"Hey guys, remember when Lee Sin, Rek'Sai, and Vi were literally your only choices for junglers?

Reynard the ƒox·Nov 8, 2015·26 votes·3,502 views

Well we liked that, so that's how it's gonna be for the entirety of Season 6."

With Love, rito balance team

42 Comments

Rustling BushNov 8, 201515 votes

i don't think you know what the world literally means

xJLx MCHammerNov 8, 20154 votes

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i don't think you know what the world literally means

It context of lcs, I think he is almost right

Rustling BushNov 8, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yA8XwMTH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-11-08T18:35:32.684+0000)

It context of lcs, I think he is almost right

doesn't apply to mine or his games, so why does it matter. he isn't in lcs

xJLx MCHammerNov 8, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Summoner Grey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yA8XwMTH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-08T18:36:37.729+0000)

doesn't apply to mine or his games, so why does it matter. he isn't in lcs

He watches it?

XonraNov 8, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Summoner Grey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yA8XwMTH,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-08T18:36:37.729+0000)

doesn't apply to mine or his games, so why does it matter. he isn't in lcs

Neither does this thread apply to you honestly, yet here you are trying to be a smart ass and correct people :P

Rustling BushNov 9, 20151 votes

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Neither does this thread apply to you honestly, yet here you are trying to be a smart ass and correct people :P

that doesn't even make sense.

KrinuNov 8, 20151 votes

Wasn't LCS all about Elise, anyway?

AbyssphereNov 8, 20151 votes

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Wasn't LCS all about Elise, anyway?

It was towards the end of the season, but he's referring to the start of the season when that trio were genuinely near-exclusively the only played junglers. Until the release of Cinderhulk and the Warrior nerf, they were pretty much the only champions you ever saw.

EDIT: Actually, Jarvan was there too. I would say Rek'Sai was actually less popular than the other three.

KrinuNov 9, 20151 votes

Oh, hell, I remember that. J4 jungle all day every day.

Reynard the ƒoxNov 8, 20154 votes

I do know what it means, and trust me my friend I used it correctly.

SilverclawNov 8, 20156 votes

Then you have no idea what it means, because I've played at least five junglers (EDIT: NOT) on your list to success on the PBE.

AbyssphereNov 8, 20156 votes

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Then you have no idea what it means, because I've played at least five junglers on your list to success on the PBE.

I think he knows what it means, he just used it incorrectly (and is pretending he believes he used it correctly) for emphasis.

Reynard the ƒoxNov 8, 20153 votes

lol yea sure kid

Wind WhistlerNov 9, 20151 votes

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I do know what it means, and trust me my friend I used it correctly.

Don't you mean you LITERALLY used it correctly?

MunchauzensNov 8, 201511 votes

I'm curious. As someone who hasn't played on pbe, but has read through the season 6 changes, I don't really see what leads you to draw the conclusion that they will be 'the only playable junglers.'

From reading the notes and watching some junglers' stream, it seems like a variety of junglers are good in the new season. The new jungle items seem like they hurt tank junglers, particularly early, but nothing would lead me to believe that the AD early game junglers will return to absolute prominence. I feel like there will be decent diversity.

If there's something I'm missing, it would be cool if you explained.

SilverclawNov 8, 201510 votes

As someone who has played PBE, I've played Rengar, Elise, Volibear, Nautilus, and Malphite to success in the jungle. People are overexaggerating as always.

blueberrypancakeNov 9, 20151 votes

What else would people do then

Do this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU

3tysonNov 9, 20151 votes

I figured i feel like the jungle is most flexible of all lanes aslong as you know how yo jungle

you could pick kat/yas mid and face annie that doesnt let u roam

ur games over.... if shes good right ?

Than i could pick sej in the jungle amd get counterd by vi but i can still, predict her movements ping my team to back of where she is avoid her and gank where she is not totaly destroy her in teamfights with a5man stun that melts her team down

Silents429Nov 8, 20151 votes

As a jungle tank main on PBE, even the Pre Season is light on the tanks early game, we still clear decent with our HP.

PiVoRxNov 9, 20151 votes

There is a difference between pbe and live/ranked/competitive play. Ive seen wierd shit running jungle in pbe with great success, but just wait till it goes live, it will be lee sin all over again.

MunchauzensNov 10, 20151 votes

I have no doubt Lee Sin will be played a lot. I mean Lee is ALWAYS played a lot. Really the point I'm trying to make is that nothing I see on the pbe seems to point to the notion that diversity will go down. The OP seems to believe that early game AD bruiser junglers will be the only thing popular. I see nothing to back that up whatsoever. Thats not the only meta on live and I don't see why season 6 would be that way based on the changes.

SammystormNov 8, 20153 votes

I don't remember those three being the only choices ever.

Basically all 3 of those junglers were meta at different times.

[zombie-brand-clap]

Remlap1223Nov 9, 20153 votes

Congrats on copypasting the most liked comment of another thread as the main topic of this one to farm upvotes. But we members of the boards don't ever circlejerk do we?

Reynard the ƒoxNov 9, 20151 votes

I made that post.

Gnart Even CloseNov 8, 20152 votes

YAY! JUST WHAT I ALWAYS WANTED! LACK OF JUNGLE DIVERSITY!

edit: i was just making a comment about worlds (bad diversity), and how riot keeps trying to push for jungle diversity (with limited success)

SilverclawNov 8, 20151 votes

OP clearly hasn't played PBE. The only jungler that won't be playable next season I think will be Evelynn, due to riot wrecking her clear. I've played every kind of jungler to success. Tank, Bruiser, AP, and Assassin.

vivjan30Nov 9, 20151 votes

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OP clearly hasn't played PBE. The only jungler that won't be playable next season I think will be Evelynn, due to riot wrecking her clear. I've played every kind of jungler to success. Tank, Bruiser, AP, and Assassin.

At least you have hunters talisman to deal with the mana nerfs

TurquoiseYoshiNov 9, 20151 votes

The jungle diversity is pretty good right now. It's just that the top lane meta in Worlds was all top lane carries, so jungle tanks were needed to balance comps out. There are 3 great jungle tanks (due to their kits being amazing for pros), so those 3 were played every game (until Gragas got disabled).

Silents429Nov 8, 20152 votes

The only 2 junglers incapable of clearing currently were Rammus and Eve.

In comparison to Pre Season 5 when practically 3 champions were capable of jungling at all.

frigginmurlocsNov 8, 20152 votes

Rammus doesn't need to be able to clear, get through your first run, then gank mercilessly because you can

Silents429Nov 8, 20151 votes

His ganks are mediocre at this point given how easy it is to avoid them.

Just ganking won't give you enough income, he needs to be able to clear.

flibitydooNov 8, 20151 votes

what the fudge are you talking about

when season 4 was released Rammus was classed as the only jungler that could gank because of all of the free item 3340 wards Riot was handing out.

He even got his E armour shred nerfed because of how good he was with the new vision changes.

And clearing only applies to the first clear, as it has been since pre-season. After you upgrade your jungle item, clears become easy as cake.

Silents429Nov 8, 20151 votes

Rammus wasn't dominate in Season 4 until towards the end, and was never at any time classified as the only jungler that could gank.

Did you just make that up as you typed it?

TurquoiseYoshiNov 9, 20151 votes

Eve gives up a lot for that permastealth. It's kinda fair that she's pretty weak (although with the pink ward buffs she'll need compensation).

Rammus is basically the worst champion in the game. I really can't figure out how to do anything as him. All I can think of is going Smite/TP, using Homeguards, TPing in, popping Righteous Glory, and Qing. Hopefully you'll be able to get to their mage mid laner and hit them with an E while your ult is on.

warpenguin555Nov 8, 20151 votes

actually Jarvan was in that too. i remember because my friend was telling me about a Gnarvan combo because I mained Gnar at the time

IpolsNov 8, 20151 votes

why?

FelvyneNov 8, 20151 votes

Do you know who will be pick or ban until nerfed or reworked on S6? This kitty Rengar , the anticarry more difficult to avoid in the adc meta. The other junglers are noobs killing adcs compared to him

ErdamonNov 8, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHP4JtsBnUQ

ElegantDogeNov 8, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Well we liked that, so that's how it's gonna be for the entirety of Season 6."

With Love, rito balance team

Many junglers will be viable.

Mael broNov 8, 20151 votes

How about this babe Evelynn She is a pain, but you love her anyway :D

Slamurai JackNov 9, 20151 votes

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm too busy getting assblasted by the new AP Yi to even know how good those other junglers are.

MealReadytoEatNov 9, 20151 votes

Haha, yea. I have a paragraph in my very long post The State of Marksmen, part 3 (What, Why, and How the Preseason Changes the Game.) about this;

A Middle Finger Flipped Towards non-AD Junglers - Most non-epic Monsters lost their armor, while many gained MR. T2 jungle items (And T3) now grant 10% lifesteal but no spellvamp, and generally less mana. At least it gives 30 hp over 5 seconds for every monster you damage, but AD junglers have plenty of AoE to get this as well, and anyone can smite Gromp or buy a Cinder. AD junglers with AoE, like Lee Sin, Rek'sai, and Vi have it even easier off this. (Hey wait a minute, wasn't that like the entirety of junglers for much of this season?) Runeglaive gives 10 less AP but gives 50 mana, costs 425 more, while cinderhulk simply costs 375 more. Devourer got back the 10 damage on-hit it lost last nerf, and only cost 200 more, while warrior lost its pen, gained 20 AD, and 375 gold to its price tag. I’ll be going into this more in depth on my upcoming post about items. T1 Jungle items split into one only good for AD junglers, and one equally decent for AD jungler and everyone else. Jungle monsters generally got weaker, but T1 jungle items are much worse, and the T2 now costs 700 gold, The increase in gold for t3 jungle items is partially offset by the increase in gold income, fully for devourer. I’m bothered by favoritism for AD and Devourer, but at least mages and tanks can function in the jungle.