http://www.op.gg/champion/vayne/statistics/adc
"But she's hard to play!" "Oh her early game is so bad!"
+ 
+ 
= 495% AD crit on Tumble
No champion like Vayne should have that high of a universal winrate.
Woodakoodashooda14 votesWhen I am unable to burst a lone and caught out ADC down with my entire combo simply because they hit mid or late game status, I call bullshit.
I ban Vayne EVERY game unless my ally ADC has first pick and wants her.
Tobias Brackner3 votesYou can totally burst her down. You probably fucked up somehow.
Woodakoodashooda6 votesWu main.
I E, auto, Q, ult her. After a knock up, I cancel my ult, use W, wait for my E to go off CD so I can avoid getting stunned into a wall, and then E back onto her.
That's how it's supposed to go down.
Here's how it really happens.
I E onto her, she shoves me away. My gap closer is burned and we're alone. So she ults, tumbles off to the side to keep me in auto range and for her to go invisible. She shoots me 2 more times and I'm dead. If anyone shows up, she either tumbles out of combat or engages on her next victim.
PermabannedGaren5 votes[{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnEVNPG8,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2016-11-21T04:29:29.063+0000)
Wu main.
I E, auto, Q, ult her. After a knock up, I cancel my ult, use W, wait for my E to go off CD so I can avoid getting stunned into a wall, and then E back onto her.
That's how it's supposed to go down.
Here's how it really happens.
I E onto her, she shoves me away. My gap closer is burned and we're alone. So she ults, tumbles off to the side to keep me in auto range and for her to go invisible. She shoots me 2 more times and I'm dead. If anyone shows up, she either tumbles out of combat or engages on her next victim.
Stop trying to duel Vayne as Wukong.
Vayne is strong late game because she isn't easy to isolate and kill one on one. Adapt your strategies.
Tobias Brackner5 votes...so don't dash into her?
Use your stealth to sneak up or come in from a bush.
Or dash do your combo and when she ult tumbles then stealth until it wears off.
Seriously dude, you call yourself a Wu main and you can't even think of "what if I don't E first?" You can't even think about "What if I use my decoy move exactly how it's supposed to be used mid-fight"?
Echo5458 votesI better start playing her again to bring that win rate back down
AttackOnTeemos7 votesBecause people don't understand what a frozen heart or Omen does in this game.
THE RlVER KlNG53 votesYeah because attack speed slows are helpful when she only needs 2 autos to kill you....
CC Mustang12 votesas a tank she needs more than 2 autos, calm thy self. Other adcs 2 or 3 hit each other as well.
Death by Glamour18 votesWith that build she isn't going after tanks...
Tobias Brackner2 votesOh, so because a person is looking for a specific kind of target they will magically reach that target?
Sir Fuzzi2 votesThis sounds a lot like "pick someone who doesn't get mulched by Vayne."
But you know what? I'd really rather watch them turn Vayne into an unplayable piece of shit. Then, I'll watch them roll out an update with 6 or 7 other champs that turns her into a gimmicky feast-or-famine while we watch insta-mobo champs conquer the meta.
If people don't ever, ever want to break meta for anything, then this is what they get. If a youtuber won't build it, then it's clearly not valid. Right?
I don't want to set the woooooorld onnnnn fiiiiiiire....~
Tobias Brackner8 votesThis sounds a lot like "pick someone who doesn't get mulched by Vayne."
I am baffled you could possibly reach this conclusion.
Like, the two things aren't related by a long shot. Try again dude.
nice table12 voteswith a dash and invisibility that has no counterplay its fairly easy to reach a target yes.
Elikain2 votesinvisibility that has no counterplay
Are you serious right now? Her invisibility isn't the problem, Her Tumble buffs were decent but paired with these items, overboard. Unintended side effect, despite Vayne never building either of these because BorK, PD is literally years old for her. No one leveled Tumble first either.
nice table1 votesi mean sure you can say that her being able to 1 shoot things is the problem but if she didn't have her invisibility it wouldn't be one, also if pink wards were still a thing she would be less of a issue.
Elikain2 votesYea and Pink wards were a problem for a few of the champions who weren't intended to be countered by mere 75 gold. Which means their kits were designed to work with Stealth and the moment you took that ability away and made it unreliable, that's the moment Riot had to buff other parts of their kit for them to feel good.
Vayne's Tumble was buffed in 6.17, that was 11 weeks from the patch 6.22 that introduced stealth changes. And Riot doesn't want to hand out preemptive nerfs or buffs to champions, based on their feelings of a champion that might be good or bad in a given patch. What they're looking for is data and if the data says something, then they make decisions to nerf or buff accordingly.
ShaolinToilet3 votesWhy use champion gg stats? That only shows plat and above.
dominusx4 votesif i understand your comment you are saying why use stats from plat and above? I'lll answer with the fact that people below plat are terrible at the game thus they are below plat. at least for our current standards. So i dont think it matters what happens down there as far as champ balance goes thus why stats below plat should not be used to determine a champions balance since people simply dont know how to use them.
D2PoliceGotMe3 votesppl below dia1 are terrible but w/e.
Ultîma4 votesSome characters have had a winrate like that for months (Jayce, Janna, Jhin) and haven't had a tenth of the complaint that Vayne has received. Any time Vayne so much as dares to become mildly viable the lashback she receives is completely insane. Is she strong? Absolutely, but you need to stop exaggerating to what extent. She is nowhere near as bad as Cait or Jhin have been throughout last season.
agbudar19 votesnone of the champs you named have a 25% pick rate
Leonerdo6 votesJhin did for a while. (Actually, he still does.) And then he was nerfed. It all checks out imo. Btw, I think Vayne nerfs have already been hinted at by Meddler for 6.24.
But yeah, I agree with Ultima. The fact that there is as much bitching about Vayne as there is debating about Support Signed is pretty ridiculous. Only one of those actually has to do with the community.
Ultîma2 votesJayce currently holds a respectable 8.69% play rate while Janna has had a pretty consistently high pick rate hovering between 15 and 25% over the season. Currently sitting at 15.71%. Also Jhin and Cait each respectively hold a 25.75 and 27.81% play rate. And yet the board is utterly dominated by threads regarding Vayne.
For the sake of argument; virtually any of the top-tier ADCs will have absurdly high pick rates, because by virtue of their strengths they tend to crowd out other options.
See; any of the holy trinities (or duos) or ADCs throughout any season.
Corki, Cait, Ezrael Lucian, MF Ashe, Jhin
No one bitched about Blitzcrank having literally no disfavourable matchup for more than a year because the general perception was that "it's easy to dodge a hook" wereas in reality he had a 50+% winrate against every single combination of bot lanes across every elo except diamond AND that he held something like a 10% pick rate.
I swear that if Yasuo so much had as a 50.1% winrate, the boards would be in an absolute uproar. Just because these characters have popular archetypes does not automatically mean that they are auto-win machines.
Jeddy0174 votes*clicks on link to to champions' win rates*
*Sees Rammus Top has the highest win rate*
Again? How-Oh Courage of the Colossus.Okay.......wait, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, what's her name! Um...Bruce Wayne. She needs a nerf or something according to the usual Gameplay QQ. Now if you excuse me, I need to go abuse CotC Rammus Top before it gets nerfed.
Linna Excel3 votesThe good thing about her crit build is it doesn't depend on true damage so building armor and health on rammy isn't an issue.
Dextix LT7 votesPick rates matter too....
Draven Always3 votesDid you look at that website? Twitch has a higher win percentage than vayne and do you see anybody complaining about how OP Twitch is? Even Ivern has a higher win % than vayne. There is something called cc
THE RlVER KlNG9 votesTwitch hasn't historically been a high-skill ceiling ADC balanced around a subpar winrate.
PermabannedGaren2 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnEVNPG8,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2016-11-21T02:23:29.463+0000)
Twitch hasn't historically been a high-skill ceiling ADC balanced around a subpar winrate.
Vayne is also played almost exclusively by mains. Twitch players are on average half as experienced as Vayne mains.
"Muh playrate", shut the fuck up, lol.
Big Lincoln19 votesa quarter of all ADCs are vayne mains???
ThatHaleState1 votestbh i think every adc wants to be a vayne main. But not all of them are mechanically gifted enough to handle the champ when she is sub par, so they dont play her.
Chembaron Yamada4 votesWrong. Love to play ADC's like Jinx, Jhin, Quinn, Caitlyn and many more. Absolutely can't stand Vayne, not bcause I am not able to play her, but I don't like the character.
Chembaron Yamada26 votesYes, I actually did. Guess what, these champions don't even come close to a pick rate of 28,53% like Vayne. If a champion who is considered having a high skill floor picked that often, you actually should assume that the winrate is way lower than 53%.
Vayne is too strong and Riot already stated they are aware of the case and probably are going to nerf her.
Ziovi5 votesdidn't they say that they were considering buffing other adcs, actually? Do i remember wrong?
Who Feeded You3 votesare you fucking kidding me? Almost every ADC is OP right now...
Dracocrash4 votesexcept - kalista, kog'maw, corki, sivir, and many more.
dominusx3 votescorki isnt even weak. everytime i see him he is a pain in the fucking ass. Sivir is also half decent
Who Feeded You2 votesGuess the "almost" part completely flew over your head? Every "meta" ADC right now is broken... Lucian, Vayne, Caitlyn, Jinx... First 3 are the most root of evil.
Also Sivir is pretty decent when your team has great engage. If you learn how to auto reset with W, you can combo burst enemies pretty hard.
MrWasjig14 votes-5AD
Toxic Main Riven3 votesDo people even know what CC is? stop complaining about every champion on the game Jesus Christ. If you don't like them just ban them, and stop complaining in Boards.
TheHappyReaperz11 votesName checks out
lolipopevelynn2 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnEVNPG8,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-20T23:09:08.535+0000)
"But she's hard to play!" "Oh her early game is so bad!"
No champion like Vayne should have that high of a universal winrate.
Twitch is actually worse. You can't bitch about vayne without bitching about twitch.
As a matter of fact, while were at it lets bitch about quinn too, who also has a 53% winrate.
Hmm, or wait a min, lets go even FURTHER and bitch about kog who is pushing 55% winrate once again.
Please, stop this madness.
THE RlVER KlNG14 votesKog'maw, who is played mid by a highly specialized and minute (0.6%) playerbase and has a 47% winrate bot lane?
Quinn, with a pick rate of less than 2% in her most popular role, as opposed to Vayne's nearly 30%?
Twitch, who actually has a sub-par laning phase with a hugely telegraphed escape, also with a third Vayne's pick rate?
Twitch and Quinn are bullshit, especially Quinn, but they pale in comparison to Vayne right now in a meta of peel and assassins. You can at least jump a Twitch and kill him, and Quinn falls off. Attack speed crit ADCs in general are just cancer right now.
AttackOnTeemos1 votesI'm just going to call BullSht on everyone saying she is 2 shooting people. I have YET to see a vayne basically man mode a whole team. But people blow it way over. As I said 100 times now people don't play to counter her right. >_> If she was this damn strong she would be a top ban not Yasuo, Rengar, darius.
lolipopevelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnEVNPG8,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-11-21T02:25:35.487+0000)
took 45 mins to even reach that point.
They also had a afk olaf. The enemy team was just pure garbage m8.
THE RlVER KlNG10 votesThat Twitch must have felt so outplayed being clicked for 1962 damage.
No champion should be able to do that.
Brain Errör 4044 votesNo... no champ should be able to do that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEDRZnRSh7A
I mean... 2 shotting people should be illegal, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kceIsJPGWFM
I mean, officially, this game is filled with balanced champions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCgZbsFFoHc
But no, let's just post a video, with a late game Vayne, 2 shotting a squishy person. Since, she's the only possible person on the roaster that can do that, you know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQbwGxCnqxc&t=6m36s
But, hey, let's not dwell on just that, ya know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueWagWyuWys
And sometimes, you just gotta end with a bang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5p50EGnpBM
Look, we know that Vayne is slightly over tuned. However, she is still the same late game monster as she'll always be. And if you bitch that you got 2 shotted by a full build Vayne 40minutes into the game without building ANY armor items, then you better check yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPboJ6yEnVI
I mean, just look at her damage BEFORE the Q buffs and tell me there's much of a difference. So she kills you in 1 less auto? Holy shit, so op.
Wait for the nerfs and stop making her sound like she's off the walls.
CppL5 votes[{quoted}](name=Media TM,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xnEVNPG8,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-21T04:56:59.676+0000)
No... no champ should be able to do that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEDRZnRSh7A
I mean... 2 shotting people should be illegal, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kceIsJPGWFM
I mean, officially, this game is filled with balanced champions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCgZbsFFoHc
But no, let's just post a video, with a late game Vayne, 2 shotting a squishy person. Since, she's the only possible person on the roaster that can do that, you know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQbwGxCnqxc&t=6m36s
But, hey, let's not dwell on just that, ya know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueWagWyuWys
And sometimes, you just gotta end with a bang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5p50EGnpBM
Look, we know that Vayne is slightly over tuned. However, she is still the same late game monster as she'll always be. And if you bitch that you got 2 shotted by a full build Vayne 40minutes into the game without building ANY armor items, then you better check yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPboJ6yEnVI
I mean, just look at her damage BEFORE the Q buffs and tell me there's much of a difference. So she kills you in 1 less auto? Holy shit, so op.
Wait for the nerfs and stop making her sound like she's off the walls.
None of these champs has a stealth (who cant be revealed with pink wards anymore) ,knock back+stun,a dash on 1s cd ,%hp true dmg (wich has no counterplay).Also why you put syndra and diana??? these brust mages ,thats what they do.Since when vayne become burst adc?