I was watching a former C9 player (Rush) streaming on twitch the other day and he wouldn't stop complaining how bad Kindred is, if she doesent get her first passive stack she's pretty much starved, I honestly don't care what you think and don't be posting about that either, just leave ur little downvote to make you feel better and complaint that Kindred is OP.
warpenguin5556 votesDont listen to Rush. He's horrible at Kindred.
Darkslayer856 votesI'm a mastery 7 Kindred, and I really don't think they need any real buffs.
Maybe, MAYBE +5 mvmt spd, but I think that'd make them too oppressive.
Riot just needs to give their allies some incentive to help them with marks, like shown in the champion spotlight and LCS.
Tormentula4 votesYou weren't here during kin's release then.
From release to mid season, kindred was the most cancerious and toxic champion to ever leave open past ban phase, worse than zed. Like they were always #1 ban from gold elo above.
She's god awful right now cause riot finally gutted them. Now we're waiting for buffs so they're not kalista azir status but they're being extremely careful not to make them toxic again.
I've seen enough times in recent 6.15-now patches where the score was 24-4, kindred were 0/12, they pressed R and suddenly they won they game off that to know what kindred buffs will cause.
The only buff I could agree on that wouldn't tip kindred over the edge their already toxic kit is on, would be making the marking time much faster so then they gank a lane they can actually mark and gank rather than mark and scare them off or mark and the laner be dead before it triggers.
Astôlfo1 votesExcept they got nerfed due to how strong they were. And they're practically garbage now.
CasterGilgamesh2 voteswut i never found them to be cancerous they are and where so easy to beat since they revolve around people (mostly the jungler) being stupid AF the only thing i found annoying was the slow
Tormentula3 voteswut i never found them to be cancerous they are and where so easy to beat since they revolve around people (mostly the jungler) being stupid AF the only thing i found annoying was the slow
Easy to beat? Kindred has been #1-3 ban since season five until the nerf to their W and base stats which was the final nail in the coffin to take them out of the meta.
Kindred was easy to beat in silver, bronze, and low gold cause all kindreds did was walk into the enemy jungle and get caught out, but up in plat+ elo where the players had a better decision making mindset, better vision, and actually better mechanics (no, Q isn't orb walking) they were way too freelo and strong. They made teamfights completely turned around to win games that otherwise should've been stomps, and if the invading+counter jungling wasn't irritating enough, the level 2 ganks were instant early game wins and free marks.
Right now the highest banned champion is 
at 63% (idk wtf happened with zac..), kindred remained at 48%+ ban rate up from release to patch 6.13 where they became almost unplayable at that point.
Even in LCS I think regionals kindred was either picked or banned in every match.
Honestly all they had to do to "fix" kindred was nerf/remove the E slow and either reduce the duration of the ultimate/remove healing/decrease range and that'd be fine probably. Idk if the Q spam and jungle healing removal was really necessary.
Big Lincoln3 votesI've noticed that I've had a lot more fun jungling with one less cancer champion I have to worry about
genuine thanks to riot for keeping her down
CasterGilgamesh2 votesi never understood why they got gutted they were pretty fair IMO
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesClown 9 Rush? That rush who made fun of sirchez and trick2g in challenger about building zz'rot? Who laughed his ass off? When in fact trick2g made it so popular that even LCS was building it? Three rots at once? Until riot nerfed it? Yeah i guess i'm better off not listening to him.
WarlockLaw1 votesImo they need to make it so that Kindred's first stack is on scuttle, or at the very least the first spawn is always on scuttle. It sucks when you are up against somebody with a fast first clear and it appears on one of their camps to start the game. You don't get it unless the enemy is too incompetent to contest it, and her damage without stacks is definitely awful.
Great Muta1 votesAgreed. Her whole game relies on your opponent being retarded. They'll camp your camps. You'll waste time getting to them and risk death as well. Your mana sucks early and no matter how good you do, you will be 1v1'd by everyone. And in my experience, you end up losing HP in your ult when you try to trade with people. And if you die early, your game is toast. The only good thing is that she can do clears without losing much HP. She's also really slow and you HAVE to buy run's hurricane with her.
Graves is more mobile, hits harder, has no mini game and is much tankier. Yi has the range of Kindred with his Q and will deal much more damage while taking less.
Astôlfo1 votes+5 base MS, +X some base armor, and returning heal on champions only would be just what they need without being too much.
B0OM1 votesI just wish they would revert the nerf to Q that increased the cooldown inside Wolf's zone at early levels. The nerf was intended to maim Kindred's ability to duel at early levels, but it also killed their early clear and ruined the Q rhythm. It feels awkward to use now until maxed, and by then you're on your way to Runaan's and don't need the AOE to clear. I wish they would revert the CD nerf, decrease Q's base stats and increase the damage to monsters. Maybe decrease their base AD too, if necessary.
Dracocrash1 votes"her" excuse me?
five oh tree 1 votesClearly, if one person thinks something, it's true. Thank you for sharing your deep insight and life-changing knowledge.
