Devourer being disabled has made me see it has no place in this game

Reynard the ƒox·Sep 27, 2015·299 votes·13,525 views

I still see Xin Zhao and Master Yi jungle in my games. They build Warrior, and they do just fine. I still see Shyvana, with Cinderhulk. She's still a backline threat and a strong teamfighter. Nocturne, Warwick, even Aatrox I've seen make it work with a non-devourer jungle enchant.

Every single jungler who abuses Devourer is capable of making use of a different jungle item. Keep Devourer disabled, it is not needed.

EDIT: also please bring back Magus for those poor Karthus and Fiddlesticks players :c

200 Comments

ChargeItDownMidSep 27, 201580 votes

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ChessburgerSep 27, 20153 votes

I don't understand the hype around it. I barely see it in any games and even when someone does build they better pray to a number of deities his team holds it together enough to get it stacked in about 20 minutes, or lose. I've stopped playing it because it's just not worth it. The enemy laners operate better despite ganks, gain full vision control of your jungle and you can barely get 2 stacks in 5 minutes because you're forced out of the jungle and into a battlefield where your contribution is subpar compared to building any other jungle item.

It's not even strong, it's just a risky item now.

3TWarriorSep 27, 20156 votes

hardly, the minimum requirements are 3 dragons and 10 camps

with conservative gameplay, that is not only possible in 25 minutes because of dragon, it's encouraged...

PartholonianSep 27, 20159 votes

You're assuming that your team takes every single dragon? Even though the one member of your team whose build you can control is building an item with delayed power?

Tails DollSep 27, 20155 votes

You are assuming Dev junglers are useless pre Dev. Xin, Yi, Shy, Aatrox, Noc, Ud. All of them can gank pre 6, even if it's not the strongest gank, they have decent chances of pulling off a succeful gank, especially if your team built around you being a Dev jungler.

The myto that dev junglers are useless pre dev it's a lie, they just hit a huge power spike when they finally do get them, but most of them can do just fine with base stats and dmg.

MrSexyHoboSep 28, 20152 votes

i don't really care for devourer but i just wanted to point out that the champs that use it are also the ones that can 1v1 dragon before lvl 6 with relative ease. i can usually sneak first drag without anyone knowing with proper placement of a ward int the death bush and a sweep around the pit

Celeste BenalSep 28, 20153 votes

If it takes you 25 minutes to stack sated, you're bad. Shouldn't take more than 20, and can be done fairly easily in 15. Just takes 2 dragons, good scuttle control, and some successful ganks.

Slamurai JackSep 27, 201516 votes

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All that shows is that devourer isn't nearly as strong as people make it out to be. There is a reason why it is the least used jungle item in serious games.

The absolute irony of this fact is going to be lost on way, way too many people, sadly.

MealReadytoEatSep 27, 20159 votes

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All that shows is that devourer isn't nearly as strong as people make it out to be. There is a reason why it is the least used jungle item in serious games.

Its a lot harder to abuse its weaknesses/ the champions that use its weakness in solo queue, but yes, it's not overpowered, at least not by much, although I could argue it promotes unfun game play.

CottidaeCairoSep 27, 201531 votes

nah warwick is str8 up garbage without devourer. He cant operate as a champion in league when on hit items exist, he needs a rework. Either too strong or too weak always based on the strength of onhit items at the time.

SH AzykanSep 27, 201510 votes

cinderhulk + titanic hydra is possible on warwick, and actually not terrible. item 3717 item 3091 item 3742 item 3748 item 3047 + Situational

or AP Wick, with runeglaive which may not be the greatest start but gets really scary with his ganks (Ult+ Q + AA will chunk really hard) item 3716 item 3115 item 3001 item 3157 item 3020 + situational

HighH1Sep 27, 201514 votes

They should bring back Weedwick 4.20 for old times sake

Only Play DariusSep 27, 201516 votes

They may work with warrior, but they work even better with devourer.

The problem with warrior is that it is outclassed. It used to be OP but all the other enchants got reworked and now warrior is inferior as a result. It offers nothing unique and scales with nothing, and falls off late game.

maikokkSep 27, 20154 votes

warrior wasnt OP because the other jungle items sucked. warrior was OP because building flat pen is hard to do now without making sacrifices, and warrior had decent stats

Emperor AntaresSep 27, 201512 votes

Nocturne, Warwick and Aatrox without Devourer working well? Shut The Fuck Up Troll.

OperationDEEZ1Sep 27, 20158 votes

To all the people downvoting this guy: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150210143007/cardfight/images/a/ac/Joke_over_your_head.jpg

Aych PiiSep 27, 20158 votes

Weird! People who like playing certain champions will try to find ways to play those champions even when their core item is disabled! It's almost like they... like playing those champions, and are willing to try suboptimal builds in order to play them!

TeraxeSep 27, 20157 votes

As a WW main with over 3k WW games, I have stopped playing him while it is disabled.

OperationDEEZ1Sep 27, 20157 votes

Must be fun playing on autopilot for that many games.

ShonjlSep 27, 20151 votes

Or ya know, learn to not be stupid and play the game? With that amount of games Teraxe has clearly played even before Sated which is what everyone is crying about. Base Devourer was not an issue at all. Surprise surprise there are junglers that are reliant on AS. Just like there is for AD,AP,health.

Or would you rather see Lee sin in every game again?

Hello I am BirdOct 4, 20151 votes

Yes. At least I can dodge his q You can't dodge basic attacks... Jax

ShonjlOct 6, 20151 votes

My arguement was mainly about Devourer itself, not Sated. They are in fact 2 different things, just like Archangel Staff and Muramasa are different than their upgrades.

People just want to QQ and have it entirely removed when an AS jng item is just as mandatory as the others that give AD,AP and HP.

Fix Sated is the issue is all. And even then, Sated truly, isn't a big issue, most people that use it are squishy so die very easy if they are....wait for it....CCed. The only TRUE one against that is Shyvana which I agree is total BS, she shouldn't have heavy damage and be tanky as hell all in one. But also has no CC since her ult does mostly nothing.

MongooseSep 27, 20156 votes

that is horrible logic

might as well remove rabadon's deathcap, all the champs will get a different ap item and do just fine. you will still see mages in games.

disregardableSep 27, 20154 votes

I don't think it doesn't have a place in the game, but I think it's definitely overbearing in this constantly stalled out meta. I think just nerfing it to not synergize with items item 3153 item 3078 would work.

BakedLotionSep 27, 20154 votes

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I don't think it doesn't have a place in the game, but I think it's definitely overbearing in this constantly stalled out meta. I think just nerfing it to not synergize with items would work.

Since when did it synergize with triforce? Sheen doesn't proc twice lel. All you would be getting is a phage passive duration reset, which isn't even noticeable as you'll attack before it ends anyways.

LitoJSep 27, 20154 votes

I've noticed I can actually fight against enemy junglers now, depending on my positioning, skill, and damage. Devourer just made me accept my own death and realize I was just gonna get gunned down by an ak47 on the enemy's fists.

FeelsBardMaínSep 27, 20153 votes

But...but Kayle =(. Runeglaive is awful for jungle clear =.

FatalitýSep 27, 20153 votes

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ÐeliciousSep 27, 20156 votes

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Kayle never jungled until devourer even came out

My first penta was jungle kayle season 3

SquarefighterSep 27, 20158 votes

But let's be real season 3 Kayle can't really be compared to what she is now.

WookieJesuzSep 27, 201537 votes

Runeglaive AP kayle is godly

Maligaro SpikeSep 27, 20159 votes

she's an angel afterall

ayNigerianPrinceSep 27, 20154 votes

KAYLE CAN DO IT

BadboypilotSep 27, 20153 votes

I think its funny how no one notices Devour Vi or even brings up Tryndamere with Devour, talk about super hardcore beasts that no one cares about qq item 3073

Byakuya KuchikiSep 27, 201518 votes

how does tryndamere get any benefit from it? and devour Vi is pretty garbage compared to warrior

Emperor AntaresSep 27, 20151 votes

Tryndamere doesnt benefit from Devourer Kappa

JingerbeardmanSep 27, 20152 votes

sure he can, faster rage generation = more crits

EvilMerodachSep 27, 20152 votes

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how does tryndamere get any benefit from it? and devour Vi is pretty garbage compared to warrior

Tryndamere gains 5 Fury each time he lands a basic attack, increased to 10 Fury on critical strikes,

Crit on a sated strike and you get 20 fury.

Spinning Slash's cooldown is reduced by 1 second whenever Tryndamere critically strikes, doubled to 2 seconds against enemy champions. COOLDOWN: 13 / 12 / 11 / 10 / 9 Crit on a sated strike on a champion and his E basically doesn't have a cooldown.

Also crit/AS tends to work better on him than crit/AD, as only his E scales with AD, and his E isn't really a meaningful impact on his damage output anyway. (just insane mobility/gap close/escape..)

biomasterSep 27, 20153 votes

never understood why burst/nukes are okay but when people start using atk spd and multiple hits for dmg suddenly there's an issue? For example everyone gets upset at vayne 3 hit proc, or kalistas rend, but id rather take a lot of dmg from something that added up over time rather then let's say a veigar point and click nuke or a draven axe crit. those often do alot more dmg more immediately, but time after time again its the bork users that get hated on for some reason.

GavranSep 27, 20152 votes

Well, if you actually want to understand it's pretty simple: AA's have no cooldown, miss chance and few counter items. Most of those counter items have also been hit by nerfs recently.

Hello I am BirdOct 4, 20152 votes

One could argue that Attack speed is Auto attacks' cooldown, but your point still stands.

SukishooSep 28, 20153 votes

Magus was so useless though. There were far better stats they could have gone for in an AP item and Runeglaive got most of em.

Möral SupportSep 28, 20152 votes

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Magus was so useless though. There were far better stats they could have gone for in an AP item and Runeglaive got most of em.

Magus wasn't TOTALLY useless, it offered a decent clear for jungle karthus/fiddle. Now its seemingly impossible for karthus or fiddle to jungle. To deal any damage at all, fiddle has to cancel his drain and the reapply it. Runeglaive is made for certain junglers (NIDALEE ELISE AND DIANA) so they can excel more.

Doctor JarvisSep 28, 20154 votes

Have you...have you USED Runeglaive Fidds? Its exactly the same as Magus Fidds except you have mana when you don't have blue buff. You don't have to...cancel your drain (I can't believe thats a sentence I have to use)

FistOfSharkieshaSep 27, 20152 votes

Warwick desperately needs it but other than that, yeah nobody is really suffering without it. I main and climb elo with Warwick at a 65% winrate and even then I don't like devourer. It's cheap.

Dar RaksadaSep 27, 20153 votes

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Warwick desperately needs it but other than that, yeah nobody is really suffering without it. I main and climb elo with Warwick at a 65% winrate and even then I don't like devourer. It's cheap.

Nocturne seems to be having more trouble without it.

XadiousSep 28, 20152 votes

I hate the item.

AkesgerothSep 28, 20152 votes

Absolutely agree. The only jungler I can think of who really suffers from not having it is Aatrox, and that's because he needs buffs/a rework. The removal of Devourer has removed a major element of imbalance from LoL and it's clear that junglers who used it do damn fine with Warrior. At this point, I think putting it back in would just prove the devs have a total disconnect from the game.

coolgeigeiSep 27, 20151 votes

Finally, without devourer I actually get my jungler to gank my lane instead of farming 24/7.

Thank you rito. Fuck devourer people who power farm all day. If you want to farm go play adc.

ShonjlSep 27, 20152 votes

Again, Sated Devourer is what you are crying about, what did base Devourer do that got your panties in a twist? Just remove the buff on it that turns it into Sated and problem fking solved. Removing even base Devourer would make the game even more focused on even fewer champs than it already is since it would remove the AS reliant junglers from the equation. Yi, Noct, WW all can benefit from Warrior, but not as much as other junglers do, they want AS way more than AD.