Can someone explain to me why Graves has Super high Base damage on top of really good scaling?

HandheldBrandon··2 votes·754 views

Seriously not only does he have the highest burst damage among ADCs but he also out scales most of them, is tankier than most of them, and is more mobile than almost all of them except for Lucian/Ezreal/Quinn and Vayne and he outscales all of them.

Seriously currently he is the best ADC and one of the better junglers while also being an amazing top laner.

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alasarcher2 votes

Cause he has lowest range. Damage compensates for range.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

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Cause he has lowest range. Damage compensates for range.

Sivir Is gonna need to be looked at then.

TNHA Baritone1 votes

AMEN. Imma need you to have an amazing day cause I mained Honey Sivir in S3 and bitch still weak af

Why does an needs a utility - oriented kit ? Ashe Sivir I don't know. Theres a reason that they have supports and items such as item 3069

HandheldBrandon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Midnight Karma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yFrwVBxm,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-09T11:25:52.869+0000)

AMEN. Imma need you to have an amazing day cause I mained Honey Sivir in S3 and bitch still weak af

Why does an needs a utility - oriented kit ? Ashe Sivir I don't know. Theres a reason that they have supports and items such as item 3069

I legit believe that Ashe is currently the second worst champ in the game after Yorick.

She takes too long to get to power and when she does teams have already built a ton of armor and her "Kiting" doesn't mean shit when every body has a dash or 2.

TNHA Baritone1 votes

and her "Kiting" doesn't mean shit when every body has a dash or 2.

...notice the all the ~~champions ~~ ADCs without some kind of dash or jump suffer the most.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

There isn't an ADC currently that Ashe can out duel and with how snowbally games currently are and how fast they are decided she never reaches her potential. Unless shes already ahead.

Llamas Spit Too1 votes

As said, Graves compensates his low range for damage. Your safest bet would be using a champion with decent range, example Caitlyn and situationally Jhin . If you're good with him though, try Draven , he has incredibly ridiculous burst damage through pretty much all parts of the game. Hope this helps, best of luck ^^

HandheldBrandon1 votes

Its not even in the bot lane where i find him frustrating its when he goes to jungle or other lanes and then comes out with massive damage out of nowhere and then just continues to rofl stomp people has he gets more and more fed.

alasarcher1 votes

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Sivir Is gonna need to be looked at then.

Sivir provides utility, but i agree she needs some tweaking to fit in current meta.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

She does provide utility but she is supposed to be THE AOE Adc.

Right now at full builds Graves will utterly smash any damage Sivir can put out in a fraction of the time she can put it out.

TNHA Baritone1 votes

THE AOE ADC

MissFortune waves "Goodbye" to Sivir

HandheldBrandon1 votes

I never felt like MF was the true AOE ADC.

I mean her ulti does fill it but Sivirs Q and W are constantly used in teamfights providing AOE damage in a consistent fashion where as MF drops her Ulti and then a Q when appropriate and then her E for utility.

alasarcher1 votes

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I never felt like MF was the true AOE ADC.

I mean her ulti does fill it but Sivirs Q and W are constantly used in teamfights providing AOE damage in a consistent fashion where as MF drops her Ulti and then a Q when appropriate and then her E for utility.

Ye but u are forgetting one thing about Graves. His bullets only hit first target, so if u have some armor heavy front line he cant really do much can he? While sivir prefers front target as her attacks bounce behind.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

The only champ currently in the game right now that can face tank graves is probably malphite.

Everyone else from what i have seen can't last too long against him unless Armor is literally the only thing they stacked.

alasarcher1 votes

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The only champ currently in the game right now that can face tank graves is probably malphite.

Everyone else from what i have seen can't last too long against him unless Armor is literally the only thing they stacked.

What about Braum? Rammus?

MrwiOzV6pB1 votes

He needs a nerf badly. He's ripping people apart in every elo, even in challenger.

alasarcher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Rob,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yFrwVBxm,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-09T11:26:00.696+0000)

He needs a nerf badly. He's ripping people apart in every elo, even in challenger.

He already got a nerf, next patch it will be applied. Check PBE from time to time.

MrwiOzV6pB1 votes

Well it hasn't been applied yet.

alasarcher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Rob,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yFrwVBxm,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-02-09T12:07:42.227+0000)

Well it hasn't been applied yet.

Well they wont apply patch for 1 champion only. They will roll out all changes in one patch. But point is, they are aware of issue and they are working on it. Contrary to popular opinion, Riot doesnt REALLY have a big red NERF button and whenever they wanna nerf something they just press it. They have to make sure they dont screw champ completely.

Sasogwa1 votes

Because he also has great innate tankiness and his E can grant him up to 120 armor and magic resist

Yes that is supposed to make sense, but I still don't see why.

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