Why is Akali's recast infinite range

NexonKim·Sep 9, 2018·52 votes·14,604 views

Its literally more cancer than lee recast q unlimted range bullshit along with true stealth removing the purpose of true sight

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NyarlathοtepSep 9, 201843 votes

CertainlyT. His abominations have to be special.

Ok sure but whySep 9, 20183 votes

Ironically enough, the Warwick rework let him do the same thing with his Q, and Zoe can steal your tp and follow you anyways

I guess CT doesn't make them that special after all -- only abominable

Vlada CutSep 10, 20181 votes

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Ironically enough, the rework let him do the same thing with his Q, and can steal your tp and follow you anyways

I guess CT doesn't make them that special after all -- only abominable

Good joke. Zoe can no longer pick teleport from minions. Learn how to read patch notes before ranting on a champion, ty.

Radiant SeraphSep 10, 20184 votes

She can steal YOURS, which is what he said. Learn to read, period.

Vlada CutSep 10, 20181 votes

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She can steal YOURS, which is what he said. Learn to read, period.

And you learn how to read patch notes, thanks. Enjoy the meaningless upvotes in the meanwhile, and see how much you'll learn from that.

Ok sure but whySep 12, 20181 votes

we're not minions

Vlada CutSep 13, 20181 votes

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we're not minions

Exactly. Which is why you should stop whinning about Zoe being able to take TP from players only, and thst is negated by the fact everyone runs ignite now. Who needs a 4 minute cd summoner spell anyways? :)

HethaleanSep 9, 201828 votes

Because the designer felt following a TP for free was a smart idea... just like Tower immunity more or less.

KhristophorosSep 9, 20181 votes

Well she has no way to interrupt TP so it's a unique, alternate way for her to counter an enemy doing a TP gank where most other champs would be able to interrupt the TP and prevent the TP gank completely.

SociaI JusticeSep 9, 201820 votes

she has a stun on her dash ya know

HethaleanSep 9, 20185 votes

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Well she has no way to interrupt TP so it's a unique, alternate way for her to counter an enemy doing a TP gank where most other champs would be able to interrupt the TP and prevent the TP gank completely.

Uhm... I'm just going to go ahead and suggest her ultimate can interupt a TP.

KhristophorosSep 9, 20181 votes

Oh I forgot but still, having to spend your ult to interrupt a TP kinda sucks. Anyway point is following a TP isn't necessarily better than interrupting it.

crippler38Sep 9, 20187 votes

I'd say it is in many situations, simply because the enemy might not be ready for an Akali to suddenly pop up right where they thought reinforcements were coming from.

ExpStealerSep 9, 20181 votes

It's safe to that Akali has a free TP and doesn't even have to time it right. Talk about roaming potential.

KhristophorosSep 10, 20182 votes

How is it "free" if it requires an enemy to TP too? Her "free roam" as you put it always comes with an enemy arriving before she does.

TerozuSep 9, 20181 votes

I mean, odds are she'd be running right into danger.

Say they teleported bot, by the time she gets there her target might be recalling, and then theyre at fountain. And akali is just running through every turret.

Although yeah this is a dumb and funny interaction.

crippler38Sep 9, 20181 votes

What is it extremely slow? I always felt it was at least fast enough to enter before the gank ends.

TerozuSep 9, 20181 votes

Its actually possible to outrun her E.

Z3SleeperSep 9, 20181 votes

Technically yes, practically no. Vandril had to have a Quinn ulting with a bunch of MS items and I think it was a Karma in base giving ms while Quinn was also looping around the nexus to the fountain repeatedly for homeguards.

KhristophorosSep 10, 20181 votes

keyword: necessarily

It can be better or worse given the situation and you guys aren't acknowledging that there are situations where it's worse.

btw why aren't you guys mad about Warwick having both options (follow or interrupt) without being required to spend his ult for one of those options?

BeatzBoyFTWSep 10, 20181 votes

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keyword: necessarily

It can be better or worse given the situation and you guys aren't acknowledging that there are situations where it's worse.

btw why aren't you guys mad about Warwick having both options (follow or interrupt) without being required to spend his ult for one of those options?

Cz when the hell are you going to 1v1 him in-lane? And he does not have a lot of flashy dahses & utility like Akali does.

Sewer SideSep 9, 201825 votes

Because, more realistically than the responses here, it pushes her back, so if it was range limited like Lee’s, anything with mobility will completely fuck the recast.

Seeing that it’s the only way to actually stick on a target besides her ultimate, it seems fair.

On the plus side, she moves so slow and predicatably you can hit her with a Xerath stun and get the full duration of it.

HethaleanSep 9, 20186 votes

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Because, more realistically than the responses here, it pushes her back, so if it was range limited like Lee’s, anything with mobility will completely fuck the recast.

Seeing that it’s the only way to actually stick on a target besides her ultimate, it seems fair.

On the plus side, she moves so slow and predicatably you can hit her with a Xerath stun and get the full duration of it.

Right, but does the ability need to be an escape AND an engage? Knocking her back makes no sense.

Sewer SideSep 9, 20182 votes

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Right, but does the ability need to be an escape AND an engage? Knocking her back makes no sense.

Knocking her back is to proc her passive. The knock back range is the same length as the radius as her passive if you cast it at a melee range.

TerozuSep 9, 20181 votes

Actually hitting someone with E always procs your passive. Idk why.

Moon MomSep 9, 20182 votes

The design to vault her back adds more than escape.

if she misses she's now further away than where she started (so she can't just R1 forward after standing still / missing. She can R1 during E cast, however! it still vaults her back a bit - so its like canceling the cast to start at best. This adds counterplay so she can't just gapclose onto you, and gives her skill expression outside of her shroud for defense. If you use it to dodge a spell your only other way to engage is your ult, and if that's on cooldown you're useless for the rest of the fight outside of Q poke.

LordGeovanniSep 9, 20182 votes

her missing would mean that she needed to be in a safer spot any way

ONLY PLAY TO WINSep 9, 201811 votes

Or they could just make the recast range bigger to compensate for the backwards dash? Took me 2 seconds to think of that, I'm sure it's not too hard for Riot to do it too

RexxieeSep 9, 20182 votes

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Because, more realistically than the responses here, it pushes her back, so if it was range limited like Lee’s, anything with mobility will completely fuck the recast.

Seeing that it’s the only way to actually stick on a target besides her ultimate, it seems fair.

On the plus side, she moves so slow and predicatably you can hit her with a Xerath stun and get the full duration of it.

Cant have anything with counterplay on CertaintlyT champs can we?

The player playing his champ has to feel like they're playing with cheats on, fk the rest of the players in the game right?

Akali is beyond disgusting.

Sewer SideSep 9, 20181 votes

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Cant have anything with counterplay on CertaintlyT champs can we?

The player playing his champ has to feel like they're playing with cheats on, fk the rest of the players in the game right?

Akali is beyond disgusting.

Counter play is to sidestep an ability with 600 range and an obvious cast time

LordGeovanniSep 9, 20181 votes

So you are saying that possible counter play is the reason there is no counterplay

Velzard of KozSep 9, 20189 votes

Because it's CertainlyT champion. It needs something out of the norm even if it means the champion is heavily unbalanced.

rtbf225618241Sep 9, 20187 votes

But it's hard to aim, has a cast time and does very little damage.

The hell are you bitching about? It's also highly telegraphed, giving you time to plan how to beat her. Why are people complaining about one of the only CertainlyT champs that aren't complete ass to play against? The fuck?

BârdSep 10, 20184 votes

Because she flings herself backwards on cast, they don't want to force her to ult to get back in range, and a finite range would have to be long enough that it's meaningless in order for this spell to work, so they didn't bother.

mack9112Sep 10, 20183 votes

She has plenty of counter play stop with these

Sex With AnnieSep 9, 20182 votes

it's a skillshot, you got hit with it, how can you complain if you get hit with the effect that the ability does. Dodge the skillshot and that wont happen.

Noor SakataSep 9, 20182 votes

I like it to be like that , because I main Ahri ,if she hits E , i can just dash backward to the tower and charm her under tower and let her take some dmg then she loses 90% hp then she presses W then she 1 shots me and ran away , wait wtf did I say I like it? nvm

chipndip1Sep 9, 20181 votes

You have 3 dashes...can't you just dash away from the stupid shroud?

Noor SakataSep 9, 20181 votes

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You have 3 dashes...can't you just dash away from the stupid shroud?

Between every dash there are 1 second we have to wait , 1 second is enough for her to kill lol , besides why would I used the dashes to run ? I mean generally I charmed her under tower , and she is squishy in early levels , why are you talking as if she is Entitled of killing me?

chipndip1Sep 10, 20182 votes

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Between every dash there are 1 second we have to wait , 1 second is enough for her to kill lol , besides why would I used the dashes to run ?

And this is why your grievance is invalid.

You're playing Ahri, who has one of the highest general win rates/play rates in mid lane in solo queue for all elos up to like Master+.

You're playing against Akali, someone who ONLY does well in really high elos and pro games.

Not only do you have no real room to complain just off that alone, but you ALSO say that you simply don't want to use your 3 dashes to defend yourself when you clearly understand that you can't hit her with R and W when she's in shroud.

Why am I talking like she's entitled to killing you?

Because, with how you play, she is.

[sg-miss-fortune]

Noor SakataSep 10, 20181 votes

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And this is why your grievance is invalid.

You're playing Ahri, who has one of the highest general win rates/play rates in mid lane in solo queue for all elos up to like Master+.

You're playing against Akali, someone who ONLY does well in really high elos and pro games.

Not only do you have no real room to complain just off that alone, but you ALSO say that you simply don't want to use your 3 dashes to defend yourself when you clearly understand that you can't hit her with R and W when she's in shroud.

Why am I talking like she's entitled to killing you?

Because, with how you play, she is.

[sg-miss-fortune]

Well , I'm not really complaining , I don't really have problems with Akali lol , you are overreacting when you are trying to defend her , go and defend her somewhere else, you failed

chipndip1Sep 10, 20181 votes

"I don't have a valid response, so my response is pretending like I don't care about being wrong."

Noor SakataSep 10, 20181 votes

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"I don't have a valid response, so my response is pretending like I don't care about being wrong."

No but nothing will change no matter how much we argue lol , I won't change my opinion and you won't change yous , besides my English is awkward , and Idk most of the words that came in my mind so w/e

chipndip1Sep 10, 20181 votes

Your downvoting shows who's actually pressed here. It's you. Don't deflect to me.
You've literally just admitted that you're talking out your backside by stating "I don't have issues with Akali". So why are you whining about her? As far as solo queue goes, you literally main the better champ, anyway, and you're complaining. You've also said you "simply don't want" to play against her properly to beat her. These are YOUR words proving YOU wrong. You don't really have a case outside of "I don't want to lose to someone that looks cooler than me".

Noor SakataSep 10, 20181 votes

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Your downvoting shows who's actually pressed here. It's you. Don't deflect to me.

You've literally just admitted that you're talking out your backside by stating "I don't have issues with Akali". So why are you whining about her? As far as solo queue goes, you literally main the better champ, anyway, and you're complaining. You've also said you "simply don't want" to play against her properly to beat her. These are YOUR words proving YOU wrong. You don't really have a case outside of "I don't want to lose to someone that looks cooler than me".

If you say so , in my country we just say " yes " to shut others up , yes , you are right

chipndip1Sep 10, 20181 votes

You HARDLY mean that when you downvote all my posts while you say it, but you're right when you say that. Quite the situation, indeed.

Noor SakataSep 10, 20181 votes

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You HARDLY mean that when you downvote all my posts while you say it, but you're right when you say that. Quite the situation, indeed.

Downvoting is up to the person , I do what I want " as if you didn't downvote me earlier

chipndip1Sep 10, 20181 votes

...I almost never down vote people, period.

So you're right. I didn't down vote you.

[sg-ahri-2]

CarnicoreSep 9, 20182 votes

Why does it need a range limit? Even if it had one, it would be much longer range than Lee Sin's Q because the first cast dashes away from the target.

sobi999Sep 10, 20182 votes

Out of 10-20 comments i read, maybe only 1 comment answers OP's question. Not to brag, the boards wouldn't be so helpless if they actually learned to be constructive.

The reasons i could think on top of my head are that infinite range can act as a double edged sword. If someone goes too far from akali and she recasts it, only to go 1v3 then there's an issue.

The other reason i could think off is that since the ability has a small hitbox and does less damage, it would not be rewarding if there was any recast range.

The last reason i read here was that, just like lee sin, it might be removed when akali becomes dominant enough in both high and low elo.

Other than that, she does travel relatively slow towards you for you to cc her or act upon it.