AD has 3 ways to counter AP, but AP only has 1 AD counter

All Day Tay Tay·Feb 7, 2017·6 votes·1,267 views

35 mr 45 mr 35 mr vs 45 armor Arguably, the hourglass has the strongest active in the game, but still.

19 Comments

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20174 votes

mages are ranged, they aren't supposed to tank damage

and if adcs take those items they pay for less damage except lethality adc with edge of the night

JmmanFeb 7, 20172 votes

and life steal / clease item 3139 , increase movement and malz active item 3814 , cool down reduction, life steal and spell vamp (hey mages can't have it but ad can) item 3156

for real we should add 15% spell vamp, +30 ac, then when under 30% a 300 ad shield and an extra 10% spell vamp with +30 ap. then AP would be slightly underpowered item wise but I could live with it.

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20174 votes

implying that mages are weak right now

MissingKayoFeb 7, 20171 votes

Mage players want everything pandered to them. Sort of like ADC players. Unfortunately, Riot usually listens.

JmmanFeb 7, 20171 votes

I agree Rito listen to ADC players and not Mages. I do wonder about you game experience without any games played.....

DrCyanideFeb 7, 20171 votes

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and if adcs take those items they pay for less damage except lethality adc with edge of the night

So why prevent a Mage from gimping their damage in exchange for more Armor? You let AD champions gimp their damage output, why not let AP champions do the same?

MissingKayoFeb 7, 20172 votes

They're not supposed to have many "hard"-type (Zhonya's being hard-type, health on AP items being 'soft') defensive options.

JmmanFeb 7, 2017

so you just want Ad's to custom build against the team they are playing. You know for a support / adc main your sure have a lot of info on mages..... op I see you don't play a mage support. You must be butt hurt from mages going bot... well this problem would fix it. So mid mages CANT go mid atm.

MissingKayoFeb 7, 20172 votes

Strawman argument.

If you are going to engage in a debate, do it properly. Reading helps.

JmmanFeb 7, 20171 votes

No you said They're not supposed to have many "hard"-type (being zhona's and HP being the other)

So that is not being able to customer your hard type of counters. AD have multiple hard counters. For example pre-casting shield vs proc damage shield vs clicking out of cc. soft would be MR and hp.

Now for an English listen. Since it wasn't way of misrepresenting your opponent's argument. There one hard counter and everyone having the same things isn't what custom means. It is not in fact not a straw man.

second your history shows you playing Non mage support with a little adc included. This is not incorrect. see above.

Third , this was my personal opinion. see above.

lastly I offered possible insight on this would fix the mage bot problem and other issues. But once again my opinion on the matter didn't matter to you. Because you think they "not supposed to have many "hard"-type ". But once again there is only one. Many would imply more than one. You are correct,reading does help.

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20171 votes

history has proved that it's impossible

VekknaFeb 7, 20173 votes

Lethality and armor shred values are so high that the armor on Zhonya's is literally worthless. Your stats might say 100 armor, but the AD champ with item 3071 item 3142 item 3134 is cutting that down to 20 armor. And that's before the kit armor shred that's handed out like candy.

Armor in this meta is literally a waste of gold. Meanwhile, you buy every mpen item in the game, and it adds up to a whopping 30 flat pen.

Proxy345Feb 7, 20171 votes

Literally better off just building item 3083 at this point lol

RalanrFeb 7, 20172 votes

Health counters both.

Truly PridefulFeb 7, 20172 votes

I think you're also forgetting that not every champion has MR per level, but everyone gets Armor per level.

MissingKayoFeb 7, 20171 votes

You're not supposed to tank. And Zhonya's is the strongest active or ability in general in the game.

JmmanFeb 7, 20171 votes

depends on the situation. Since you can't move immune it has its drawbacks.

I would trade it for a clease / ad shield / malz passive and spell vamp any day of the week. And this is from a fiddle main.

Just enough to kill you the Maw is on par with it.

immune cause cced and going to die.....clease will get out away safely

eating cc to escape or kill someone with edge....

Its like saying yea the $98 dollars you have it greater than my $92, $88, or $80..... but never talk about you having $260 to $98. I think that is what is being talking about.

Linna ExcelFeb 7, 20171 votes

item 3031 - counters AP champs pretty well item 3072 - helps you survive their burst (situationally) and sustain helps afterward item 3078 - AD caster item