As awful as we all think Zed is, I'd rather lane against him than Talon.

Over Innsmouth··6 votes·1,002 views

Ok, so I don't love laning against Zed, obviously. He's still annoying with his poke range and safety, as well as all-in potential.

But good lord would I rather see him against me than fucking Talon.

Zed (in my eyes) falls into the class of Champion that I deem Balanced, but Overloved, which also includes such Champions as Ahri LeeSin . Champions whose kits in my mind are balanced, but have just a one or two things too much that make them overbearing or have higher-than-reasonable numbers.

For all the bitching and moaning about Zed (and believe me, I've done my fair share) he is one of the fairer assassins. You can actually dodge most of his kit without too much difficultly, it just takes good predictions and a bit of luck to do so. There are measures you can take against him when he ults you other than "stick your thumb in your ass and die"; such as group with your team so that he can't wail on you with impunity, or (if you have it) line up some cc since his ult is quite telegraphed by League standards and he always appears behind you.

I'll admit it helps being a Vladimir main and having a readily available tool to completely negate his ult while putting it on full CD whenever he uses it.

But Talon? Fuck Talon.

Fuck his point-click, instant blink that amps damage and slows. Fuck his Rake which although shorter than Zed's shuriken, is significantly wider and faster, and slows. Fuck his AA reset-bleeding Q. And fuck his "dad-playing-peekaboo-with-his-baby" ultimate, except here the dad's trying to shank his child with a hidden blade the edgiest, most twelve-year-old-iest cape I've ever seen.

Sure he's not as safe as Zed, but safety doesnt matter when your enemy is watching you through a grey screen.

I just...

Fuck Talon.

Babyrant over

EDIT: This wasnt meant to be a "Talon is secretly more awful than Zed and everyone's been wrong all along", it's an "I personally hate Talon more than Zed". Maybe it's because I lane against Zed much more often so I know how he functions and the speed at which Talon's stuff goes off is faster than I'm used to because I'm not mechanically great, maybe it's not.

Obviously Zed is stronger and better at more things, otherwise he wouldnt be borderline pick/ban.

16 Comments

MunchCrunchLunch4 votes

the thing is talon has a lot less counterplay than zed but much easier to kill if you know what your doing. and hes fairly weak until he reaches level 6

Dr W3 votes

I stopped reading when you said Zed is one of the fairer Assassins.

Over Innsmouth1 votes

I mean, compare him to Leblanc Rengar Fizz Katarina Akali Tryndamere and of courseTalon , and IMO he's fairer.

But you're free to have your own opinion, just as I have mine.

Voluug132 votes

Trynda isnt even an assassin, while the rest have actual counterplay and you can abuse their weaknesses.

LB, Rengar, Fizz, Talon dont have reliable/spameable waveclear so you can starve them and push them to their tower and force to use mana or never roam.

Kata and Akali have ludicrous amounts of counterplay in teamfights, and have horrid earlygame.

Zed meanwhile barely has bad match-ups, and not ''cant get a kill per 3 minutes'', but actually bad match-ups.

The biggest thing is (aside from LB and maybe Fizz, but those have mana and fall off/have actually bad earlygame) all of those can be punished and none has a free easy escape in case they messed up, on top of all the other advantages Zed has (manaless, strong poke, safe assassination, safe farming and easy lasthitting).

DarkLarvitar1 votes

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But you're free to have your own opinion, just as I have mine.

no such thing as free opinion on the internet, you have a bad opinion here and you get made fun of worse then 4th grade

Nilok3 votes

Nope, fighting Talon is much easier since unless he ults, he has to all in and actually act like an assassin instead of being able to easily fall back on being and AD mage with endless resources for poking.

pripustas3 votes

No escape if goes in pre-6, even then he's countered by pink and cc. Q is bugged, and very hard to hit. The animation is super duper slow and buggy. Gated by mana, can't spam forever like zed.

KVbqbFsC8e3 votes

I wouldn't. Not that I really have a big problem with either of them, but at least you can use a lane advantage vs Talon, while Zed will just be farming safely and manalessly from a mile away.

D3m37r12 votes

Zed :Get in, Kill carry, Get out.

Talon Get in, Kill carry,get collapsed upon by the enemy team,fk

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

Man 1v5 is a mode in the new rotating queue? Because surely you can't be talking about summoners rift where Talon would have 4 team mates as well, likely with another form of AOE to stack with his. And its not like Talons are the one to start a team fight.

KVbqbFsC8e3 votes

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Man 1v5 is a mode in the new rotating queue? Because surely you can't be talking about summoners rift where Talon would have 4 team mates as well, likely with another form of AOE to stack with his. And its not like Talons are the one to start a team fight.

Its actually an accurate description. Thats exactly what Talon does later on in teamfights. Assassinates a carry, and then gets blown up.

Voluug132 votes

You can sustain through Talon's attacks, he uses mana, he is a below mediocre pusher and doesnt have the mixed damage + izi far passive.

Sustain, push him to his tower and he will go OoM and lose farm. He is also much more unsafe that Zed's.

TBH unless you got massively counterpicked Talon is much less aggravating that Zed.

Grinding2 votes

everyone's entitled to their opinion yes, but, you cant compare these too assassins, there is really no reason for an assassin to have "safety" in their kits, in exchange for being able to one shot carries they put them selves at risk, zed is quite simply too safe, no assassin should be able to nuke anyone and just leave as if nothing happened, this is why they took silence away from talon and LB, ALSO you listed ahri and lee as being balanced which is hilarious they are what happens when you over load a champions kit they may seem in a good place now but only after a large number of nerfs, I think I've seen lee get nerf 4-6 times consecutively and hes still one of the best jglr's #balancedkit

as for your counter play suggestion of just kill him before he kills you, pretty sure that's a base concept for winning any sort of game pvp or pve, people don't have a problem with zed before 6 the issue is even if you're winning laning phase he can just opt out stand halfway across the lane and farm, then at 6 he can just ult and trade kills with the opposing laner, and when you go even with zed in lane he comes out ahead

Calabok1 votes

Vision ward

Best Lee Sin OH1 votes

You know you're gonna get downvote spammed for not thinking that Zed is broken, right?

Over Innsmouth1 votes

I'm aware, but I'm allowed to have my opinion, right?

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