Fiddlesticks was overnerfed, and not because the silence nerf.

MorgManBasher··3 votes·1,346 views

The inability to get double bounces anymore on target has lowered fiddlestick's damage output significantly. He can no longer go mid lane and use E to last hit or to harass because it no longer clears waves and only bounces once on champions during that E. There is no longer a chance for a double bounce which completely kills lane fiddlesticks, which makes me sad since I love to go mid fiddle against certain champions like Kat and sometimes Zed.

I can take the passive nerf, I can also take the silence nerf even though I feel these nerfs are uncalled for. I just can't stand by though and let you kill his inability to get double bounces for the damage though, it really kills fiddlesticks and makes it less exciting also to play him because when those double bounces happen it's just such a good feeling seeing you get that lucky double bounce when they are running away out of sight.

If you are unwilling to bring back the double bounce, you need to increase the damage on E to compensate for the lack of damage.

Fiddlesticks has been nerfed over and over and over, and I just sit here taking it every season. It really gets old considering champions like Lee Sin continue to be strong ever since release, never receiving the nerfs they deserve, yet my champion isn't even played in professional play and constantly receives nerfs.

I almost feel like fiddlesticks is trash tier now, but I'll continue to play him regardless. I just don't think people realize how huge those nerfs are, especially considering all the nerfs he's received throughout the years.

13 Comments

Joe Dredd3 votes

You can still get double bounces. Stop being stupid.

MorgManBasher1 votes

{quoted} You can still get double bounces. Stop being stupid.

You are the stupid one if you can't understand that you can't get double bounces unless there are two people ONLY next to each other. There can't be minions on other teamates.

Don't throw around the word stupid when you don't even understand the changes. The damage he lost was huge.

Joe Dredd2 votes

You're stupid if you think what you just said disproved anything that I said.

SmokingPuffin1 votes

You are the stupid one if you can't understand that you can't get double bounces unless there are two people ONLY next to each other. There can't be minions on other teamates.

As I understand it, you will still get a double bounce if there's one minion with the targets. Also, you're more likely to hit the enemy champion in a minion wave than you were before.

You just can't get lucky throwing an E into a minion wave and get silence for days anymore.

SouL1ess1 votes

It prioritizes double-bouncing over hitting targets not already hit with Dark Wind

I think OP meant it's harder to get double bounces in all possible scenarios, not literally impossible.

Joe Dredd1 votes

YOu have to look at the upsides too. Even though now it's harder to get double bounces in lane, you can basically get a silence off on the entire enemy team now, since it'll prioritize the ones that haven't been silenced yet.

Shentai2 votes

All three nerfs directly rape support fid without lube. The silence is the only justified nerf, but was anyone else calling for these nerfs??? The only time I saw people calling to nerf my scarecrow was because of his sustain in jungle... Where the hell did these nerfs come from?

Let me illustrate the impacts of these changes to support fid:

Silence change- this is fine. Support fid shut down caster ADCs hard early lane. I don't think I ever lost to an ezrael as support fid.

Bounce change- MASSSIVE nerf to laning phase of any fiddle. Especially support fid. support fid is about controlling the brush and sneaking up to get a backline E to double bounce on the opponents. Now E risks last hitting minions every time, which steals gold and puts your spellthiefs edge on cooldown. You raped our lane pressure and gold income with this nerf.

Dread- this isn't horrible but it makes abyssal a much higher priority than rylais as a sixth item on fid support now I feel.

Build used to be:

Frost queens SS Zhonyas Lucid boots Liandry's

And then abyssal vs rylais typically dependent on if you had another aoe APC/if their APC was deleting you. I feel like with the changes the mpen is now required because once your ult ends you are no longer an aoe mr shred for your midlander. Idk this is going to take a lot of games to test the impacts.

Ultimately the bounce nerf is the most horrible decision and makes the double silence nerf unnecessary. The double silence nerf is fine but you raped our harass and gold income with the targeting and possibly broke our support build for the dread, but it's not horrible it is only limiting our utility... In a season where MR is non existent so we will see if it is actually that big of a deal.

vscAloha1 votes

The Bird targeting was old and outdated anyway. Riot has said as much before when they were making the changes to Katarina a few years ago.

SouL1ess1 votes

Time to give back it's 10 bounces at rank 5!

CawFiddlesticks Caw

Garens Harem1 votes

what do you expect?

popular champs/fotm = nerf

Long Dong Wukong1 votes

They've raped Warwick out of lane too, if it makes you feel any better.

Bharhash1 votes

Support Fiddle needed to be nerfed. He was ridiculously overbearing with little chance for counterplay. He could safely harass the enemy with little to no fear of danger, especially if he gets any control of the push to prevent poking him down.

Shentai2 votes

{quoted} Support Fiddle needed to be nerfed. He was ridiculously overbearing with little chance for counterplay. He could safely harass the enemy with little to no fear of danger, especially if he gets any control of the push to prevent poking him down.

There are plenty of counters to fiddle. The same champions that counter zyra counter fid. Thresh and blitz should never do bad vs fiddle. Nor should a lane with vayne or anyone capable of breaking your drain when your duo goes all in.

Also sustain lains like soraka and sona stomp fiddle because you don't go past rank one e til late so all that poke becomes useless. You are just a peel bot with your fear until you can all in at 6.

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