i play late game champs, but i shouldn't have to play "dodge the 30 % chunk of my hp every 3 seconds" for the first 10 minutes of the game. What's worst is it doesn't fall off at all- broken early game and late game. pretty much everytime i fight a fiora i have to get 
just to be able to damage her (notice how i didn't say kill her)
Death by Glamour18 votesKnowing riot likely after worlds
Neo Cyrus6 votesWhich will be 8 patches behind live as usual anyway.
AirKingNeo7 votesI ask myself this every day. I'm fine with her having a good-decent early game as long as her late game isn't so absurd. We all know that champions who are horrid early and insane late are terrible design and not fun (Vayne).
Here's an idea: Passive - AD ratio lowered to 3% per 100 AD from 4.5% per 100 AD. Heal gains 10% bonus AD ratio. W - No longer slows attack speed.
Basically she loses some late game burst, early game auto winning, for some decent healing which you can buy Executioner's into. Basically less bullshit, but not nerfed into the ground or anything.
SweedishGunner1 votesEarly game auto winning sounds horrendous. No one wants another Pantheon.
HalcyonDweller4 votesI'm pretty sure they meant to say, "loses some late game burst and early game auto -winning, in return they get decent healing"
Hinagiku331 votesFiora is a Skirmisher, a class designed to be late-game carries. Fiora's core fantasy of "1v1 me scrub" also suggests a powerful late-game. Riot isn't going to have Fiora fall off like Pantheon because that's not her identity at all.
Instead, it would be much better to tone down her early game.
Passive - Lowering Fiora's AD ratio here is a bad idea. Tanky Fiora is far worse than what we have now, and this is one of her main AD ratios that lets her scale. How about removing the base 2% and making it just the bonus AD ratio? Then it does piddly extra damage early game but still scales well?
W - Possibly hit the Attack Speed slow, but I think she actually needs it for a lot of match-ups like Jax and Xin Zhao. Maybe increase the mana cost so she has to save it for clutch moments?
E - I think increasing the mana cost on this even more could be a good idea. Fiora's trades aren't that good if she doesn't follow up with her E, so making it cost more can limit how much she can trade (with Q > Vital > E) vs. just poking (Q > Vital) and lower her overall damage in lane.
AirKingNeo1 votesLowering her AD ratio doesn't encourage tank Fiora. It's not buffing it so they'd lack reason to use the shitty playstyle.
Fiora already beats Jax and Xin Zhao.
Iźuku Midoriya1 votesI think something would be she only gets the cd reduction on Q if she hits a champion INSTEAD of hitting anything. As a jungle main it would feel alot better when ganking her knowing she wont have Q up in 6 seconds again
BALDG1VEN BOOMER6 votesMeddler already made a post she's on the radar for nerfs so soon I would expect.
AirKingNeo6 votesNo, he said that she was strong and that they'd nerf Cleaver and buff her counters.
AL0008 votesOfficially they are too stupid if they ignore other than Fiora.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesOfficially if the next patch doesn't have nerfs to twitch, draven and fiora i'm done with this game for real. That would just show riot doesn'T care about balance at all. Despite their banrates especially twitch and draven have a 55-60% winrate from dia to master. Any other champ with these winrates would have been hotfixed
Leetri1 votesWell better find that uninstall button then cause none of them got any changes. Galio nerfs, Gnar buffs, I think AD Kennen nerfs and AP buffs?, situational Kha'Zix buff, Kindred buff, Maokai buff, Poppy buff, Rek'sai buff, AD Shaco buff, Trundle buff and Xayah QoL change. Draven "only" has a 53,5% win rate in Diamond and above, Twitch is at 52,8%. I doubt that is enough to warrant a hotfix in Riot's eyes. In Diamond and above Nunu has a 55,3% win rate and is only picked 1% less than Draven, so if anything they would hotfix Nunu because he's statistically stronger than Draven despite being about as popular.
Death by Glamour2 votesWhy can't they just nerf her rather than adding more problems to the toplane. This is the driven buff to counter vayne dominance all over again.
Stalinium3 votesholy fuck why why why 
BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votesI probably didn't see that post then.
On a side note they acknowledged she's strong but nerfing an item first lol
NiceTryVi2 votesSoon? Like how they said the Tribunal would be back up soon-for years?
Magical Zoe3 votesWhen did they say that? They took it down because of the trolls, it's not like the community has changed.
NiceTryVi1 votesIt said it on the Tribunal page itself for a while, and once people started asking how soon "soon" was, due to it being down for literally a year at that point, they changed it to "in the future" so they could tell people to leave them alone about it. They took it down because they were losing money, because people were actually being banned, as opposed to the system that we have now that preserves Rito's wallet.
Gloom Shroom5 votesI think her Q could use a nerf, I dislike how she is able to spam it because if you hit it your cooldown gets reduced to almost nothing, even if you hit it, you shouldn't be rewarded that heavily. But really, she's a Pick/Ban right now and has a very high ban rate, even higher than Yasuo.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.banRate&order=descend
AirKingNeo1 votesBut is her Q a problem? Sure you can nerf it, but is it the problem? I don't think so.
Gloom Shroom6 votesShe's very overtuned so she has many problems. I just hate how she spams it over and over and you can't get away. She needs many things nerfed before she is on par with other champs, her passive, Q and R, and base stats could be targeted for a nerf.
AirKingNeo1 votesYou can't take away all her strengths.
Gloom Shroom3 votesI meant like all of those are open for nerfs, not all of them should be nerfed. Only 1-2 of those that I listed should be nerfed. Sorry for not being clear.
archerno14 votesI beloeve they said they arent planning any nerfs.
HalcyonDweller5 votesThis is correct. They said they believed she was in a good spot, and it is her counters that currently struggle more than they should. Thus they plan to buff her counters rather than nerf her.
EDIT: I don't understand why people downvoted you, all you did was say "Riot said X"
archerno12 votesThis is correct. They said they believed she was in a good spot, and it is her counters that currently struggle more than they should. Thus they plan to buff her counters rather than nerf her.
EDIT: I don't understand why people downvoted you, all you did was say "Riot said X"
People downvote what they dont wanna hear. Even if its true.
JSTIN81 votesCounters? What counters? All of her "Bad matchups" are a skill check at worst. Even when Darius was at his height and supposedly could bully her out of lane it was noted that she could very much win the lane at any point if she played her cards right.
Corrupto1231 votesCounters? What counters? All of her "Bad matchups" are a skill check at worst. Even when Darius was at his height and supposedly could bully her out of lane it was noted that she could very much win the lane at any point if she played her cards right.
Yeah...... No. I doubt any champion could trade with Darius during early top laning.
HalcyonDweller1 votesHence why they need buffs. Champions that are supposed to do well against her are not performing as they should.
JSTIN81 votesI suppose my point was that her kit as it stands allows her to simply outplay and punish her counters regardless if her player is skilled as her. Short of promoting and buffing unhealthy champs like pantheon or Trynd.
HalcyonDweller1 votesRiot has said they are considering that. I doubt they would straight up buff those champions while they are unhealthy, but they might give them minor reworks or shift their power around to help them out.
Makior724 votesmy prediction, after they handle the yasuo situation, Fiora will be banned the same way yasuo is now and riot will be forced to take action.
Denims Wrath6663 votesthey just need to nerf the % hp a bit, and raise the mana costs of q. like its bad enough shes basically unkillable if she has 2 lifesteal items and spirit visage... but the fact she can basically insta kill a vayne or ashe is a little unfair still.
KyojiTakajo3 votesI'm a mastery 7 on Fiora and honestly what I'd nerf about her is likely her Q mana cost (Though perhaps some mana could be given back if her Q strikes a vital it could give mana back similar to Irelia Q if it kills the target), and her goddamn W attack speed slow. It's tacked on for no reason.
Asayake 5150glow3 votesI'm a mastery 7 on Fiora and honestly what I'd nerf about her is likely her Q mana cost (Though perhaps some mana could be given back if her Q strikes a vital it could give mana back similar to Irelia Q if it kills the target), and her goddamn W attack speed slow. It's tacked on for no reason.
Have you never fought a standard attackspeed/AD diver/juggernaut without being tremendously fed? A Shyvana will destroy you without the attack speed slow. Via statcheck.
zaire901 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xr0NBfR6,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2017-06-27T01:34:59.082+0000)
Have you never fought a standard attackspeed/AD diver/juggernaut without being tremendously fed? A Shyvana will destroy you without the attack speed slow. Via statcheck.
Probably claiming to main a champ and then saying some nerfs that you just really want.
HalcyonDweller2 votesAttacking the person with baseless claims rather than addressing their argument?
Here, let me try:
I bet you're probably just a Fiora main that doesn't want their freelo to get nerfed.
EDIT: Also you replied to the wrong comment.
Veltox2 votesHave you ever faced a Fiora as any tank from this game? God forbid having a champion weaker vs a certain class.
Nuparu1 votesFiora's a skirmisher who's also designed to be good against tanks, much like Riven is a skirmisher who specializes in burst damage, Yasuo's a skirmisher who's designed to be good against skillshot-centric mages and Master Yi is a skirmisher designed around an extremely powerful late game.
All the skirmishers (except like Tryndamere, who's only trait is that he beats other skirmishers except maybe Riven late game) beat a certain class or have a certain trait alongside their dueling power. Fiora's is anti-tank.
Asayake 5150glow4 votes[{quoted}](name=Denims Wrath666,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xr0NBfR6,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-06-26T23:05:31.891+0000)
i play late game champs, but i shouldn't have to play "dodge the 30 % chunk of my hp every 3 seconds" for the first 10 minutes of the game. What's worst is it doesn't fall off at all- broken early game and late game. pretty much everytime i fight a fiora i have to get
damage her(notice how i didn't say kill her)
If she's ever in a position to take out 30% of your health, you're either in a position to deal far more back to her, or you're mispositioned and anyone else would be in a position to do even more to you.
Also how the fuck is she gonna do that every 3 seconds? Her Q is on an 8 second CD rank 1 with no CDR, not much better for E...
Also: lategame champions: You will heavily outtrade Fiora with Gangplank if you hit your barrels and don't get committed to an all in. Your passive is hella strong and shooting her as she dissengages will win you short trades.
AirKingNeo2 votesIf she's ever in a position to take out 30% of your health, you're either in a position to deal far more back to her, or you're mispositioned and anyone else would be in a position to do even more to you.
So if she hits even 1 vital Q I'm out of position?
Her Q gets 60% CDR if you hit anything with it.
Gangplank gets his combo riposted and then Fiora wails on him and uses her high base AS to make sure he can't use barrels.
Asayake 5150glow3 votesSo if she hits even 1 vital Q I'm out of position?
First of all: A single Vital Q does about 100 damage.
Second, if she gets it for free? If she's not behind you or above/below you, then HELL YES.
Her Q gets 60% CDR if you hit anything with it.
8 second cooldown after the 60% CDR. Well, it's like 7 seconds. The base cooldown is 16 seconds.
Gangplank gets his combo riposted and then Fiora wails on him and uses her high base AS to make sure he can't use barrels.
You can't Riposte Gangplank's combo? It's so fucking spaced out. Barrel... one second later, auto (then passive which is DoT)... one second later, shoot. The most you can Riposte is an E, which is like 130 damage - they'd still take the auto and shot which is like 300 alone.
Also Fiora's fucking attack speed is screwing your barrels, you need to learn how to barrel better. Barrels are always possible. Sometimes they're hella hard, like against a Caitlyn, but even that's possible with a phantom barrel before level 13 (after lvl 13 you might as well double barrel - the second barrel in your phantom barrel combo will have ticked down by the time you need it to explode normally).
Barrels have an 80% slow - that means there is no way a Fiora with her Q on a 7 second cooldown is gonna catch him. Her E has a slow, yes - who gives a damn? Gangplank's gonna spend that time hitting her with the passive empowered auto. And then maybe a second one for Tlords proc.
AirKingNeo1 votesHer Vital+Q is massive later into the game.
Fiora has high base AS + an AS boost on her E + her E is an auto reset. Also you parry GP's barrel + Q combo. Then you auto win.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesHer Vital+Q is massive later into the game.
We were talking about lane? Also late game then it's still a HELL YES to your being out of position - your barrels can easily hit her from 800 units away, applying both an 80 slow and giving yourself movespeed. Don't go up to her to Q until after she blows her E, and don't go up to auto, period, unless you know it'll kill her.
Fiora has high base AS + an AS boost on her E + her E is an auto reset. Also you parry GP's barrel + Q combo. Then you auto win.
Why the fuck is GP 'comboing' his Q and barrel when he has literally no reason to? Oh, and if barrel is Riposted, use this .75 seconds to get away. Her Q is either down, and you still get Barrel movespeed, or her Q is up but she's also still 500 units away. Oh, and dodge the slow. It's not that hard.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesFiora QW your barrel, ult, hit vital and you are dead and cant fight back. GP can't win against fiora, end of story. At no point in the game except when he has 5-6 items and full crit. Even then it is very hard to do something about her, since her Q then is NOT on a 7cd but mroe like 1,5 when hitting ANYTHING.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesFiora QW your barrel, ult, hit vital and you are dead and cant fight back.
Erh, I never realized Fiora's ult into hitting one vital stunned you until your died, also uncleansable by GP's W.
GP can't win against fiora, end of story.
Really? Is that your whole argument? 'I am right, end of story's?
At no point in the game except when he has 5-6 items and full crit.
GP's standard build has a total of 1 crit item buddy. And it's kinda sad how he'd still win the duel if he kites well, considering he's also a GODLY teamfighter, while Fiora is trash at that.
Even then it is very hard to do something about her, since her Q then is NOT on a 7cd but mroe like 1,5 when hitting ANYTHING.
2 seconds with full CDR. And it's still child's play to kite her, your barrels have something like 800 range if used correctly, with an 80 percent slow and fast reload time (6 seconds for a barrel). While her dash is like 350 units long. Oh, she gets Phage movespeed? Damn, that sucks... Wait... Phage is like 20 movespeed. GP gets, what 40 percent for exploding a barrel, even if he misses and doesn't get that 80 percent slow?
Nuparu1 votesUsing Gangplank as a gage is like using Vayne to describe why Draven or Caitlyn are broken.
He doesn't win anything early because his base stats are absolute garbage. It's not Fiora that causes the issue for him, it's his own lack of base stats.
Corrupto1231 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xr0NBfR6,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-27T01:36:04.770+0000)
If she's ever in a position to take out 30% of your health, you're either in a position to deal far more back to her, or you're mispositioned and anyone else would be in a position to do even more to you.
Also how the fuck is she gonna do that every 3 seconds? Her Q is on an 8 second CD rank 1 with no CDR, not much better for E...
Also: lategame champions: You will heavily outtrade Fiora with Gangplank if you hit your barrels and don't get committed to an all in. Your passive is hella strong and shooting her as she dissengages will win you short trades.
Yeah this. Just buy a sheen and I swear to God you will shit on her as long as you keep wards so you don't get ganged.