golden children, sooooo.........

Definitely not true. There is one champ that riot has been sucking off since his release. https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qGsmC4jVeiXafeRt4sqdD0sl418=/0x0:1215x717/1200x800/filters:focal(591x165:785x359)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/53818171/LeeSin_Splash_11.0.jpg And now he's literally golden...

THE RlVER KlNGMar 22, 20175 votes

Notice how I said children, which happens to be the plural of child

WinTheWarOnPantsMar 22, 20171 votes

There is one

Fly Fish MasterMar 22, 20174 votes

Definitely not true

RexSaurMar 22, 20176 votes

"jinx is already fine"

If by fine you mean bottom tier then yeah.

It has been a long time since jinx was good, she needed a buff or two.

THE RlVER KlNGMar 22, 20176 votes

Lmao what are you smoking

Jinx was god tier in S5, benefitted massively from the ADC update, did very well throughout S6 and isn't subpar like other crit ADCs because she has so much fucking stuff crammed into her kit that she can remain relevant

RexSaurMar 22, 20174 votes

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Lmao what are you smoking

Jinx was god tier in S5, benefitted massively from the ADC update, did very well throughout S6 and isn't subpar like other crit ADCs because she has so much fucking stuff crammed into her kit that she can remain relevant

She was nerfed in the adc update.

She was good BEFORE IT, then they BUFFED EVERY OTHER AD WHILE NERFING HER in the same patch, and since then she has been trash tier.

Love the bad memory ppl have around here, but hey god forbid jinx might be relevant again.

THE RlVER KlNGMar 22, 20171 votes

lmao what?

she got a net buff in the ADC update they removed something people had been asking for for months and then crammed more shit into her kit

she hasn't dipped below a 50% winrate since then and maintains a high pickrate as well, for a while in mid s6 she had caitlyn level numbers - like 54% winrate 15% pickrate sort of stuff

RexSaurMar 22, 20171 votes

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lmao what?

she got a net buff in the ADC update they removed something people had been asking for for months and then crammed more shit into her kit

she hasn't dipped below a 50% winrate since then and maintains a high pickrate as well, for a while in mid s6 she had caitlyn level numbers - like 54% winrate 15% pickrate sort of stuff

She has had sub 10% pick rate with barely 50% win rate, she even had sub 5% pick rate for a couple of patches lately with a 49% win rate, if you think this is "amazing" then you couldnt be any more biased.

THE RlVER KlNGMar 22, 20171 votes

cite sources please

boohoo the overpicked and overloaded poster girl for ADC has dropped below 50% maybe two or three times in a few years while certain champions have never risen above

i've played support longer than jinx has even been out and i've hated every time i've had to face her because she is so goddamn annoying in both kit and personality

meanwhile she gets a skin or two every year basically just because as well

please talk more about bias though

ForgiveColourMar 22, 20177 votes

i love how you ask for sources when you are proven wrong but in the original post you talked straight from your ass

GULAG 4 UMar 22, 20173 votes

He always does.

Who is TaliyahMar 22, 20175 votes

Jinx is good. The reason she looks weak is that other adc's are stronger than her.

RexSaurMar 22, 20175 votes

Marksman update was in 5.22, look at the jinx changes :

Fishbones NEW EFFECT: Reduces total attack speed by 15% while active.

Main change that gutted her dps in general with rocket gun.

Damn yeah jinx got buffed hardcore with that! and that was also before they somewhat fixed her base AS, so at the marksman update she had the god awful base as + that total 15% as reduction, basically it was beyond horrible to even use the rocket gun.

THE RlVER KlNGMar 22, 20173 votes

Wow almost like when you get aoe 110% damage rockets with longer range than other adds you should have to pay a little somewhere else

TheChaoticSwedeMar 22, 20171 votes

I know you probably don't remember this as do a lot of Jinx and general ADC haters go but for quit a long time since her release her rockets didn't get applied to Runaans which made her rockets a lot more tolerable and not OP.

You can thank Riot for that effect as they thought it would be a nice "compensation" buff after they "reworked"(gutted) her Q AS for almost 2-3 months.

VoraciousXMar 22, 20172 votes

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I know you probably don't remember this as do a lot of Jinx and general ADC haters go but for quit a long time since her release her rockets didn't get applied to Runaans which made her rockets a lot more tolerable and not OP.

You can thank Riot for that effect as they thought it would be a nice "compensation" buff after they "reworked"(gutted) her Q AS for almost 2-3 months.

They didn't "gut" her AS. They slowed the path that she ramps up in her attack speed. By level 9 her attack speed was evened out and every level after that it's more than it was before that change. At level 2 it was actually a bit faster, but slowed down again from levels 3-8. By level 18 I don't remember how much more she had, but it was at LEAST 15% more.(which is basically an extra dagger). They did this because she was outperforming everyone at all stages of the game rather than just late game, while also being a late game hyper carry, I think you can see the problem. I love Jinx, but I know that wasn't a nerf.

ModAcademy KaynMar 22, 20171 votes

It's almost like she's a hyper carry or something....

PermabannedGarenMar 22, 20172 votes

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It's almost like she's a hyper carry or something....

She's kind of not.

She's strong late game, but all ADCs are strong late game. Relative to other ADCs she's pretty average, being weaker than Vayne, Twitch, Kog, Caitlyn, or Sivir late game.

Celeste BenalMar 22, 20171 votes

Something about AS reduction, no AS steroids while in rocket form, and uses mana, which can make her go oom easily early game unlike most ADCs.

Yaśuo MainMar 22, 20174 votes

Wow, Jinx maxing W first was always cancerous, now it can crit? Oh my lord.

DynikusMar 22, 201720 votes

Who the hell maxes w first?

Yaśuo MainMar 22, 20171 votes

Lol, bronze level Jinx players. But maxing W first might not be only low elo now. Maybe mid elo, gold or plat.

junglerboy16Mar 22, 20171 votes

Actually I think it's an old strat that he's referencing, became popular when they made her Q AS scale with level in addition to rank. It's especially strong in the aforementioned lane situation where you're facing long range or heavy poke and need to either farm at extreme range or poke back to avoid making dives too desirable.

Not sure how effective it is tho, don't play her much.

ExcusemeFellowsMar 22, 20171 votes

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Actually I think it's an old strat that he's referencing, became popular when they made her Q AS scale with level in addition to rank. It's especially strong in the aforementioned lane situation where you're facing long range or heavy poke and need to either farm at extreme range or poke back to avoid making dives too desirable.

Not sure how effective it is tho, don't play her much.

That's why her Q is a longer range auto attack compared to her "regular" one.

BLACK REALM GODMar 22, 20171 votes

if the stats on this wiki are right

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Jinx

you'd still need to level it twice to outrange ashe and 4 times for caitlyn and 5 times for tristana's max level draw a bead passive.

however jinx has 700 attack range at max Q? that cant be right can it?

ExcusemeFellowsMar 22, 20171 votes

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if the stats on this wiki are right

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Jinx

you'd still need to level it twice to outrange ashe and 4 times for caitlyn and 5 times for tristana's max level draw a bead passive.

however jinx has 700 attack range at max Q? that cant be right can it?

I can't actually tell the difference when I play her so Idk lol.

GULAG 4 UMar 22, 20179 votes

Bronze does.

LuggMar 22, 20174 votes

I have loved hearing how ADCs are so under powered this season. They are just as OP as always. Outside of Morde (who is OP as well) you never see a single pro team not playing at least one ADC in their games.

Ulquiorra995Mar 22, 20172 votes

Just sayin', even when boards were chuck full of ADC players complaining how terrible they were having an ADC was still mandatory. When mage, assassins, bruisers or tanks are in a bad state they don't get picked; other characters take their roles - mages and assassins being interchangeable for mid while tanks, bruisers, assassins and an occasional mage getting top and jungle.

But when ADC's are in a "terrible spot"? Still mandatory, except for an occasional Ziggs bot - and even with him you probably have an ADC top, mid or jungle anyway. Honestly, I think ADC's are only considered "good" by their mains when they are in top picks for every role except support.

LuggMar 23, 20171 votes

ADC mains will always bitch and moan if their champ isn't freelo.

Big LincolnMar 22, 20173 votes

Riot needs to stop making anything besides auto-attacks crit

christ I'm sick of these rightclick ADCs being coddled

MistroTTCMar 22, 20171 votes

I just want it to work like ninja tabis and give a flat damage increase (20 percent crit is a flat 20 percent damage increase).

RavenMagusMar 22, 20172 votes

At least we can dodge Zap.

MizayaMar 22, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ycXre1tp,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-03-22T01:09:16.168+0000)

Riot needs to stop making anything besides auto-attacks crit

christ I'm sick of these rightclick ADCs being coddled

Yea except the crit items are pretty much balanced around their interactions with champs like Cait and Ashe now. They are weaker than before the marksman rework, but the kits on those champs make them stronger. Nothing changed with jinx so she's just weak in comparison. And she can't build bork effectively like Twitch or Vayne.

I woulda buffed something different cause this seems kinda irrelevant and weird, but yeah Jinx is especially weak before 3 items now while most other ADCs have a way out of shit scaling.

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