Explaining why people hate yasuo.

Yi Bencheikh··21 votes·9,935 views

I have played lots of yasuo , but now i realised how stupid is this champion i decided to no longer play him , i don't want to receive death prayers everyday for playing him ..

So , Yasuo is an obnoxious character who dashes around for no cost at a low cooldown and charges up free defenses for doing so

The average bruiser top lane shits on him, no one denies this even in the lowest elo. He frustrates mages mid, especially immobile mages because of his "unique gaem dsogen mobility"

The whole frilly set of movements gives off the flashy '' woosh woosh i can dash look at me hurr durr '' LC$bigplays illusion of "high skill cap" character. But in reality it takes zero skill to do so. Wind wall is instant and can be instantly panic mashed to "clutch mlg big plays" cockblock skillshot based abilities that take a disproportionate amount of skill to properly land and aim vs the amount of skill it takes for yasuo to "counterplay" it with his windwall.

This entire concept of being a little bitch and wasting enemy abilities missing you on your high movement low cool down dashes is reminiscent of old Phantom Lancer in dota. Phantom Lancer's unque trait was that he would make illusions of himself that would fool enemies into wasting entire ults onto him, thinking that it would be him. His actual right click carry damage was kind of below average, though it did mana burn. In this way he would carry by making the enemy waste resources. Normally I think this is good game design, a conceptually creative way of carrying but that is a game with BKB, forcestaff, and tons of immunity abilities and items to shit on carries.

Yasuo is a nonstop mobile character in a fighting game where mobility defines everything.

Though I will admit Asymmetrical lane matchups shouldn't especially be a basis on actual balance changes, as well as going yasuo mid always means an AP jungle or top, otherwise your team comp has no magic damage and the enemy team stacks armor and facerolls you. Thus we can conclude that the majority of GD whining about Yasuo is from solo Q where there is zero coordination.

The reason why mages mid complain about Yasuo and not Zed and Talon? Zed and Talon run on resources and don't get free defenses. Their mobility is also on a much higher cooldown and actually costs a certain amount of resources ( im talking about in lane ) , in which zed's case, makes it easy to telegraph when they will use it.

Yasuo takes too little skill to "mlgoutplay" most mid lane matchups

"I move and get free defenses" isn't gameplay Riot, not when there is a giant area for him to walk around in lane, and unlike in dota where mid lane has highground and harder fog mechanics that make lane harassment an actual timed decision.

55 Comments

Sraeg201310 votes

Ironically he has the worst stats against immobile mid lane mages.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/813/372/c30.gif

The Great Divide2 votes

Because normally immobile mid lane mages have ways to either beat him Annie Malzahar (especially/ moreso prework), or completely ignore him Xerath Orianna Anivia (even more true now that she's been turned into a waveclear bot)

S0kaX9 votes

The salt from Yasuo mains reading this could be used on my fries

Bultz11 votes

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The salt from Yasuo mains reading this could be used on my fries

And the salt from people with no skill crying over Yasuo has literally turned the rift white

NichtHurz8 votes

I don't dislike Yasuo because he's strong or something. I've also hated him when I regularly smashed him as soon as he was picked. Yasuo is just super super unfun to play against, especially with certain champs. There's literally no champ I dislike as much as Yasuo, regardless of their current state in game.

Sraeg20133 votes

Yasuo is just super super unfun to play against, especially with certain champs

Hm... Let's change only one word...

X is just super super unfun to play against, especially with certain champs.

...And we get a rule about this game.

Ruin Lance1 votes

i won't ever understand why people can't understand this simple concept lmao

Sraeg20131 votes

If I were to use the Gameplay Balance's logic, every champion in the game would be deemed unhealthy and uncounterable.

Bultz3 votes

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I don't dislike Yasuo because he's strong or something. I've also hated him when I regularly smashed him as soon as he was picked. Yasuo is just super super unfun to play against, especially with certain champs. There's literally no champ I dislike as much as Yasuo, regardless of their current state in game.

Asking to gut, nerf, and over all change a champion, as the op is asking, because you don't like them is not a reason for any of that to occur. If you can beat him, that means he isn't strong or oppressive. He has counters, he has less than 50% win rate. So by no argument will Yasuo be changed.

Nameless Voice3 votes

Fun is not a function of power.

Sraeg20131 votes

And "more fun" is not a function of "nerf" or "rework".

Bultz2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xbOltcfm,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2016-12-15T20:52:08.616+0000)

Fun is not a function of power.

Fun is not a function of game logic either.

NichtHurz1 votes

I don't want him to be nerfed or buffed, I want Yasuo to get some slight changes so he doesn't suck the fun out of the game.

Bultz2 votes

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I don't want him to be nerfed or buffed, I want Yasuo to get some slight changes so he doesn't suck the fun out of the game.

And I who play him don't want him changed at all since he isn't unfun.

NichtHurz2 votes

Sure, I can totally understand that Yasuo can be great fun to play, but there has to be some middle ground where the players who play him can still have their fun and others don't feel bad all the time when facing him.

I'm not even talking about huge changes, just slight adjustments. I wouldn't even be tell what exactly since it's not single abilities, but more his kit as a whole that annoys me. One thing many people would agree with might be his windwall not coming from the center of his model anymore. It feels horrible to see abilities disappear that clearly passed his windwall before he set it up, just because it starts coming out of his center.

Can we agree that Yasuo is great fun to play, but his kit can very easily cause frustration among his enemies.

Dolasaur2 votes

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Asking to gut, nerf, and over all change a champion, as the op is asking, because you don't like them is not a reason for any of that to occur. If you can beat him, that means he isn't strong or oppressive. He has counters, he has less than 50% win rate. So by no argument will Yasuo be changed.

OP didn't ask Riot to gut/nerf Yasuo. OP explained why, from his/her perspective, so many people dislike Yasuo.

Like... I hate Zed with a passion. I ban him every game that someone else hasn't banned him already, even when his win rate is like 43% due to the patch at the time and his pick rate is "only" 5%. I just hate playing against Zed. And lots of people hate playing against Yasuo the same way I hate playing against Zed.

I imagine Yasuo could have literally 0 base AD (and therefore like 30% win rate) and most of the people that hate him would still hate him, even if they pity him a bit too. Sort of like old Yorick and Poppy. Riot took them out of the skin and free champ rotations because people hated playing against them so much. It didn't matter that their win rates were <50%. People just hated playing against them.

Like Nameless Voice said, saying "his win rate is 50%" does not automatically make him fun to play against.

Bultz1 votes

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OP didn't ask Riot to gut/nerf Yasuo. OP explained why, from his/her perspective, so many people dislike Yasuo.

Like... I hate Zed with a passion. I ban him every game that someone else hasn't banned him already, even when his win rate is like 43% due to the patch at the time and his pick rate is "only" 5%. I just hate playing against Zed. And lots of people hate playing against Yasuo the same way I hate playing against Zed.

I imagine Yasuo could have literally 0 base AD (and therefore like 30% win rate) and most of the people that hate him would still hate him, even if they pity him a bit too. Sort of like old Yorick and Poppy. Riot took them out of the skin and free champ rotations because people hated playing against them so much. It didn't matter that their win rates were <50%. People just hated playing against them.

Like Nameless Voice said, saying "his win rate is 50%" does not automatically make him fun to play against.

The op is whining about a champion every other thread whines about, but has nothing valuable to say in terms of gameplay, actual logic, or anything with correct in terms of how the champion functions. I'm just trolling this thread because he literally has no point other than saying people who play him have no skill and no, that isn't' true Yasuo is a skill based champion. You won't pick him up just like that and not get crushed, anyone who says other wise is lying. There is a difference between a yasuo and a skilled yasuo.

S0kaX1 votes

Yeah because the fact that I can't poke him cause of his shield it's just me playing bad

Bultz6 votes

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I have played lots of yasuo , but now i realised how stupid is this champion i decided to no longer play him , i don't want to receive death prayers everyday for playing him ..

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So , Yasuo is an obnoxious character who dashes around for no cost at a low cooldown and charges up free defenses for doing so

Imagine that, a silver player doesn't like Yasuo.

The average bruiser top lane shits on him, no one denies this even in the lowest elo. He frustrates mages mid, especially immobile mages because of his "unique gaem dsogen mobility"

Imagine that, it's not like the mages don't have utilities to stun him and can range him from across the field. hmm

The whole frilly set of movements gives off the flashy '' woosh woosh i can dash look at me hurr durr '' LC$bigplays illusion of "high skill cap" character. But in reality it takes zero skill to do so. Wind wall is instant and can be instantly panic mashed to "clutch mlg big plays" cockblock skillshot based abilities that take a disproportionate amount of skill to properly land and aim vs the amount of skill it takes for yasuo to "counterplay" it with his windwall.

You don't like his windwall m8? Name me any other counter to adc. Oh no he can shield attacks for 4 seconds. SO op.

This entire concept of being a little bitch and wasting enemy abilities missing you on your high movement low cool down dashes is reminiscent of old Phantom Lancer in dota. Phantom Lancer's unque trait was that he would make illusions of himself that would fool enemies into wasting entire ults onto him, thinking that it would be him. His actual right click carry damage was kind of below average, though it did mana burn. In this way he would carry by making the enemy waste resources. Normally I think this is good game design, a conceptually creative way of carrying but that is a game with BKB, forcestaff, and tons of immunity abilities and items to shit on carries.

You mean like shaco, leblanc etc.? Not Yasuo? Maybe if this game had cc. You know stuns or slows, or something to stop mibility. Gosh darn it's so broken since we have no counters to it like poppy and other.

Yasuo is a nonstop mobile character in a fighting game where mobility defines everything.

Of course, it isn't like you could land a skillshot and kill him, whichnear 90% of champions have cc if not more, but you know mobility clearly controls the game.

Though I will admit Asymmetrical lane matchups shouldn't especially be a basis on actual balance changes, as well as going yasuo mid always means an AP jungle or top, otherwise your team comp has no magic damage and the enemy team stacks armor and facerolls you. Thus we can conclude that the majority of GD whining about Yasuo is from solo Q where there is zero coordination.

So Yasuo isn't broken, people just suck? A moving revelation.

The reason why mages mid complain about Yasuo and not Zed and Talon? Zed and Talon run on resources and don't get free defenses. Their mobility is also on a much higher cooldown and actually costs a certain amount of resources ( im talking about in lane ) , in which zed's case, makes it easy to telegraph when they will use it.

You mean assassin's and slayers don't play the same role in game? oh my! I mean it's not like zed and talon take no skill and have no need for combinations. OR like their kits are meant to burst people instead of sustain in extended fights. But what do I know.

Yasuo takes too little skill to "mlgoutplay" most mid lane matchups

In bronze world yeah. Get to challenger maining Yasuo and we can talk. Every champion takes no skill to play. Some take skill to play well.

"I move and get free defenses" isn't gameplay Riot, not when there is a giant area for him to walk around in lane, and unlike in dota where mid lane has highground and harder fog mechanics that make lane harassment an actual timed decision.

You mean his 200 extra shield which procs on auto attacks. That truly must be hard for you to beat.

Shadòw24 votes

let's play Spot the Yasuo main

Bultz5 votes

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let's play Spot the Yasuo main

Let's play, who got owned by a Yasuo main

Shadòw10 votes

i just think it's funny cause literally the only people defending that champ are Yasuo mains xd

Sraeg20132 votes

You are literally wrong, because I'm literally not a Yasuo main and I'm literally defending him.

Shadòw6 votes

would explain why you are lvl10

Sraeg20131 votes

For reasons I can't give much detail on.

Let's say the nazi mods of the Boards are nazi.

Shadòw6 votes

you are a Yasuo main.

Sraeg20131 votes

http://i.imgur.com/E47ei3Q.png?b

For some reason, despite being a Yasuo "main", he doesn't even appear in my Top 3 champions.

Shadòw5 votes

you secretly just don't have him upgraded to lvl7 so no one sees that 700k

Sraeg20132 votes

http://i.imgur.com/k1wWI84.png?b

Frankly if Champion Mastery was around since Season 3 then MAYBE I'd have 700k on Yasuo by now.

But at the same time I'd have like 2.8m Mastery on Syndra.

Plus you can get MR7 on a champion with as much as 25k Mastery Points.

Bultz2 votes

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i just think it's funny cause literally the only people defending that champ are Yasuo mains xd

OF course, because we are the only ones who have invested years into the champion and actually know how to counter him and know that how well you do on Yasuo is based on person skill level, not the ease of the champion like every other champion.

Shadòw4 votes

doesn't make him less frustrating to play against.

his kit is broken just from the design already..

Bultz2 votes

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doesn't make him less frustrating to play against.

his kit is broken just from the design already..

LOl you have not once invested or even looked at a guid to beat him, but he is broken right? I mean you being a Zed main know everything about Yasuo right? He has a ton of counters. Has counter champions. Has guides how to counter and beat him. He has a lower than 50% win rate and you say he is broken... right...

Shadòw3 votes

broken doesn't always mean OP.

even when he is too weak, his kit will always be broken the way it is.

a 0.1sec dash with no resource and a Wall that can block every projectile can never be fine.

Bultz2 votes

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broken doesn't always mean OP.

Actually it does. Broken means he is broken, overpowered, can't be beat.

even when he is too weak, his kit will always be broken the way it is.

which way, nothing is broken he is playin how is meant to play. Should i say annie is broken because she has stuns? should I say lux is broken because she has a laser freakin beam shooting across the entire screen? no. Don't be stupid.

a 0.1sec dash with no resource and a Wall that can block every projectile can never be fine.

So you are literally crying about the only counter to adc and long range champions in general? The 1 four second wall which is easily baited? really? As for the dash, it does near no damage and that is why he has counters and there are stuns in game. if you are fighting Yasuo in a 1v1 You are stupid because he is a duelist meant to fight 1v1 and meant to sustain. If you are fighting him with a champion he counters, it is stupid to do. If you fight him in the middle of a minion wave, his kingdom, that is your fault. Nearly all top laner counter him and near all mid laners out range him. All you have to do is outplay him, it isn't hard.

Shadòw2 votes

not every champion that is broken must be OP. broken is mostly, but not always OP.

Apart from that, teamfights get decided in 4 seconds, so stop saying it like 4 seconds isn't long. his kit is BS, get over it.

MumenRider081 votes

ofcourse, what other person would defend somebody that gets shitted on from people FOR NO GOD DAMN REASON? Must be feeding yas main that have no brain! noob! Your liberal mindset gives me literally more cancer that a yasuo could ever be

Dabrick014 votes

Mobility isn't everything, it is damage. Twitch is a massive powerhouse late game, but he relies on getting to a position and staying there and unloading dmg.

People don't like the fact that a good Yasuo can mitigate a lot of damage and outplay them.

Yasuo's defences are only good against low level players who can proc his passive or bait out his W. LCS and Challenger players are so good at that, only MASTER Yasuo players can play in Challenger. When Yasuo shows up and dominates pro play, then we will talk.

Yasuo takes skill but not the skill you are talking about. His kit isn't complicated. He has pretty straightforward abilities. His skill cap lies in decision making and chaining abilities for maximum effect.

Your points are so flawed that It is sad. I'm not even sure what side you are on! Is he balanced or are you one of those people who hopped on the bandwagon and don't understand how simple it is to beat Yasuo.

I would like to leave you with an informational video that I found. You might find use of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GwCr5_2YPA

Sraeg20132 votes

"Well, if they ban Yasuo it's a free win, because they are probably trash. HA-HA!"

Sums it up.

Big Lincoln4 votes

i don't care what mage mains say tbh. they whine every time a melee shows up that they can't lane stomp for free

yasuo is healthier than all of them combined xd

Baigon4 votes

I don't play Yasuo personally, but I will never understand the hate for him. I actually really like to play against Yasuo, since a Yasuo lane is super aggressive and both players often have the ability to outplay the other.

Sure, his windwall is a bit frustrating when it block a large chunk of your damage, but it isn't all that difficult to deal with the ability. You can always bait it out very easily, and that is extremely effective due to its massive cooldown.

Outside of the windwall, I can't imagine how any other aspects of his kit are frustrating. I just don't see it.

Like... how can you hate Yasuo when there are champs like Malzahar that turn off your keyboard and mouse for 2.5 seconds by pressing R?

Dracocrash3 votes

I hate him for only 1 reason.

That wind wall. It can be wayy to broken and absolutely useless depending on the matchup.

Bultz1 votes

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I hate him for only 1 reason.

That wind wall. It can be wayy to broken and absolutely useless depending on the matchup.

It's the one adc in game and it is used depending on skill alone.

KoLoTouRoS3 votes

i am not even gonna complain anymore to riot for creating that abomination of a champion im just gonna ban him just like everyone else until riot starts caring.cya in normal games yasuo mains. i hope you wont dodge.

Saianna3 votes

I don't get it. What's the point of this...

We get the same threads every few days.

WE ALREADY KNOW WHY WE HATE YASUO

EVERYONE knows it at this point. Even Yasuo cancer mains.

the weeaboo2 votes

Can we stop the Yasuo QQ already... We get it... There's a crap ton of Yasuo threads already that say the same thing.

"windwall broken, free dashes, too much crit. Shield op" Okay.

Windwall and Dash cost some Flow to cast. Buy Ninja Tabi. Solved.

And for the record Yasuo is a low skill floor high skill ceiling champ. You can be a god with him. Anyone can play Yasuo, only gods can play him well.

bad arcade kitty2 votes

well, yasuo counters my main (Ahri ) in lane so i hate him

if i lane vs, say, syndra, it's hard but i have some counterplay if i lane against a yasuo... i am simply pushed under my tower and out of mana trying to counterpush, so i am outcsed. and yasuo even blocks my attempts to farm/push with my orb when i barely kept some mana for a single orb with his instant windwall. it's a pure bs. not to forget his noticeable and nearly free harass with tornadoes. all of that doesn't need any skill from the yasuo player too

Bishasaurus Flex1 votes

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well, yasuo counters my main (Ahri ) in lane so i hate him

if i lane vs, say, syndra, it's hard but i have some counterplay if i lane against a yasuo... i am simply pushed under my tower and out of mana trying to counterpush, so i am outcsed. and yasuo even blocks my attempts to farm/push with my orb when i barely kept some mana for a single orb with his instant windwall. it's a pure bs. not to forget his noticeable and nearly free harass with tornadoes. all of that doesn't need any skill from the yasuo player too

Conserve mana by letting him push. His wall doesn't block her W, just aim it behind it because be will likely back off when he uses it. Also save your E for when he has no wall and wombo that kunt.

Also stay away from minions, he can't zippity doo dah all around if there are none around. If he jumps onto you, Q Q Q Q. When he backs off is usually when he will windwall.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

In short, yasou was designed to be frustrating to fight. Go figure riot claims his only weakness is 'high skill ceiling'.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

"yasuo takes too little skill to mlgoutplay most mid lane matchups"

Yeah, in bronze/silver yes. In plat+, where people play correctly, this doesn't happen often. It's simply not ture.

"I move and get free defenses"

Maybe the defenses last one second and are triggered by taking damage form an enemy entity?

I11I11I11I11I11I1 votes

Well the I'm not a yasuo main. I main shaco. The thing is yasuo is kinda broken against lower elo players but later on you just pick garen build bani cinder and crush him after. Very skilled champ. People just lose so badly against a good league player. :^)

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