Thornmail is trash

NexonKim··3 votes·1,497 views

10% damage reflection is jack shit compared to the old 25%-30% reflection without armor scaling

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Warlord Rhinark2 votes

Remove the Cold Steel so it actually makes sense to buy it on Rammus and up the damage reflection to 20%.

WøOxer1 votes

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Remove the Cold Steel so it actually makes sense to buy it on Rammus and up the damage reflection to 20%.

This item is not specially made for Rammus its made for more tanks.

I think this item is ok as it is.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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This item is not specially made for Rammus its made for more tanks.

I think this item is ok as it is.

Removing Cold Steel from Thornmail would also benefit tanks.

That way they can build a Randuin's Omen along with it if they really need the reduced attack speed, without the unique passives overlapping.

Randuin's Omen is already a garbage tier item, considering crits now deal true damage so the crit damage reduction passive is useless.

If we make Cold Steel unique to Randuin's Omen, it might be worth picking it up.

But right now, Thornmail is almost always the better choice 90% of the time.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Doesn't the crit reduction reduce it before the true damage happens?

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

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Doesn't the crit reduction reduce it before the true damage happens?

Doesn't to my knowledge.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Doesn't the crit reduction reduce it before the true damage happens?

Sent a tweet to Riot Meddler asking about it.

If he replies, I'll post.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

It's more so used for the Cold steal and Grev Wounds passives. Plus good base stats.

Gabresol2 votes

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It's more so used for the Cold steal and Grev Wounds passives. Plus good base stats.

Why I want to reduce the enemies attack speed when I deal damage by them attacking me is beyond me...

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Ya I think it should switch out the item 3082 for item 3024 and up the damage reflection while giving it a bit of mana and CDR.

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