"If you missplay you deserve to die there"

Lauchmelder·Jun 10, 2017·8 votes·589 views

At least that's what people have said over the past 3 years I have played this game.

So why is an item that prevents this from happening until the mage has more AP and Penetration, even though said mage killed the AD twice in lane already?

Downvote me into oblivion now, I just don't see how it's fair that a 1300g item does to mages what a 2900g item (Zhonyas) does to Zed's ult. is fine as you have to invest gold into a full item to get the passive you want, is not.

And before anybody comes with the gold efficiency argument: No, you can't exclude the passive from Hexdrinker while include it for Seeker's Armguard.

Seekers is 138.44% gold efficient on 30 stacks. Hexdrinker is 159.74% gold efficient with the passive.

If we're talking about the stats without passive:

Seekers is 86.25% gold efficient without stacks. Hexdrinker is 102.31% gold efficient without the passive.

19 Comments

PePsiLemoNNJun 10, 20172 votes

I just don't see how it's fair that a 1300g item does to mages what a 2900g item (Zhonyas) does to Zed's ult.

Last time i checked item 3155 didn't completely ignore all damage/cc for 2.5 seconds. You can still move while it procs but the shield you get from it is not even close to item 3157

LauchmelderJun 10, 20173 votes

You are comparing apples and oranges.

IF you want to use a valid comparison, use item 3155 and item 3191

PePsiLemoNNJun 10, 20173 votes

I just quoted what you said lol . You compared them

LauchmelderJun 10, 20172 votes

You didn't even get the comparison, so why are you using it?

PePsiLemoNNJun 10, 20172 votes

Wtf?

LauchmelderJun 10, 20172 votes

I said that a 1300 gold COMPONENT is doing the same to mages as a 2900 gold ITEM is doing to Zed's ult.

Both are unfair to the one on the receiving end, with the small difference that ADs don't even have to use a button to activate it and get it 1600 gold earlier AND it negates any lead the mage might have gotten, because "fuck mages".

AKA: item 3155 is the equivalent to item 3157 instead of item 3156 being it's equivalent.

Acheron16Jun 10, 20174 votes

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I said that a 1300 gold COMPONENT is doing the same to mages as a 2900 gold ITEM is doing to Zed's ult.

Both are unfair to the one on the receiving end, with the small difference that ADs don't even have to use a button to activate it and get it 1600 gold earlier AND it negates any lead the mage might have gotten, because "fuck mages".

AKA: is the equivalent to instead of being it's equivalent.

So you saying that an anti-burst item that is easy to pop the cooldown off is the same as a get out-of-jail-free card that is Zhonya's. Also, I'll just remind you that hextech drinker and Maw REQUIRE you to take damage, on top of having no control on when to activate it.

You're comparing elephants to trees.

LauchmelderJun 10, 20171 votes

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get out-of-jail-free card that is Zhonya's

It's great to argue with people tha have absolutely no idea about the items they're talking about. Zhonya's right now is absolute garbage. If you pop it your team dies and you'll die 2.5 seconds later.

PePsiLemoNNJun 10, 20171 votes

And I said it doesn't do the same thing , item 3157 is way better than item 3155

Yaśuo MainJun 10, 20171 votes

Pretty sure Hexdrinker is like, one of the only things Assassins can buy to negate mage damage for a bit. You also make a dumb comparison and a random scenario of Zed being killed by a mage twice.

LauchmelderJun 10, 20173 votes

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Pretty sure Hexdrinker is like, one of the only things Assassins can buy to negate mage damage for a bit. You also make a dumb comparison and a random scenario of Zed being killed by a mage twice.

And where is the component that negates AD damage?

I'm not saying Zed is 0/2, I'm saying ANY AD laner can be 0/2, buy Hexdrinker and play out the rest of laning as if he didn't fuck up early.

Yaśuo MainJun 10, 20171 votes

Armor itself

Ninja Tabi

Zhonya's

All which really hurt Zed. Think for a second, dude.

edit : Nvm u think popping zhonyas in a teamfight is a good idea when it happens to kill your entire team, judging off your other replies

LauchmelderJun 10, 20171 votes

I'm sorry, but I have a question:

Did you actually learn to read in school?

Yaśuo MainJun 10, 20171 votes

If you more dense than a black hole you'd realize those 3 things also counter every other single AD champion. Do you have common sense?

LauchmelderJun 10, 20171 votes

If you actually would think for a second I'm talking about one COMPONENT.

NOT about AD champions in general. BRAIN. FFS, I take you have one, so use it.

Yaśuo MainJun 10, 20171 votes

item 3191

LauchmelderJun 10, 20171 votes

I covered that shitty comparison in the OP, try again.

Yaśuo MainJun 10, 20171 votes

Maybe not equal in gold efficiency, but it CAN be buffed to be a perfect equivalent. It's either too weak or Hexdrinker is just strong. Whether you like it or not, they are made to be equivalent.

Also, Acheron already proved you wrong, in which you reply with 1 line LOL

Keep being a D bag and down vote me, it only makes you look more wrong.