No, this isn't just a 
rant. This goes to all ADC players who has a habit of thinking he would be a-ok without his support around. If I'm leaving somewhere just to ward the jungle/tri-bush/river, learn to back off until I come back.
#But muh CS...!
I rather you lose 10 minions instead of giving away 300 gold & assist golds to the enemy bot lane.
AVL Prince22 votesbut like Idk Their alistar flash wq It's just Like Idk what u want me to do
Hello I am Bird4 votesI laughed at this more than I should have.
Fırewall17 votesUh, as a main support. And I don't mean to say there aren't alot of crappy marksman who do this... but... I often see this being done alot, which is the support randomly abandoning the lane at the worst possible time frame to ward, WITHOUT even pinging. Way, too often.
A support should always ask himself before leaving lane: -Is a minion wave about to arrive? -Where is the enemy jungler + midlaner? If the jungler was just seen top 1 second ago, and the mid laner is currently farming, there is no reason to waste ward time. -Does the enemy support have flash + reliable engage?
You don't just walk away from your marksman if the enemy is a Blitz with flash up... you kindly ask him to come ward with you, or force the enemies out of lane.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
chipndip12 votesUh, as a main support. And I don't mean to say there aren't alot of crappy marksman who do this... but... I often see this being done alot, which is the support randomly abandoning the lane at the worst possible time frame to ward, WITHOUT even pinging. Way, too often.
A support should always ask himself before leaving lane: -Is a minion wave about to arrive? -Where is the enemy jungler + midlaner? If the jungler was just seen top 1 second ago, and the mid laner is currently farming, there is no reason to waste ward time. -Does the enemy support have flash + reliable engage?
You don't just walk away from your marksman if the enemy is a Blitz with flash up... you kindly ask him to come ward with you, or force the enemies out of lane.
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
If your adc is this dependent on you that you can't go do other support things when you feel you need to, you won't get into good habits like roaming and deep warding because you'll feel tethered to your adc 24/7.
If I go ward/roam/buy without my adc, my adc should be smart enough to wait out of range and just focus on soaking up exp and dodging skill shots. If they can't manage that, just wait for me by the turret. Likewise, when I adc and my support leaves, I stay as far back as I can while still getting exp and use skill shots to farm until they return. I don't agree that the support should leave frequently or dilly-dally for way too long when they do leave, but I'm tired of being gone from lane for just a little bit...and next thing I know my adc gets slain in the middle of the lane.
Fırewall5 votesIf your adc is this dependent on you that you can't go do other support things when you feel you need to, you won't get into good habits like roaming and deep warding because you'll feel tethered to your adc 24/7.
If I go ward/roam/buy without my adc, my adc should be smart enough to wait out of range and just focus on soaking up exp and dodging skill shots. If they can't manage that, just wait for me by the turret. Likewise, when I adc and my support leaves, I stay as far back as I can while still getting exp and use skill shots to farm until they return. I don't agree that the support should leave frequently or dilly-dally for way too long when they do leave, but I'm tired of being gone from lane for just a little bit...and next thing I know my adc gets slain in the middle of the lane.
But that's the thing, I suppose it's a difference in ideology. I walk into the game with a clear goal set in my mind "I'm here to ensure that my marksman carries.", and while sometimes, that may change to "My marksman is incompetent, let me instead, support the midlaner." It doesn't change the fact that, people will be different.
If I notice that my marksman is carefull and wary, then I'll play accordingly. If I determine that I can't even walk away from him 2 seconds without him endangering himself, then that triggers an entire different playstyle.
Supports tend to forget that they're supposed to be flexible. That's the magic of our role to me, it's our incredible ability to adapt accordingly to what our team needs.
chipndip11 votesBut that's the thing, I suppose it's a difference in ideology. I walk into the game with a clear goal set in my mind "I'm here to ensure that my marksman carries.", and while sometimes, that may change to "My marksman is incompetent, let me instead, support the midlaner." It doesn't change the fact that, people will be different.
If I notice that my marksman is carefull and wary, then I'll play accordingly. If I determine that I can't even walk away from him 2 seconds without him endangering himself, then that triggers an entire different playstyle.
Supports tend to forget that they're supposed to be flexible. That's the magic of our role to me, it's our incredible ability to adapt accordingly to what our team needs.
Just because you have to help out mid for a minute doesn't mean you never go back bot lane...
Fırewall3 votesJust because you have to help out mid for a minute doesn't mean you never go back bot lane...
But, that becomes a risk vs reward.
If I can rely on my marksman to still keep farm up, and not get caught, then it's clear cut I'm going to go lend mid a hand. If I can rely on him, to atleast stay alive, at the cost of farm, I'm heightening the risk, I might be going mid, possibly fail, and what's left is that I lost exp, and my marksman lost CS, or I might suceed, burn a spell, maybe get a kill. If he can't be trusted to stay alone, it turns into, does he come with me? Or does he go base? Or do I stay? And so on.
See where I'm getting at?
My marksman is just another resource, not a player, but a resource. If I left lane, and he died, well.. shame on him for not playing safe, but my biggest focus becomes "Why was I there not to ensure that dumbass didn't die... urgh.. my fault."
chipndip13 votesBut, that becomes a risk vs reward.
If I can rely on my marksman to still keep farm up, and not get caught, then it's clear cut I'm going to go lend mid a hand. If I can rely on him, to atleast stay alive, at the cost of farm, I'm heightening the risk, I might be going mid, possibly fail, and what's left is that I lost exp, and my marksman lost CS, or I might suceed, burn a spell, maybe get a kill. If he can't be trusted to stay alone, it turns into, does he come with me? Or does he go base? Or do I stay? And so on.
See where I'm getting at?
My marksman is just another resource, not a player, but a resource. If I left lane, and he died, well.. shame on him for not playing safe, but my biggest focus becomes "Why was I there not to ensure that dumbass didn't die... urgh.. my fault."
Trust me, I get you. I play both adc and support, and irl friends that support me when I adc trust that I won't die enough that they'll roam WHENEVER they think they got to.
When I support, since I main Sona and Sona sucks at roaming, I don't usually roam. I might go help in a fight that's already happening, but Sona doesn't gank well...and neither does Nami, anyway. Due to this, I tend to just stick to my adc at almost all times, but sometimes I still have to back early because I'm out of pots or I gotta buy something important. In the time it takes for me to get back, my adc tends to die. I mean, it's SIGNIFICANTLY more gold efficient for me to grab the gold item upgrade the sooner I can, but sometimes my adc just will not let me. That type of thing is annoying.
MorganKaines1 votesSona doesn't gank well? I have to disagree.
Played with my sister once, and she was playing VS a Kata. She was struggling, and jungler refused to help her.
I went there twice, both times with my ult ready. CCed the Kata and got my sister 2 kills in a row until she had caught up and could handle the Kata on her own.
Sona can gank just fine with her E to speed her up and her ult to lock down high danger opponents.
Nothing is more dangerous than getting locked down under enemy tower.
chipndip12 votesSona doesn't gank well? I have to disagree.
Played with my sister once, and she was playing VS a Kata. She was struggling, and jungler refused to help her.
I went there twice, both times with my ult ready. CCed the Kata and got my sister 2 kills in a row until she had caught up and could handle the Kata on her own.
Sona can gank just fine with her E to speed her up and her ult to lock down high danger opponents.
Nothing is more dangerous than getting locked down under enemy tower.
No offense, but my point still stands. I have a good enough handle on the character, in my belief anyway, to understand that Sona's ganks on mid lane aren't very strong + are very costly towards her since her ult has a very long cd early on. Sona isn't going to want to roam.
MorganKaines1 votesWith morello and ardent you get the CD down fairly enough, and with the new masteries the 45 % CD reduction helps a lot as well. And I don't take offense, not over simple disagreements, so no worries :) Her ult aside for those enemy champ you need to pin down, your Q empowered AA and speed up can still help the midlaner get an upper hand. Basically, I see no reason why she can't help in a pinch, and plenty reasons for why her coming in to gank can yield favorable results. Plus her heal + shield means that midlaner can jump in and finish off without having to be so concerned about dying in the attempt. I can roam just fine with her, but it depends on the match, the enemies and the ally ADC of course.
chipndip12 votesWith morello and ardent you get the CD down fairly enough, and with the new masteries the 45 % CD reduction helps a lot as well. And I don't take offense, not over simple disagreements, so no worries :) Her ult aside for those enemy champ you need to pin down, your Q empowered AA and speed up can still help the midlaner get an upper hand. Basically, I see no reason why she can't help in a pinch, and plenty reasons for why her coming in to gank can yield favorable results. Plus her heal + shield means that midlaner can jump in and finish off without having to be so concerned about dying in the attempt. I can roam just fine with her, but it depends on the match, the enemies and the ally ADC of course.
I'm gonna break this down as simply as I can:
Supports that are best for roaming are those with relatively reliable hard cc. You don't get that long to do something once you step into view. Hard cc buys more time for more damage. Sona has to use her ult just to hard cc someone, and that ult is on a long cd.
You won't have max cdr during laning unless you're a cdr fiend that got 15% cdr runes/masteries, rushed Morello, and got Luci boots. Maybe then you can cap out your cdr during laning, but you wouldn't have a ton of essentials like Sightstone, sweeper, and your gold income upgrade.
Any Sona player that builds Athene's probably doesn't understand what they're doing and why it's such a bad item to build. Taking a step back to look at it, FQC + Morello + Athene's = 300% mana regen by tomorrow, and 350% today. That's way too much mana regen. If you really need more mana regen, just go FQC + Morello and call it a day. Athene's is a bad item in most scenarios, and shouldn't be used on any mage support seeing how they get tons of mana regen options that are way better.
On Your Side2 votesUnless you are really low elo, there is a sincerely good chance the brush you're trying to ward will have a vision ward in it. The best time to ward that brush is during a minion wave, when their carry is less likely to tear himself away from farming. In solo queue, most carries even at a higher elo aren't going to come help you clear the vision to safeguard your lane and it is super important that you clear the vision so their jungler doesn't have free access to your lane.
If your carry gets flash engaged on and doesn't flash to disengage, then it's 100% on your carry as well. Your carry should also recognize the potential to be engaged on as not all supports can disengage like Janna. Fortunately I've reached the elo where my carries are grateful I know where to ward and when to ward, so they are happy to eat a few seconds of getting zoned so they can push afterwards without worrying about getting ganked from overextending.
Fırewall2 votes[{quoted}](name=On Your Side,realm=EUNE,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=N0JeBHAO,comment-id=00070002,timestamp=2016-01-13T14:16:53.277+0000)
Unless you are really low elo, there is a sincerely good chance the brush you're trying to ward will have a vision ward in it. The best time to ward that brush is during a minion wave, when their carry is less likely to tear himself away from farming. In solo queue, most carries even at a higher elo aren't going to come help you clear the vision to safeguard your lane and it is super important that you clear the vision so their jungler doesn't have free access to your lane.
If your carry gets flash engaged on and doesn't flash to disengage, then it's 100% on your carry as well. Your carry should also recognize the potential to be engaged on as not all supports can disengage like Janna. Fortunately I've reached the elo where my carries are grateful I know where to ward and when to ward, so they are happy to eat a few seconds of getting zoned so they can push afterwards without worrying about getting ganked from overextending.
But, why is the marksman choosing to stop me from de-warding such a bad thing? Depending on your support, you can easily abuse the fact that to move up to you, he has to traverse a very narrow gap. If I'm in full awareness I can take the damage(factoring in my marksman's reaction time to get there), where the enemy jungler is, and where the mid laner is, I can often turn this into a very positive trade.
You said it yourself below, botlane is difficult, as there is WAY too much matchups. Too many little details. Being in a lane with 4 people adds to the equation alot. 8 different summoners to track, 16 abilities to keep wary of, masteries, runes, the jungler, the midlaner roaming.
The same exact situation can be very harmless or very dangerous depending on what is up or about to be. Depending on the champions involved. People are considering botlane to be "too" much arbitrary, when it's possibly the less set in stone lane.
Alot of guys here are giving more importance to bitching about this or that, than getting into the support mentality and more importantly, the mentality to win.
Kotex13 votesomg.... i have this problem so much and i just dont get it. When you say youre going to go do [x] (backing, or warding, assisting jungler for a moment) and they think its the best time to play aggressively outnumbered or risk their lives to get those 2 CS.
"My shitty support left me alone!" because you having clearly realized that im not there to help/save you thought that was the best time to put yourself in a position where you need to be helped/saved.
TaoistMaster11 votesYAYYYY SUPPORT CIRCLE JERK!!!
WE CARRY YOU
TheSheepyShep5 votes
kaltenashes3 votes
Blazemanexe2 votes
DazedOnlooker5 votes
Ive seen some things man......
......ive seen some things.... Hugging knees while crying in a corner on the floor.........
Crownsy10 votesNo, this isn't just a
#But muh CS...!
I rather you lose 10 minions instead of giving away 300 gold & assist golds to the enemy bot lane.
Preach. like every other game, we'll have the enemy bot lane pushed to thier tower, and I will type "going to ward" and ping "on my way" to river and while I'm dropping wards It's
SHUTDOWN
Adc: Fucking trash support leaves lane for no reason
sigh....
Dehorn7 votesim no support main. if im support, i was forced to support. i have no patience for adcs that try to fight 1v2, die, and then flame me for it. you get one warning. flame me again for your bad play and im perma-roaming.
CarameI Frappe6 votes.. I wanted to laugh, and agree- but this is so painfully true I cringe from how factual this turns out to be. Like, no matter what I tell my ADC (mostly happens in Solo Que) which goes like:
: Hey, i'll be right back. Need to ward the dragon real quick. Stay safe.
: Continues to farm without saying anything
: Pings for his attention I'll be right back, please stay safe.
: Sure.
An ally has been slain
: Dude, i've only been gone for 15 seconds, what happened?!
: You left me and I got killed while farming. You suck Nami.
: Didn't I say to please wait for me? I was right above tower's bush to ward dragon.
: Whatever. Go to mid I don't need a support.
... Freaken. Every. Time. I. Swear. To. God.
nami tf3 votesI sea the problem now...
TheFameAnimal5 votesI get SO annoyed when this happens, and then they have the nerve to blame me for leaving them, I usually type in chat warding river care to give them a heads up but naooooooo they still die FML [slayer-jinx-unamused]
Akenero5 votesIve left to ward the TRIBUSH and my carry is tower diving
Oh thank god, upvotes Im not the only one XD
Silver Fluffenbu4 votesdoes the support captain the lane by doing whatever they want and leaving to ward, and is that a good thing?
is the adc losing 5/8 of a kill worth it? And why does it take you a 10 minion amount of time to ward?
Is there a better time to place deep wards that minimizes cs loss?
TaoistMaster27 votessounds like you never supp but always blame your supp
BADxW0LF13 votesdoes the support captain the lane by doing whatever they want and leaving to ward, and is that a good thing?
...yes they do. The support has the map awareness to allow the ADC to CS. And it's not whatever they want. It's so we can see the enemy jungler coming in for a gank and warn you to stop CSing and back the f**k up.
is the adc losing 5/8 of a kill worth it?
Again, absolutely because if you are going for that 5/8 of a kill and their jungler comes and destroys you before you can even get the kill...was it worth it? Have some awareness for your partner in lane and don't do dumb crap while they go throw a quick ward to help with vision for your selfish ass. I've been thinking a lot about people like you lately and I normally go support top lane if my adc is like you.
And why does it take you a 10 minion amount of time to ward?
It doesn't? All he said was to not go aggressive and try to 2v1. Nobody said anything about stopping your cs. Warding the river (that little bush more commonly done) is not that far. You can still cs safely.
Is there a better time to place deep wards that minimizes cs loss?
If you're going to complain and come up with this question...maybe you have a better answer about when you would like to have vision on incoming ganks. Warding the river is not a deep ward. You should have no problem continuing to CS without the support for 5 seconds. If you do, you may be the problem.
Spacesuit Spiff4 votesYa this stuff is classic. Players that demand their team bend over backwards and perform like gods just to fix the problems theyre causing.
chipndip14 votesYa this stuff is classic. Players that demand their team bend over backwards and perform like gods just to fix the problems theyre causing.
I especially hate that mentality. If I want to surrender, I don't need the main source of my problems telling me I shouldn't, and that "You learn from playing from behind".
If you weren't 1/8, I wouldn't be behind as an adc that's 5/1.
Shroom Junkie1 votes[{quoted}](name=Silver Fluffenbu,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=N0JeBHAO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-12T16:21:44.997+0000)
does the support captain the lane by doing whatever they want and leaving to ward, and is that a good thing?
is the adc losing 5/8 of a kill worth it? And why does it take you a 10 minion amount of time to ward?
Is there a better time to place deep wards that minimizes cs loss?
He's saying he'd rather the ADC lose 10 minions than die to them, and the support doesn't "captain" the lane, he supports, and wards, and shit that ADC's cry and cry and cry about for them to do so they do it.
chipndip12 votesHe's saying he'd rather the ADC lose 10 minions than die to them, and the support doesn't "captain" the lane, he supports, and wards, and shit that ADC's cry and cry and cry about for them to do so they do it.
Being real: If you're a good support and you aren't Soraka or Janna, you're probably commanding the lane or fighting for lane dominance with the other support. Supports control bot lane until adcs hit some spikes.
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Lovely Pants3 votesYeah, map awareness at all times is a good thing, but let's face it. Most of us are going to have great lapses in attention. Preventative measures to make it easier for your ally to not fail go a long way. I'm trying to make a habit of putting an "On My Way!" ping wherever I'm going out to ward and a "Danger!" ping if my ally is playing out of my effective range to catch up.
Shonjl1 votesIts not your job as a support to compensate for an ADC's lack of awareness. That is a player issue and their issue alone. Like when I have river warded and the enemy jungle is about to gank and my ADC is still there, I will and do gladly leave them for dead. Its one thing if it was a surprise, I will do what I can to get them out of there alive, its another when they can see it just like I can and don't react. When they don't and die since they are alone since I am by tower being safe, I just simply say what happened and mute them if they rage after. I am not dying as well due to someone elses stupid mistake.
Maybe its also the kind of support I play as well. I play Morgana so if my ADC is retarded or negative or a troll, I just take CS since I will be useful. I would rather be a good Morg that can turn teamfights then just suffer with an idiot ADC that will probably continue to be bad regardless. While people are sure to say that is bad. We all know since we all been there how these kinda people are. Just because you are ADC doesn't entitle you to CS. If I am a support that can benefit from it a lot as well and its clear you are deemed lacking, of course I will take any CS I can. You would be surprised how many games when supports do that end up winning when they coulda lost or games that lost when they coulda won when supports don't. Morgana, Annie, hell even Naut you would be surprised how powerful they are if they get CS. Morg and Annie since they can burst you and being tanky means they don't die easy. And Naut becomes even tankier faster and he actually outputs quite a surprising amount of damage, I have been surprised by how he could 1v1 an average ADC if he had CS.
Lovely Pants3 votesIt's nobody's job to look after anyone, cause this is just a dumb game and you can play it largely how you like.
Let me make myself clear: I'm nobody's martyr for playing support. I enjoy doing so and to hell with any sense of impotency, helplessness, or deprivation anyone on any side of the equation takes the role to mean. I am mighty support and I have a unique power to affect the flow of the game unavailable to other players most of the time. Rawr.
20-50 minutes is too short of a time for me to be interested in establishing some kind of hierarchical struggle with my ADC, however. There may be some fringe cases where it would be more beneficial for me to take the CS than my carry, but usually by the time that would actually be evident by their gameplay, it's of no consequence. At at any rate, there's seldom the case where I feel I would rather turn the game into a 4v5 than simply exercise a little psychological management. I find it a consistent strategy to win in the lower ELO brackets.
This is not the same thing as sacrificing yourself needlessly. If I have no great probability of aiding a teammate without feeding a life that would have been more useful elsewhere, I have no problem in doing so.
But exercising just a fucking fraction of direction, encouragement, and the human capacity to forgive and build on a mistake is hardly an effort.
Litharien2 votesLovely Pants (the name stands in heavy contrast to your posting :-D),
I dearly thank you for proving that there is indeed intelligent life in this community. No offense towards the general community, but given the average League player, that was the most outstanding example of eloquence and common sense I was allowed to see in the Boards for a long time, if ever. I even have to admit that I feel inspired by this sentence of yours:
"20-50 minutes is too short of a time for me to be interested in establishing some kind of hierarchical struggle with my..."
That is brilliant, and true, and has really stricken me. I did intentionally leave out the "...my ADC", because I think this is transferable to the complete team, and also I don't really play ADC, I am more of a mid laner, low ranked (motivated, but lacking of real talent - probably just too fucking old :-D)
In the last time I occasionally took it too serious, although constantly being aware that it's just a game, wihch made me forget this sometimes:
"But exercising just a fucking fraction of direction, encouragement, and the human capacity to forgive and build on a mistake is hardly an effort."
This brings me back down to earth (was not high up, but still...) and will unequivocally let me enjoy upcoming games more, so I dearly thank you for your comment.
If you should happen to have an EU West account, let me know.
(The usual disclaimer: I from Germany, so I ask to excuse possible (probable...) mistakes in my English text. Thank you :-) )
Oh, my part to the general discussion:
I agree, that the ADC should not engage enemies, while the support is warding :-)
CrustySocks76 votesoften times the support doesn't ping or say anything and i'm too tunnel visioned to notice them walk off and get hopped on by
If you ain't noticing your 2"x 2" support leaving your side on a big square picture in front of your face, then no amount of wards are going to help when supporting you in Lane..
IsmokeOregano2 votes[deleted]
BADxW0LF7 votesYou need to practice on your tunnel vision then. Not everyone is going to think the way you do and you can't expect them to. Work out how you can better look at both the cs when needed and your support/opponents.
MugyvrNinja31 votesIf you ain't noticing your 2"x 2" support leaving your side on a big square picture in front of your face, then no amount of wards are going to help when supporting you in Lane..
He deleted his message XD Rekt
FastAsHeck10 votesHe deleted it but he got Shrekt by the Quote
Rew7113 votesI had a time where I went as Janna, and I was with a Ezreal and we were the only two having a hard time. Ezreal just kept complaining, and guess what it was. He complained that I was ruining his chances of gaining CS, though he wasn't attacking the minions anyway. He also complained that I went a head and got 
instead of 
. I'm going to be honest, I don't and never really liked the item. Before the change, I began to like it due to the ability to slow in a area rather than a auto target slow, it worked better in team fights to control who would get the damage + slow. Anyway, I liked this one better because Janna could use the large mana regen and the heal it gives. We eventually won, but that is just one of the many things Supports have to put up with... I don't try to KS but its just a kill, if I don't stick with you after then I'm being a bad support for not helping you compensate; if I take some CS, then don't cry about it because its gone and it would had been a mass wave that you would had lost anyway to the turret; and if we about to get a gank or if you're about to get hit by a one shot ability like Caitlyn's I will dive for the hit because I'd rather you survive. Don't get mad at me if one of those ways is to kill the opposing guy who is killing you, you're killing him, and I help to secure the kill by accidentally killing them.
3lancer2 votesI had a time where I went as Janna, and I was with a Ezreal and we were the only two having a hard time. Ezreal just kept complaining, and guess what it was. He complained that I was ruining his chances of gaining CS, though he wasn't attacking the minions anyway. He also complained that I went a head and got
You think that the old frost queen was better than the new one? o_____o
Rew7112 votesIt was a preference, but I liked the other two better. Though 
seemed to be for kit reliant supports, I preferred it more because instead of a risky slow it would give a unanimous speed boost. The original slow also felt like it took skill to master, and do more than give a opening for other champs... this one is treated like a jungle item and is used to lock down enemies who can't counter this at all. You should also stop giving a -1 because of your preference, and if you didn't I'm sorry for giving such a crude remark. Either way, opinions of a support main shouldn't be questionable, so why ask? If I go as Zilean and I want to get a healing item because I don't heal, its the same as a Tank/Fighter support getting a 
.
DaCush2 votesMaybe he plays on a small ass monitor with a really good resolution. Where's your 2" x 2" now xD
CrustySocks2 votesMaybe he plays on a small ass monitor with a really good resolution. Where's your 2" x 2" now xD
Considering how many "can I play league of legends on this calculator with 1mb of memory and 1.5" screen" threads I've seen since day 1 I wouldn't be surprised!
kaltenashes7 votesso you dont know where the enemy jungler is, the enemy mid laner is, your support left to ward and you're still playing aggressive enough to be in leona's E range? gj for leona
map awareness is important, even things like helping to get a takedown when the enemy jungler invades your ally jungler in the early game, can really make the enemy jungler fall behind and your jungler more stronger
Crownsy15 votesoften times the support doesn't ping or say anything and i'm too tunnel visioned to notice them walk off and get hopped on by
sounds like a personal problem. Even if your Supp doesn't ping (which they should) not noticing you teammate leaving lane is so bad. you sound like the kind of person that yells at mid for "wtf no MIA????" when it's been pinged 6 times on your mini map.
