@Riot, The Current State of Fiora is not ok.

Over Innsmouth··179 votes·7,357 views

As the title says, I believe that the state of Fiora is not ok for game health.

I hate walking into lane or setting shop up in my jungle and seeing Fiora, which almost immediately means we're going to lose lane if she's halfway competent. And even if by some miracle of jungling intervention or immense personal skill you beat her, she'll still scale up and tear a team apart.

I don't mind her doing damage. I don't mind her getting great rewards for great skill on the Fiora players' part, in fact I endorse it! That's the point of the champion after all.

What I am not ok with is seeing THIS: item 3748 item 3071 item 3053 item 3009 item 3065 item 3742 On a champion who's classified in the same category as MasterYi Yasuo Tryndamere , who are expected to and indeed forced to build actual damage items in order to deal damage.

If Fiora gets to hurt me, I want to hurt her back, not be faced with a %hp true damage dealing meat wall of minimal-cd, minimal-cost dashes boasting the health and stats of a Juggernaut. You made Juggernauts with the design that their flaw is lack of inherit mobility and sticking power, so don't make the first rework of the so-called light-fighters allowed to get away with this.

Perhaps (like with Ekko ) nerf her bases and boost her scalings so she's tempted to build damage. Perhaps revert the hotfix buff from the patch when people were still re-learning her on her Q. Perhaps put more skill into her by not making Q a half-brainless, auto-target for vitals, or up the mana cost so she isnt effectively manaless. Perhaps (like with Yasuo ) gut his bases so she has to rely on the obscene amount of stuff her kit offers. Perhaps make her Q not proc vitals, but simply put her in position for her next AA to proc the vital, enticing her to build AS items or use the cd on her E.

These are just suggestions, any combination of them or however you address her would be welcome by me and the not-small part of the community that finds themselves banning her in Ranked (20% right now on champion.gg).

Another thing; her Riposte ability. Thematically it's meant to be used reactively to turn a fight in her favour through her skill. So why - when used willy-nilly just to trade or even when it's baited out by the other player - does it still deal damage, slow and have a 50% AS slow.

Just. Why.

EDIT: 56 comments and 47 upvotes in, this has surely reached the front page. It'd be wonderful if a Red could pop in and at least say something like; "We understand and will address this in time" or "Tough shit, have fun with your 5 ban choices", anything.

Just some closure would be fine.

152 Comments

weeaboomer45 votes

MasterYi item 3124 item 3931 +tank. yeah "forced" to build dmg to do dmg, okay...

Over Innsmouth29 votes

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MasterYi item 3124 item 3931 +tank. yeah "forced" to build dmg to do dmg, okay...

That's arguably a circumstance of the item combination being broken, not Yi - unlike Fiora. And last I checked, that's still a pure DPS build with no defensive stats.

LankPants23 votes

The best Yi build is something like item 3931 item 3124 / item 3153 item 3053 item 3742 item 3156 and boots. You don't need the Guinsuo's/Blade however and selling it off late game for something like item 3022 is often a good idea.

Being a glass cannon melee who needs to stay in range has never really worked. Assassins work because they only need to be in their range for a short time. Tryn has historically worked because he's not really a glass cannon with his ult.

Outside of Cardboard VII Yi's never really worked as a full damage dealer, he's always built more bruiser than straight damage. Except for AP Yi, I still have PTSD from that 3 years on.

Over Innsmouth8 votes

Fair enough, but again I'd argue that's less a problem with Yi and more with current itemization, but I concede your point.

Still, the thread is about Fiora, any thoughts about her?

LankPants8 votes

Still, the thread is about Fiora, any thoughts about her?

Mostly that %true damage is a stupid mechanic that shouldn't exist in the game.

I don't have a problem with her build path or playstyle, she's realistically not going to work as a glass cannon. I just feel like there needs to be a way to build to survive her, if your defensive items made some ground against her she'd feel much less oppressive.

Over Innsmouth13 votes

True damage is inherently stupid, stupider when it's %hp. But, as you can see it's not only the %hp true damage I have an issue with.

When I can't run away from nor survive Fiora building as shown above while playing/building: Udyr item 3930 item 3009 item 3742 item 3065 item 3025 item 3748 , there is something wrong.

LankPants10 votes

True damage is inherently stupid, stupider when it's %hp.

I have no problems with most true damage. Abilities like Hiten Style, Wuju Style and Reckless Swing just inform how you should build against that champion. Items like Rand's and DMP become better options relative to things like FH and IBG.

I mostly just have problems with Silver Bolts and Duelist's Dance. These abilities just serve to undermine defensive items.

Ver Danielle3 votes

step 1) Play Lissandra step 2) Collect Fiora's tears step 3) Freeze them and add them to your collection

Every single piece of Liss' kit counters Fiora.

Cosnirak6 votes

Until she ripostes your ult if you use it on her or your W if you only ult yourself. :p Also she can buy QSS.

There are 2 big problems though even if the Fiora's never manage those sick ripostes. 1: You shouldn't have to pick exactly 1 or 2 champions in order to not get wrecked by 1 otherwise overpowered champion. 2: Fiora doesn't have to win lane, she doesn't have to kill Lissandra. She can just go elsewhere if you let her or farm safely and force both teams to effectively 4v4 if you can somehow always be where she is while being Lissandra.

The best counter to Fiora is well coordinated cc chaining and simply playing so safe around her that she can never get kills. Even pro teams have a difficult time pulling it off, for everyone else it's just something you hope happens.

Ver Danielle3 votes

Liss' R and W is INSTANT without CAST TIME or anything similar. If she parries it, it's only your misplay and fault, using ability into riposte. Fiora buying QSS means you and your team having more time to get real items against her. Also every Fiora player tends to get twitchy if you play Lissandra against them, so if you fake your movements they WILL riposte and fail to parry anything. This means 2 things: she will get OOM very quickly, and you will get many openings because her defenses will be down. There's nothing easier than walking up to stunned (riposting) Fiora and waiting for her to end so you can just press W->Q

As for your 2 big problems 1: The same argument can be said against many other champions. Take Heimer top for example, you can't deal with him with most meta champions, you can't counter him by building items, and he WILL stomp you, but that doesn't make him broken. You can counter him with Sion and Syndra, just like Liss does with Fiora.

2: You can shut her down very easily with Liss. If she tries to swap you have the advantage, as you can lane against ADC+supp, but she can't. If she goes to mid you can go there as well, but as mid champions are usually ranged mages they shouldn't have big problems with denying her if she's already behind.

As i said, if Heimer was as popular as Fiora, everyone would cry about him with same arguments as you have. That doesn't make you wrong, you just have to look at the whole picture.

The Mighty Flea7 votes

Believe it or not, Lissandra's Ultimate has a cast time. If you flash, Riposte, or dash at the right time you can either A: totally block it with Riposte or B: dash over a wall in time for the ult to go off, stunning you in a different location than intended.

Cosnirak4 votes

The biggest telegraph is how the person is playing. You can riposte many instant cast things based on skill alone.

"Also every Fiora player tends to get twitchy if you play Lissandra against them"

I call extreme bullshit. This is generalizing and not how you balance champions anyways.

"The same argument can be said against many other champions. Take Heimer top for example, you can't deal with him with most meta champions, you can't counter him by building items, and he WILL stomp you, but that doesn't make him broken."

Not even remotely true. I can counter him with any champion with good wave clear. Items work fine against him.

Ver Danielle2 votes

Liss throws E at Fiora. Now fiora has too many variables to work with, because Liss can: Not take the ride Take the ride and instantly W Take the ride and just Q her and walk away Take the ride and R herself Take the ride and R Fiora Take the ride, wait until Fiora completes her Riposte and then just W+Q+R

Lissandra has way too many options here. Also even if Fiora manages to parry something, it's unlikely Liss will end up stunned, becuse Fiora doesn't know where Liss jumps. She can jump early or later or not at all and just walk next to Fiora while she parries.

As for heimer: Which current meta top champions have good wave clear in laning phase? When i look at Lolking or similar site with most popular top laners, only ones able to stand up against heimer are GP, Rene and maybe Mundo, and even then they may be not able to come ahead from laning against him.

The Mighty Flea3 votes

Or how about this! Fiora uses her pretty generous dash and simply, poosh, dashes away from the claw. Oh and whats that? She hit your vital and have a Phage? well even tougher luck because now shes faster than sonic.

Ver Danielle2 votes

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Or how about this! Fiora uses her pretty generous dash and simply, poosh, dashes away from the claw. Oh and whats that? She hit your vital and have a Phage? well even tougher luck because now shes faster than sonic.

Guys could you, just for a moment go into a game and pick Fiora against Lisandra or vice versa? This arguing is just stupid.

Cosnirak2 votes

In regards to Liss vs Fiora: Fiora can just get a Ravenous Hydra, QSS, riposte the damage from the E itself, and kill Lissandra while basically ignoring everything else Lissandra does. Lissandra can't kill her 1v1 before getting those items if Fiora plays safe. Lissandra's best option is to ult herself after taking a bunch of damage which lets Fiora get away and no one dies. The point is that none of this makes Fiora's current state balanced.

"Which current meta top champions have good wave clear in laning phase?"

So now suddenly the choices to beat him have to be "meta?" Heimer isn't meta, why do I only get meta choices to counter him? And meta according to who? What I consider meta and what you consider meta are probably not the same. And to top it all off, you listed 3 that can do fine against him. Personally I like Morgana and Ekko vs Heimer, but I'm pretty sure you don't consider of those two as "meta" in top lane right now. I'm not good with him at the moment but I'm pretty sure Graves could do well vs Heimer as well.

Sire Hippington28 votes

Tank fiora is also more a thing of itemisation. Titanic hydra is just insane in certain circumstances. With that gear the hydra offers 50 ad+50onhit, so 100 damage on every aa and 110 on every Q, and the active beeing an AA reset, allowing a good fiora to use 3 AAs after Q within a split second, with an aditional 400-500damage from the hydra active on top.

I played tanky yasuo with titanic and did well, i played Yi with devourer+titanic+bc+tank and cut trough squishys with no effort. It's not fiora haveing to much basedamage that allows this.

However, Fiora generally is broken regardless of tanky builts or not. I prefer a lifesteal focused built, usually hydra-BC-BT, and i certainly don't feel balanced. You can prettymuch dive 1 vs 4, survive burst+cc with a well timed W and then drain tank vs any remaining damage while shredding opponents appart in no time. Nerfing her bases and upping her already rediculous scaleings would just make her more snowbally in both direction, and her lategame might get totally out of controll.

Imo she needs a small scale rework, mostly number shiftings. Her q+e+AAs does way to much damage vs squishys, so her passive isn't needed vs squishys and she can just rightclick them to death with no counterplay. At the same time, the %truedamage scales way to hard, rendering any tank usless later on, again with little counterplay as tanks have not the needed mobillity to prevent her from procing vitals and their cc is countered by her W.

LankPants5 votes

At the same time, the %truedamage scales way to hard, rendering any tank usless later on

Crazy thought, but it should be changed to deal an equal amount of %Physical and %Magic damage. This puts the ability into a space where it's less effective against true tanks who just rush defence and has more power against bruisers and off tanks who build offence or HP first and as such delay their ability to buy 2 defensive stats.

Obviously other things would probably need to be changed too, but I feel like actually being able to have defences against Fiora would be a good thing.

Cowgirl Ed26 votes

+1 good thread I still don't understand why she hasn't been nerfed yet This rework is MORE UNHEALTHY than the old Fiora. At least you could kill the old one

ReshiKillim4 votes

Not during her ult you couldn't. Old Fiora with the right build could press R only and get a penta.

DorkunedAuras5 votes

Right build, really squishy stacked upon themselves enemy team, kinda fed (don't need to be too ahead). It's not common, but certainly old fiora ult plus Rav hydra was a good way to at least half hp an entire enemy team.

Lithium Rosa22 votes

The thing about Fiora is you can't build any defeinsive item to counter her, neither armor nor hp. Max HP% True damage is the dumbest thing ever existed. Oh at least you can build attack speed reduction against Vayne but that doesn't work against Fiora, plus Vayne doesn't deal nearly the same damage as Fiora.

I agree with removing the auto-target on her Q, that's a great idea, make it an actual skillshot would be perfect.

Ver Danielle4 votes

You don't counter Fiora with items (except QSS R, Zhnoyas) you counter her with your playstyle and certain champions. Things like running out of range when you have unfavourable weak point (reseting it), denying her R with walls/corners, luring and faking abilities to trigger riposte, even infamous QSSing her R. Also her Q has pretty interesting targeting mechanics, if you know how you can make her miss easily.

Renekton and Jax can easily devastate her with Riposte luring for example. Lissandra collects Fiora's frozen tears, as she has 2 instant CC abilities without any telegraphing, so any Riposte is purely lucky. She has spammable poke, very hard to chase. Able to disengage with E... When Fiora ults Liss, she can just R+Zhonya and wait for Fiora's R to expire...

Great Ozymandius7 votes

It's a handful of champions that counter Fiora and those are not even hard counters.

On the other hand Fiora hard counters a large number of champions. I'm fine with there being counters and even occasional hard counters, but being a tank top against her is simply stupid. At no point in the game will you ever have an advantage against her, she will way out-cs you if you play passively and she will farm you if you don't play passively, and she will get to late game fed. It is so frustrating when you know that the best outcome (as nasus for example) is to not die, avoiding fiora at all stages of the game, be gold and stack starved, contributing wither and e to teamfights, while fiora get a huge cs advantage and brings that huge advantage to the teamfights later. It's just stupid when there is nothing you can do against a semi-competent FIora.

Myrmiron11 votes

She's a lane bully that also scales super well. Hope she gets nerfed soon.

Sairentosutoka11 votes

I have a problem with her true damage its too high even if you shut her down in lane make her go 0/3/0 and be behind on 50+ CS all she needs is cleaver+hydra to literally wipe anyone out.

Malicious Metal3 votes

Precisely! You can shut her down as hard as you like, deny her every single cs, she WILL come back and bite you in the ass.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

I once had a game with Darius into Fiora Where I literally kill her about 6 times in lane, utterly destroy her, then later on, she catches me in my jungle alone, where I'm literally 2 items up on her, and she solo kills me. THIS IS NOT OK.

Fiora is about the ultimate duelist, being able to 1v1 anything. The problem is that Riot made it so that she can't be stopped from doing that when extremely behind. She will always be able to do that, regardless of how shut down she is.

Malicious Metal3 votes

I'm fine with her being able to 1v1 anyone but she should die like every other champion when focused!

DorkunedAuras2 votes

My perspective on Fiora is that if she's equal to you in gold and xp and such, she wins the 1v1. The problem is that she needs 2 items to 1v1 literally anything that exists, and if you're 0/8/0 (like my fiora was), she shouldn't be a threat, she should be irrelevant at that point.

The whole idea of feast or famine is that you're godly when fed (which she is) and you're fairly useless when behind (which she is far from).

She's Feast or still eating plenty. That's not ok.

Kederin9 votes

I've logged in just to upvote this thread.

Takes more skill to learn how to deal with her, than to actually play her well. Anti-Fiora mechanics? Maybe in high elo?

Fiora was my top lane main pre-rework but I no longer enjoy playing her since. I also ban her everytime I can, since she's the most anti-fun matchup in top lane, can 1v1 you at any point of the game, regardless of losing lane/farm. With low mana costs, in-and-out poke ability, mobility, attack speed steroid, anti-cc utility and a heal (wtf Rito?) laning phase means going through hell.

Moreover, feeling compelled to buy QSS against an AD melee fighter building tank is frustating. And don't even get me started on HP% true damage...

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Wînter Fox6 votes

That is such a terrible build on her, but it's genius at the same time. Let's do some math:

  • item 3071 item 3748 are the only two items that even give AD in that build - 105 bonus AD

  • Fiora's passive: Basic attacks and Riposte against a Vital deal 3% (+ 2.8% - 4.5% (based on level)% per 100 Bonus AD) of target's maximum health bonus true damage

Let's say 4% per 100 bonus AD. 3% + 4% = 7%. So she's in the middle of a team fight, uses a Q to proc one champion's vital for a total of 7% max HP true damage. With Titanic Hydra that makes 8% max HP true damage. On a 2,000 HP target that's a grand total of 160 bonus true damage. Wow. So OP. That means using her ult on this target and even managing to hit all four times is a total of 640 true damage.

Compare this to one Mundo Q which does 25% current HP as magic damage.

What makes this build genius is the fact that it makes Fiora nothing more than a glorified distraction. The Fiora player knows everyone hates her because "omg op troo dmage wtf" and will automatically focus her in team fights no matter what. So Fiora builds full tank and doesn't do too much damage in reality, but since everyone is FOCUSING A TANK she does her job beautifully. This is exactly like Tank Katarina (Tankarina) back in the day where everyone would hop on her despite her building full tank simply because it's Kat. It's reverse psychology at it's finest.

Over Innsmouth7 votes

Perhaps.

The issue I'm describing is that with this build, Fiora can output more-than-sufficient damage to destroy at least one single-target - never mind getting the gigantic heal of her ult off - while still being tankier than anyone with her mobility, anti-cc and sticking power has any right to be.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Tankarina output any noteworthy damage or provide slows/cc-soak?

You can't run from Fiora with the CDR she gets off this build, nor the on-hit ms from Passive and BC. So, can you tank it? Abso-fucking-lutly not. Nevermind the %hp true damage, there's also the arpen from BC. If that's the case, can you kill her before she kills you? Good luck tearing through those resistances and hp faster than she can do it to you.

This isnt a matter of clever reverse psychology winning teamfights, because Fiora is still decimating people in 1v1s and small skirmishes. It's a matter of shit being truly op, with the combination of berserk itemization and the unholy amount of overloaded things in her kit.

I mean, you're technically not wrong. Even an 0/5/0 Fiora (or anything) can be useful as a damage/anti-cc, but from the responses populating the thread and my person opinion/reasoning, it's not reverse psychology.

Wînter Fox3 votes

Dude you literally just described every fighter in the game. Nasus Irelia Jax Diana Aatrox Renekton Shen Udyr Tryndamere Volibear Trundle RivenDrMundo will all dash/jump/leap/stun/slow you do death, kill you eventually with autos, while still being tanky enough to take hits 1v1. That is what the Fighter class is supposed to do. Build anyone of these champions as a tank and replace the name "Fiora" in your post and it'll be the exact same scenario.

Over Innsmouth6 votes

It's not the 1v1 that's a problem, she is the "Grand Duelist" after all.

It's the fact that she can 1v1 from far behind. It's the fact that you can't itemize against her. It's the fact that as you build tankier, her damage barely diminishes. It's the fact that no one you mentioned in this list has nearly her level of sticking power bar Riven with full CDR and Udyr in a straight line.

Also I'm sorry...are you not building Shen, Nasus, Mundo, Volibear, Udyr and Trundle as tanks? Or offtanks? That's their job. And most of these people are totally kiteable.

Furthermore, I described her as a light-fighter. She's designed to have more in common with Yi, Trynda, Yasuo and perhaps Irelia than any of the rest of your list.

Beuhlakor5 votes

The solution is simple like you said :

Gut her base damages on EVERYTHING and buff her ratios.

This is the only way to "kill" bruiser Fiora which is a pain in the ass.

By building Fiora with item 3071 item 3748 and item 3053 I can have 3500+ HP, 150+ armor and 100+ MR while dealing 12% of maximum HP as true damages when I hit vitals.

Because of this I have no reason to build anymore damages that would make my life in teamfight a lot more complicated. I have far enough damages to kill anyone I want while being very hard to shut down.

Her base stats are already low, the main problem is that it is a non factor since you can build Fiora very tanky and still deal an absurd amount of true damages.

Silents4294 votes

Okay, what has changed? I don't see any posts about Fiora but here, it's like overnight everyone collectively decided it's time for Fiora threads.

Over Innsmouth12 votes

My take?

She's been obnoxious as fuck since the rework, but people were building her like prework Fiora so she wasnt also obnoxiously tanky. Now that Juggernaut Fiora has become popularized, people are taking serious issue with it.

Nar7ia2 votes

I just won a game against juggernaut fiora.She had item 3742 item 3143 item 3071 item 3748 item 3111.She honestly didn't even felt as a serious threat to us.After early game most of her kills were where she usually picked off target with luck or cleaned up after initial fights.Her damage was subpar at the best after mid game or so and she wasn't all that tanky either and usually died in few seconds.Enemy rengar actually felt more tanky than her.

I personally don't see any problems with fiora.She is a duelist and is meant to win in 1vs1.Fiora is a tank buster and scales well into lategame , the juggernaut build just makes her a good all rounder but she wont be best at all those things sort of like jack-of-all-trades ; master-of-none.I agree that she is strong but definitely not OP or toxic to play against.Illaoi is the one who actually feels rather toxic to play against as melee on top in my opinion.

Over Innsmouth4 votes

Really!? I guess that's a matter of experience. I can't stand Fiora, but I absolutely love playing as/against Illaoi. I consider her one of the more balanced recent champion releases.

But hey, that's what opinions are, formations built up by anecdotal experience. I'm not trying to argue you're wrong here or I'm right btw, just defending my opinion.

Retillin3 votes

What, you don't like Juggernaut Fiora? I mean her building Juggernaut fits her theme right....?

/s

Rohirrim2 votes

She is not juggernaut.She is melee carry(Yi,Yasuo)

Retillin2 votes

/s means sarcasm.

MadDoughnutz3 votes

Need to make it so if she builds X amount of bonus HP her true damage is cut in half. She wants her true damage? She can have it, as long as she builds like an actual melee carry.

The Deckowner3 votes

rito: %hp true dmg which heals u and gives u movement speed boost built into a passive that require minimal effort to proc and a q that is made to proc the passive even easier. u sucks at landing skillshot? np we made it that this ability automatically targets enemy champion and prioritize vitals! u are really really bad at landing skillshots? np we made it that as long as u hit something q cd is reduced by more than half with its cd already extremely short and it's mana cost is below average abilities so u can spam all u wwant! u are too squishy and suck at dodging skillshots? np we have a long ass op nuke that u can reflect cc and take 0 dmg! u just sicked of minigames? np we have aa reset that also gives u guarentee crit and slow an auto attacks! u still not feel like dis bullshit is op enough? fine here is the free heal that outheals janna sona and even soraka have fun with the broken ass dump champ.

UrPalAl2 votes

In my mind, fixing her shouldn't be too hard. She's having the exact same problem that Ekko was having, which was fixed. In Fiora's case, all that needs to be done is for the Vital's base damage to scale like shit, and then just buff the ratio up by a lot.

Carnicore2 votes

This is how we see people building her in competitive games. And this. This too.

Compared to the stuff we're seeing like heavy tank Rek'sai, Trundle, Elise, and Poppy, Fiora's builds stand out as very squishy.

TacoTheKitten1 votes

Make it so her w can't proc vitals. That's the first change. Now look, I'm very much a "just counterpick and then fuck them in lane" kind of player. Riven into a gangplank, get fed, carry. But I mean. Fiora. She doesn't have any counters I can really think of that she can't just play safe against. In theory, Olaf SHOULD counter her. He doesn't if the Fiora is competent. The best thing to counter Fiora with is hard slows, but even then the pure amount of true damage and healing she gets is ridiculous. You know why? Fiora is essentially manaless. Her q is ridiculously easy to spam in lane, and yes it is a spam ability, but I've had games where I essentially just use her Q almost as soon as it's up. My mana barely drops. I love Fiora, she's a cool champion and has an interesting design and idea behind her and her kit, but I just feel she's too much reward and not enough risk. Bump up the mana costs a little on her Q, nerf her base damage or its scaling or something like that, make it so her W can't proc vitals, maybe increase the mana cost on her w, or even do something to her w like zed's w where she gets extra AD based on its level or something (I think she even used to have that in her old kit), nerf her mana regen, or potentially nerf the true damage she deals with her ult. Whatever is done, her main issue is that she deals too much damage as a tanky character which is essentially because of her intention of being a "light fighter".

Weiner the Pooh2 votes

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Make it so her w can't proc vitals. That's the first change. Now look, I'm very much a "just counterpick and then fuck them in lane" kind of player. Riven into a gangplank, get fed, carry. But I mean. Fiora. She doesn't have any counters I can really think of that she can't just play safe against. In theory, Olaf SHOULD counter her. He doesn't if the Fiora is competent. The best thing to counter Fiora with is hard slows, but even then the pure amount of true damage and healing she gets is ridiculous. You know why? Fiora is essentially manaless. Her q is ridiculously easy to spam in lane, and yes it is a spam ability, but I've had games where I essentially just use her Q almost as soon as it's up. My mana barely drops. I love Fiora, she's a cool champion and has an interesting design and idea behind her and her kit, but I just feel she's too much reward and not enough risk. Bump up the mana costs a little on her Q, nerf her base damage or its scaling or something like that, make it so her W can't proc vitals, maybe increase the mana cost on her w, or even do something to her w like zed's w where she gets extra AD based on its level or something (I think she even used to have that in her old kit), nerf her mana regen, or potentially nerf the true damage she deals with her ult. Whatever is done, her main issue is that she deals too much damage as a tanky character which is essentially because of her intention of being a "light fighter".

if she does too much damage as a tank, nerf the base damages and increase the scalings, not all of those tho. dont be stupid.

TacoTheKitten2 votes

Oh no I would never suggest literally doing all of those changes, they were just ideas for maybe a few changes that could potentially be done. Sorry that I wasn't clear on that.

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