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Tham is way to powerful early game top

THE KEEGÁN··2 votes·1,442 views

if you are top and playing tham is extremely unfavorable if you do not have any hard ranged cc which is very few top laners i just feel maybe his slow needs to be lowered a tad bit and maybe his HP% dmg cause hes was 3 shoting in under 10 minutes of the game with 0 kills

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Polaris I3 votes

Tahm beats the entire toplane melee roster because of his permanent stun with q spam, high base stats, and building full tank while doing more damage than most bruisers, assasins, juggernauts.

Is Tahm a juggernaut or tank?

Clockwork Mouse1 votes

No he isn't, have you played him into jayce or Kennen at all?

THE KEEGÁN2 votes

just played him as jayce and literally couldnt get away after he gap closed

THE KEEGÁN1 votes

even with knock back and phase gate i was slowed to hard to escape

Hammermancer1 votes

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even with knock back and phase gate i was slowed to hard to escape

you didn't build against him at all

you went a standard lethality build after going tear into a TK on jayce IN RANKED with apparently zero matches on jayce in the past

TK is a decent anti poke champ because of his grey hp mechanic, assuming he went standard build with green tree and a doran's shield I'd say that you went hard poke build againt a team comp that you couldn't capitalize on with it.

Jayce is as mechanical as riven when talking about his ceiling, his floor is.. more like fiora though, either way don't first time him in ranked.

item 3153 is good on jayce into a matchup like that.

also when you're losing to an AP bruiser with loads of CC then don't build item 3158, it would be best to just go for the item 3111

tbh i'll only get defensive boots on jayce OR swifties

Ragnaveil2 votes

But the MR doesnt seem to really do much. The big issue is that not only does his W now have a base damage, but they buffed his Q, not only that, but buffed also the passive, which gives said spells extra damage. Its kinda hard trying to anti magic him when his base damages easily exceed it. Rank 1 Q with his passive can easily do 110+ magic damage with his passive.

Hammermancer1 votes

Im not saying to stack MR

I'm saying to build merc treads, MAYBE a qss. he had zero pen, the MR does quite a lot.

you should be outtrading him with a proper all-in

QE>W>R>QW>AA(3)>E>AA>R>AA>QE will kill him or at least force out his bubble and then hit his shield pretty good

Ragnaveil1 votes

I was merely saying in general. The changes made Kench a lot harder to trade into considering E costs no mana, so you can time the shield right to get possibly two casts off during a skirmish. Add the fact Tahm's Q on full stacks DOESNT consume the stacks, almost perma stun hell awaits you if you cant full burst him. Jayce possibly can, but you really need Merc Cannon's auto effect to help you on that (so it boosts E's damage). Ideally to counter high base magic damage, you build mr. Right now, it doesnt work in your favor with the diminishing returns you get from stacking MR.

Hammermancer1 votes

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I was merely saying in general. The changes made Kench a lot harder to trade into considering E costs no mana, so you can time the shield right to get possibly two casts off during a skirmish. Add the fact Tahm's Q on full stacks DOESNT consume the stacks, almost perma stun hell awaits you if you cant full burst him. Jayce possibly can, but you really need Merc Cannon's auto effect to help you on that (so it boosts E's damage).

you can get more than two casts off before he stacks

Ragnaveil1 votes

Yeah, as Jayce. Im saying everyone else has a rough time.

Hammermancer1 votes

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Yeah, as Jayce. Im saying everyone else has a rough time.

There are a few champs that can really just make jayce inert but they're not that strong right now so noone picks them

0 Hogapu1 votes

inserts the 2 top champs that fuck all the roaster look, TK loses to those 2, thus he isn't overpowered!

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