Shouldn't smite at least grants an assist?

BeatzBoyFTW··85 votes·3,889 views

Played a bot game just to test out Darius jungle. So I went mid and tried being generous and all by helping him with a slow smite on Cass bot and go back to my jungle business. After my teammmate Zed killed her, it shows only Zed getting the killing golds, while I receive none, even just for a smite. Hope Rito would change the smite settings to enable assists golds.

19 Comments

junglerboy1615 votes

It is more than likely that he killed her just after the assist timer ran out. The assist timer is just the window of time between you dealing damage/buffing the ally dealing damage and that ally killing them when it still considers you as helping with the kill. It is something like 10 or 15 seconds, but I may be wrong.

Lytebulb4 votes

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It is more than likely that he killed her just after the assist timer ran out. The assist timer is just the window of time between you dealing damage/buffing the ally dealing damage and that ally killing them when it still considers you as helping with the kill. It is something like 10 or 15 seconds, but I may be wrong.

This. Smite does get kills and assists.

Flemman1 votes

I don't know about every smite, but I'm pretty sure that in a recent pro match someone managed to be executed undr ennemy tower nearly 1 second after being hit by the smite who does no damage

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

Does that mean that the debuff from (what is it? Desolating?) Smite never had the slightest impact on either the caster or the target? That could be why, if that's the case.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

I'm pretty sure it was like a 3 second difference before the bot got killed by my teammate.

TeemoJenkins3 votes

Interesting. I haven't tested this, but I've hit someone with a chilling smite and they flash away only to be killed by dragon as they crossed the pit and I got the kill. Wonder if it's specific levels of the blue jungle item that doesn't grant? Was this your first buy into chilling or completed chilling item?

Magma Lux Mid1 votes

More than likely the timer. It's the same as trying to suicide while being chased.

AlexXeno3 votes

It does count as an assist. Unless it took to long, there is a timer for assists.

NauticalNonsense3 votes

I get assists from smite left and right. I don't know what you're talking about.

Miku Lv992 votes

Yeah, you have to actually deal damage to get an assist. I've noticed with with Kass' spellshield, you can hit him with a spell and then your ally kills him with another spell it'll still not give you assist if you didn't actually damage his real HP. Tbh I really feel like that should be worthy of an assist since your ally maybe couldn't have killed him if not for what you did.

tainteddaze1 votes

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Yeah, you have to actually deal damage to get an assist. I've noticed with with Kass' spellshield, you can hit him with a spell and then your ally kills him with another spell it'll still not give you assist if you didn't actually damage his real HP. Tbh I really feel like that should be worthy of an assist since your ally maybe couldn't have killed him if not for what you did.

smite is true damage not magic damage kass shield only blocks magic damage so smite will still deal damage to kassadin even with his shield up. Shields that would block the damage are like janna, lux, lee sin, fotm, locket, seraphs, lulu, sona, karma, j4, shen, thresh, ori, blitz, malphite, diana, naut, riven, rumble, sion, udyr, skarner, urgot, vi, yasuo, viktor,

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

I believe he was discussing a generic magic-damage spell, not Smite. Hard to tell, though, that part is not very clear. In any case, I can understand the scenario he's talking about.

Let's create this hypothetical situation (with simple numbers to make it easy):

Kassadin (1000 health) is being attacked by two enemy champions, A and B.

Champion A is the main damage threat, capable of delivering 1200 magic damage total.

Champion B knows this, and is only planning to cast a 200 magic damage spell for the assist.

Kassadin fires his Q at Champion A in order to gain his magic damage shield of 300.

Champion B damages the shield with their single spell.

Champion A obliterates the last 100 health of the shield, and ALL of Kassadin's 1000 health.

So, does Champion B get an assist or not? He failed to do any actual damage to Kassadin, but his spell is the only reason (okay not really, but this is hypothetical) Champion A was able to finish him off.

I'm unsure of the answer to that, but it sure seems to me like Champion B would deserve an assist for his efforts.

Ódyssey Kayn1 votes

I've had the same problem, but with the Challenger's Smite - it may be that when it deals no damage out of itself [ Challenger's ] it doesn't give an assist. It's quite unfair, seeing as the red smite gives a damage reduction [ only towards the smiter from the smited, but... ] and most of all, it reveals the target. Shouldn't the reveal be enough to give an assist? item 3715

GaleWinUnleashed1 votes

I'm wondering if it would give you an assist if you then allowed them to attack you. Because in that case, the debuff would have had some effect on the fight, rather than having zero impact.

If reveals gave assists, there would be a few cases where I'd be a much happier Zyra. If Riot allowed reveal effects to grant assists, it would leave an opening to argue that wards should also count for assists, which could get very messy.

FastAsHeck1 votes

reveals for assists? DO YOU WANT Warwick TO BE META AGAIN??? lol just imagine it, pretty much guaranteed assist if you are in tf ult range of the enemy... only way you couldnt get assist is if the enemy took more than 50% of their hp as dmg, for example a ridiculusly fed veigar ulting an ap.

jade harley BARK1 votes

I've noticed that I only get assists for a chilling smite--I guess because it technically does damage? Skirmishers does not offer assists from my experience.

spirit cooking1 votes

It should grand an assist.

It should also INTERUPT PEOPLE TRYING TO BACK.

SleepyLionCub1 votes

there are 50 threads.

50 ungrateful threads that complain about how this isnt enough to hurt zed, when it obviously will.

lxlLilybellelxl1 votes

Smite should grant assists :( That's a valuable resource for junglers, i think using it for a laner AND giving them the kill at least entitles Poor Uncle Jimmy to some gold... Junglers are almost as Poor as supports these days, We already depend on Masteries and items for actual gold/damage.... It's Like Food Stamps by Rito.summoner 31

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