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Kha'zix is currently everything assassins have been reworked away from

kargish··56 votes·16,386 views

Remember this guyRengar? He used to be able to gain true invisibility, 1 shot someone with absolutely 0 warning and was completely unfair. He has now been reworked into a state where his stealth is a camouflage, grants enemies a warning in the form of a sound, screen blur and an icon above the estimated target.

Remember release Evelynn? True invisibility for 60 seconds that would stun you with her initiation and burst you down. Today Evelynn has camouflage and has to work for her CC by handing the enemy a warning.

Now we have Khazix in our games, being able to perma stealth through an entire jungle section, bypass ANY type of warding and literally 1 shot somebody from stealth, with absolutely no warning. Kha'zix takes it to the next level though; the difference between him and Rengar/Evelynn/Shaco, is that he can actually disengage afterwards. Once he has oneshot somebody, he can instantly reenter the very same stealth he attacked from 2 times, and if that's not good enough he has a resetable leap to guarantee his success. This is everything we reworked other champions for plus more, why do we pretend that this is okay to have on a champion?

100 Comments

AmWhaleIRL12 votes

Hey! As a Kha'Zix main with over 200k points I completely agree with you, Kha's evolved R is definitely a problem. I made my own post on what I think is wrong, as well as solutions to potentially fix it if you'd like to check it out.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/MrBkBWpj-from-a-khazix-main-with-over-200k-mastery-points

Playing Kha nowadays doesn't feel fun cause I feel like it takes so much less skill to do what I used to. It also feels way less risky. Instead of "high risk high reward", he feels now like "moderate risk, easy to obtain reward". I feel like there's no way to express my skill on him anymore aside from using his Evolved E to it's fullest potential.

iPooUnicorns2 votes

I miss the days of evolved E being king.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Thats got alot to do with riots need to make everything have a 53% win rate no matter how risky they say they are and no matter how big their player base is.

Feel Apathy10 votes

Giving an example from open beta to prove his point. Remember when Evelynn being picked resulted in your account being suspended for alleged trolling ?

[sg-miss-fortune]

Terozu1 votes

That was after open beta, but removed very soon.

The beta was before 1.0 they removed it after.

At leaat thats what i thought, 1.0 is usually after the beta, LoL mightve been different.

JRobin318 votes

It was always okay to have those capabilities on champions. Maybe RIOT listened to the community and reworked Rengar and Evelynn to make them 'happy'. And maybe now they will listen and rework Khazix . It's all part of RIOT's design principle of 'counterplay' which is constantly applied inconsistently to the game.

I am now prepared for downvotes, because I say it's okay to have invisible assassins and the community hates invisible assassins.

remakoro3 votes

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It was always okay to have those capabilities on champions. Maybe RIOT listened to the community and reworked Rengar and Evelynn to make them 'happy'. And maybe now they will listen and rework Khazix . It's all part of RIOT's design principle of 'counterplay' which is constantly applied inconsistently to the game.

I am now prepared for downvotes, because I say it's okay to have invisible assassins and the community hates invisible assassins.

Yea but the things is. Rengar must burst your ass and die afterwards if you wasnt alone. Kha will do the same and jump/stealth away. Dont you think that he has to be a little worse at his job? He is soooo slippery. I understand that they modeled him after cockroach but thats just taking it a bit too far. And cockroaches kinda dont have a habit of ripping your head off before slipping away. Invisibility is fine but... You have to pay for it in some way. Kha only benefits from it while being able to take you head on.

JRobin311 votes

"Kha will do the same and jump/stealth away. Dont you think that he has to be a little worse at his job?"

Yes. But RIOT has designed around the idea that one of the hallmarks of assassins is the ability to run away. I've been saying for years that that's not a core principle of assassins. The 'get-in and get-out' philosophy is not good design for assassins. It should be 'get-in or get-out', because if your target is mis-positioned, then 'get-out' is a given, and if your target is respecting you, giving up farm, playing safe, and generally suffering under the fact that you could be anywhere on the map, then you gained your advantage already - if you still want your target dead that badly, then you should have to sacrifice to do it.

to be clear here, I think that burst casters that don't use surprise (such as invisibility) to waylay their targets and avoid damage can be designed with 'get in **and **get out' with appropriate mitigating factors, because in theory, they shouldn't be able to surprise a target that plays appropriately. But RIOT opted for a philosophy of 'outplay the assassin' that, frankly, I have no idea how is supposed to work... I mean it's an assassin, am I right? what do you mean 'outplay the assassin'? Why should non-assassins be outplaying assassins one vs one?

Ultîma5 votes

My main gripe with Kha is that he's better at being Eve than Eve at the moment. She should be the stealthy champion...

MohawkBird4 votes

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Automated Riven8 votes

While I agree with you view on assassin's. I am not sure it's the best design to have uncounterable stealth literally up all the time which leads into 1shots.

Reaper Claws1 votes

This is true, but it's amusing to kill the enemy adc in front of their team and get way with it. They should make Kha'zix more about isolation than the brain dead r evo. Then when you get killed by Kha'zix in isolation it would be completely fair.

Jaygo412 votes

Don't think Rengar is who we're to hold up as the "See? Why aren't they like X" when they're guilty of a lot worse

Shablagoo2 votes

Why do ppl ignore the fact that their are champions that exist to cockblock assasins. Almost every single support in the game is able to stop them, that being said I do think Kha is a little strong.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Maybe if we could play a 10 vs 5 mode, where there could be a support in every lane, maybe it would then be fine.

Shablagoo1 votes

You mean just mid right? Cuz mages are the only other ones that have trouble with assassins, and certain mage counter assassins too.

Cenutrio 5 rabos1 votes

Jungle is mostly about setting the enemy jungler out of the game, by providing vision on his map, invading and counterganking him. Kha is just to good at that. He's God tier btw.

Shablagoo1 votes

You can't counter jungle Kha? I am not saying he isnt strong his invis is pretty strong but, as someone who palys rengar I literally have no problem with him.

Arakadia2 votes

It's objectively false for him to bypass any warding. He only gets the stealth if he goes in the bush which assumes he wasn't spotted before he went in the bush and they didn't put a war outside of a bush.

kargish5 votes

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It's objectively false for him to bypass any warding. He only gets the stealth if he goes in the bush which assumes he wasn't spotted before he went in the bush and they didn't put a war outside of a bush.

But the thing is he enters a brush randomly on the map, then chains it into the next one and then the next one until he has moved through an entire jungle section in true invisibility. He can carry it into a lane gank as well, he doesn't sacrifice anything for it and it's impossible to ward against.

vgamedude2 votes

Good. Assassins should actually be good at ASSASSINATING.

Nerfing champs like Kha will make an already overbearing bot lane even more so, but go ahead upvote this....

Reaper Claws2 votes

Coming from a Kha'zix main, he kind of is overturned. Even the biggest Kha'zix fanatics don't like how you are forced to evo r to be useful on him, were is the versatility in evolution he used to have?

iDarkWind1 votes

He didn't had though, it was for the most part Q first

Cenutrio 5 rabos1 votes

Go play jungle against a Kha'Zix and you tell me how does it feel. Unable to walk into tribush without a control, unable to do your second buff without your trinket, unable to duel or invade him at all, and you'd better not die to him because he'll snowball your game to oblivion. Kha'Zix isn't just an assassin right now, he's got Kassadin's mobility, Rengar's burst and Evelynn's stealth, all of that in an early-mid scale.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

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Cowgirl Ed24 votes

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Herlgar33 votes

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Im not gonna lie but you just lost all credibility when you said " Remember release Evelynn ? True invisibility for 60 seconds that would stun you with her initiation and burst you down" since she has no stun and her charm is difficult to proc (unless the target is already cced)

A very long time ago, before her two reworks, Eve would stun people upon hitting an enemy from stealth.

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

Well i do know about her previous reworks and i did reread it before posting it but i didnt see, though now that i searched a bit more i did find a bugfix mentioning a stun so yeah no need to crucify me guys. And why the fk are there multiple posts about the same thing?! Its oke guys i got it.

Akali Best Waifu48 votes

Youre getting crucified because you jumped into a convo and told someone they have no credibility and that they are wrong without even doing your research. It should be expected.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

I did a research. Not a full scale tho. I didnt search every evelynn related page. You would think that all these years i would had heard about her stun but nope

TehNACHO28 votes

I did a research. Not a full scale tho

Lmao

Gildarzt1 votes

you need to do a deeper one XD

Nyarlathοtep

Indeed but again, which sane person would do it? Especially if you didnt even expect it. I didnt knew riot did 2 past reworks on eve. I knew about the 2nd. But no the first.

Terozu2 votes

Because she's famous for it and if you arent gonna fully search you really shouldn't call people on credibility. It makes you lose credibility.

Nyarlathοtep

Famous for what? For having multiple reworks? Im pretty sure thats ryze's niche. Because AGAIN, i never in all my years in lol, heard her having a stun. God fking damnt people, i just didnt know a single thing.

Terozu1 votes

No she is specifically famous for having had permastealth into a stun.

And she's actually been reworked more than Ryze but i may be mistaken.

Speaking of which that's where you went wrong. You did minimal research but then acted as though you knew everything about the champ.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Equal along with taric (actually taric's q turning from 1 q to 5 stacks of q now makes him the most reworked champion in the game i think) Ryze with 3 and Taric with 4

Terozu1 votes

Didnt kayle get like 5 mini reworks on release?

LordGeovanni1 votes

Idk as far as i know kayle has been working the same way since season 2 before mid season 2 i wouldnt know. Taric has had the effects of his spells changed and diffrent spells. Kayle has only had one spell effect change that i know and its her passive and its only that it no longer shreds armor just magic resist shred

PhDs Nuts21 votes

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Im not gonna lie but you just lost all credibility when you said " Remember release Evelynn ? True invisibility for 60 seconds that would stun you with her initiation and burst you down" since she has no stun and her charm is difficult to proc (unless the target is already cced)

...Evelynn is a lot older than her rework.

Marothennan13 votes

Key word is RELEASE

Ginger9768 votes

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Im not gonna lie but you just lost all credibility when you said " Remember release Evelynn ? True invisibility for 60 seconds that would stun you with her initiation and burst you down" since she has no stun and her charm is difficult to proc (unless the target is already cced)

You are obviously new here. Original Evelyn had PERMA invis (until you attacked; these were the days of stacking 6 sunfires) and stunned an enemy with her first attack from invis.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

If by new you mean around fiora's original release then yeah you are right. But i never heard of her having a stun

Ginger9766 votes

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If by new you mean around fiora's original release then yeah you are right. But i never heard of her having a stun

Trust me, she had a stun on release. I mained her in season 1. People would also stack 6 sunfire capes and just stand next to enemies and walk next to them and slowly kill them.

Eye Of Terror12 votes

Kid don't fucking talk if you have no idea that Eve USED TO HAVE A STUN. Delete your dumb post.

ShaolinToilet2 votes

I'm so mad he made that post bro it just triggered my butthole so hard

PraetorPrime1 votes

You poor summer child

Nyarlathοtep

Hows is that even remotely relevant?

Terozu2 votes

Summer child means noob basically.

Tik1151 votes

To be honest Kha is currently overturned, His Evolved R gives him too much jungle safety and removes the reward for Deep warding his jungle, Unlike most other assassins he lacks that telegraphed "Delayed burst" Riot was trying to push, The change to his Q with putting his % health damage from the start as oppossed to his evolution has given him a huge early level power spike and more dueling power making him difficult to take down early on.

At this point Riot needs to lock down their choice on what they actually want to do with assassins because it seems they are more flip flopping between both and causing a mess, A delayed burst assassin will never beat a "Normal" assassin because of said delay which makes delayed burst assassins become useless

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