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Delete One: Champion, Item, and Rune

Frosted Tips··10 votes·11,147 views

Champion: This is a close one for me. I truly hate Janna but I believe that if reworked her concept is decent enough she could become a decent champion in the game that isn't opressive and antifun to face, so I would give it to DrMundo who's lore, concept, and abilities have no need in this game. He brings no unique aspects to the game.

Item: Super easy item 2423 this item was introduced for no real good reason and offers way too much safety early on in the game.

Rune: Unsealed Spellbook, because this rune is absolutely ridiculous to keep track of. I already have to put enough effort into knowing what summoners are up and when I should be able to take advantage of someone without this cancerous rune.

What are your picks and reasons?

107 Comments

Infernape7 votes

I'll probably be downvoted for this but whatever.

Champion: Pyke

This champion is actually an abomination. He has a better Tahm E for a passive and a resetting AoE Darius ult for a ultimate. His passive basically nullifies interaction as a Pyke can take a bad trade, pop W or jump in a bush or leave vision range then heal back most of the damage done to him.

Item: Either item 3124 or item 3147

Guinsoo's took part of what made Sated Devourer cancerous (the phantom hit passive) and made it a readily available item. A lot of its current users (like Vayne and Yi) purchase the item not for its hybrid stats but that ridiculous passive. It does nothing more than make the aforementioned champions stat check harder and faster.

Duskblade, simply because it's uninteractive. When it's strong there's no counterplay to it aside from "don't get auto attacked" (heh Triforce can fall under this) and synergises too well with champions with invisibility that can proc it multiple times.

Out of the two I'd probably delete Guinsoo's.

Rune: Conqueror

The mastery (remember those?) it replaced (Fervor of Battle) was a lot more healthier for sustained damage dealers in my opinion. True damage used to be a niche mechanic on certain champions like (Darius with his ult or Vayne with her W). Now it's made readily available to anyone that takes the rune.

OrangeMarine2 votes

Pyke the new support with a blitz Q, a ranged AoE Darius R, mobility, and item 3083 for his passive

Rock MD7 votes

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I'll probably be downvoted for this but whatever.

Give the sucking up a rest. jfc

Infernape1 votes

I actually wrote that about Guinsoo and Duskblade.

Velzard of Koz2 votes

Both of which are complained about

HP Crookshanks7 votes

Champion: Yasuo (Cancerous) Item: item 3155 (Too much stats and a magic shield for only 1300 gold is OP.) Rune: Conqueror (I hate AD bias.)

deadlychuck7 votes

Thresh but like 5 years ago. To avoid the completely redesign of the support role.

item 3812 because double standards are double standards.

Keystone: Does the whole fucking system count?

Daddy ReTaric6 votes

Yasuo: Unbalancable mess who is infuriating to face , even you win against him , He overscale you anyway.

item 3147: Since this item was added it created a huge mess in assassins balance .

Rune Conqueror : Another thing added up that broke the balance of this game by adding another free way to add true damage when it's already obnoxious how much true damage we have in this game.

arthurinfierno6 votes

this is going to be a whole lot of Akali item 3147 and conq

Velzard of Koz2 votes

A whole lot of Yasuos

l MrD l5 votes

Yasuo Just imagine the players reaction when he goes

item 3147 Balance is weakness i guess

aside from the obvious conqueror it would have to be glacial augment .... its a very niche rune unless you can build GLP and twin shadows its not very diverse

Zooperstar4 votes

Leblanc :Seriously just to op and burst to high for the mobility she has. item 3124 : Ik this has already been nerfed but its still kinda busted and every other item is just sorta meh. Rune would have to be conqueror just because of how much armour is ignored.

Frosted Tips1 votes

The only comment I have is that item 3124 would be fine if they would just give up on phantom hits. Phantom hits have been unhealthy since they were introduced into the game. Remove that and then rebalance the item.

If you look at the actual amount of damage you negated with Conqueror it is a lot smaller than people think. The big number that is shown under the stats after the game is just true damage dealt by Conqueror, but that isn't the damage you gained by taking Conqueror. I will explain with an example.

Say you have 100 AD and your target has 100 armor so 50% reduction.

No conqueror or any lethality or penetration the attack will deal 50 damage.

Now with conqueror and nothing else that number goes to 20 true damage plus 80*0.5=40 so 60 damage where 20 damage is true damage and 40 is physical damage.

So in that case the damage that was effectively added was 10 half of the true damage dealt.

I'm not saying conqueror is balanced or anything, just that people don't really understand the numbers at the end game lobby.

LordGeovanni2 votes

I dont think phantom hits are any more toxic than critical strikes doing 200% innate increased damage or being increased to do more damage Whether its by ingnoring a prortion of armor with true damage or increasing the damage itself which is just a diffrent way to do the exact same thing. In my opinion crit damage needs to be nerfed to do 130% innate But that would probally cause a riot so at most 150% and not have anything that increases crit damage (which is already increased damage) After On hits And ap will need to be lowered but crit is the biggest offender in my opinion

JeaneGreene2 votes

For my next trick I’ll make your lifebar dissapear

SSJTribe4 votes

Yasuo , item 3147 , https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/20/Conqueror_rune.png/revision/latest?cb=20180314225947

Śhunpo4 votes

Champion Zed :

Poorly designed, can never be balanced. Far too much outplay potential and is absurd when ahead to the point where you may as well surrender. The only thing keeping him in check is Zhoyna's, that's it.

Item #1 item 2420 :

I don't know whose idea it was to put this in the game, but it was not a good one. This item can never be balanced, and there's a reason why Zhoyna's is worth 2900 gold, and it's sure as hell not for the stats.

Item #2 item 3124 :

The Phantom hit passive causes abuse cases where other items can never be buffed or nerfed without directly impacting them. Additionally some champions such as Yi and Kog turn into burst machines once this item is fully stacked, Yi especially since his "Double Strike" happens every 2 autos.

Item #3 item 3147 :

Lethality was an awful idea, and so was this item's rework. Disgustingly overloaded with its two passives and turns champions into burst machines. Remove this item and revert Lethality to armor pen.

Rune, Aftershock:

A rune that promotes an incredibly lame playstyle. The only reason this can still be in the game is because damage is so high, but then....that makes it kinda broken since damage champions are currently running it as well (looking at you Lissandra and Riven). Once damage is lowered across the board this rune needs to be reworked. Also, why does this rune deal damage? It's already good enough as is.

Glîtchy3 votes

Zoe 'Cause fuck this little shit

item 3046 obnoxious to deal with as it's both offensive and defensive, especially obnoxious and/or rage inducing on champs like Yasuo

conqueror because it really grinds my gears.

Death by Glamour2 votes

Lucian

conqueror

ludens

Frosted Tips2 votes

Any reasons?

Troll Slaiyer2 votes

Leblanc obnoxious item 3124 remove phantom hit like u said conq cuz busted

Hold Ma Baguette2 votes

Oh, boi time to rant.

Champion:Pantheon

I couldn't care less about the new/old hate wagons for Akali Irelia Yasuo MasterYi Zed . This ... thing is the only champion that will make me dodge on sight if picked by the enemy team, I enjoy the laning phase and he simply won't let me lane no matter what I do, it's like he started the game with a 2 kill lead and I'm always playing from behind. His poke is targetted, doesn't run out of mana and his passive.. oh god how dare I try to fight back just to then have my auto blocked, stunned and his passive is back up again, and if he doesn't succeed on murdering me? No problem I'll just ult somewhere else and get fed there. I'm well aware he falls off really hard but I just can't stand 20 mins of doing absolutely anything on top of being 100 cs down just to not die.

Item:item 3124 or item 3157 I know OP said 1 item not, 2 but hey I hate them both equally. Rageblade either makes or breaks on-hit champions, on top of some really dumb interactions like Vayne's W or Master Yi's E it just makes you feel like building resistances don't matter in the slightest. Zhonya's is just... I hate it the amount of times I just get baited into my death or see someone go in WAAAAY too deep to then realize the enemy champion is now golden and his team is collapsing on us, not to mention does it need to give 75 AP, 45 armor, 10% CDR and imo the best active EVER for just 2900g?

Rune: Conqueror

I mean... I love seeing those white numbers when it procs but it's just a pain to play with/against. Got behind? Build tabis to have their effect reduced by that conqueror not to mention it needs 4 secs to activate which means the enemy laner who has it ready to go will win the trade no matter what, for the most part at least, and team fighting? Nice enjoy having huge damage drop off until it procs. TLDR it sucks when behind, and when ahead sucks while team fighting just give me a fervor style rune back pls.

Yaskamasandwich2 votes

The amount of champions on my list that have to be removed is too much to list off.

Items would be also too much ...

Runes would be ... all of them, revert them back to masteries. Preseason to 5 masteries.

.... I don't think I would be a good employee for Riot haha.

Nausicäa 2 votes

Easy

item 3147 Leblanc Conqueror

Theres pretty much no other list.

JeaneGreene2 votes

Lucian: A nightmare to balance, completely polarizing if strong. item 3147: Gives so much oompf to AD assassins, and is pretty much a necessary buy on every single one. Press the Attack: Poorly implemented, and instead of being used to “press the Attack,” it is instead abused as a bursting tool.

Emo Twink2 votes

Zed Feels like no matter how well you lane against him, he'll always snowball, and if you do well enough hell just get merc and hexdrinker just to make sure you cant kill him. Plus his shadow procing electro, his ult giving him free AD, and just standing there waiting to die despite him missing all his Qs cuz of duskblade ult electro. It's horrible. Also his free csing cuz his passive procs on minions, and good waveclear despite meaning to be a weakness of assassins.

item 3155 It's so painful how strong this is. Become unkillable most of the time to an AP opponent for 1300g, while seekers only offers armor and ap after you stack it with farming. Dont even need to upgrade sometimes, that and mercs is a horrible combo.

Aftershock for runes, only because it makes a few ranged champs good using it and without it theyre not the best. Can't get buffed cuz of the rune that makes them really good (Liss for example, rly good with aftershock but she doesnt do much dmg and cant have dmg buffed cuz of it, i like electro more). At least give it half effectiveness on ranged...

Just Monikha2 votes

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Hexdrinker backshield = 9,4 per lvl, how many magic damage you gain per lvl ? more than this i guess so stop crying with your aids class

Emo Twink1 votes

Yeah ill wait until I have all my mpen items, zhonyas, and mana item to start with before i can properly try to kill him with hexdrinker and mercs :/

And some people play blind pick, karen, im just 100% gonna take exhaust as a midlaner all the time cuz its the most effective way to counter one champ ?

Just Monikha1 votes

  1. Balance arround blind pick HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH seriously ????

  2. Lost chapter > pene > zhonya he will rush hexdrinker first and you will have like 33 flat pene and infinite mana, his mr will be like 5 and you gain more than 10 magic damage/lvl

  3. Combo anti AD assassin burst after 6 : Use exhaust after his ult, b and build stopwatch stopwatch after his ult, build zhonya, zhonya after his ult, exhaust is up, exhaust after his ult ==> you denied 4 all in legit

Daddy Ants2 votes

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Hexdrinker backshield = 9,4 per lvl, how many magic damage you gain per lvl ? more than this i guess so stop crying with your aids class

Checks profile.

2/3 top mastery champions are Assassin's.

Why am I not surprised.

Just Monikha1 votes

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Galiö1 votes

Hey, this is the third time you did it. Stop being toxic and sexist please.

Just Monikha2 votes

Champion : Ahri Akali Camille Cassiopeia Evelynn Fiora Gangplank Graves Irelia Ivern Gnar Kennen LeeSin Lulu Lissandra Lux Neeko Nidalee Orianna Poppy Rakan Riven Soraka Sona Vayne Xayah Kaisa ZoeEkko JayceQuinn (help me I can't decide whitch one I want to delete first)

Item : item 3504 item 3076 item 2419 item 3147 item 3109 item 3157 item 3802 item 3020 item 3165 item 3916

Rune : Aftershock, Glacial Augment, Aery, Grasp of the Undying, Conqueror, HP Overheal, Bone Plating, Shield bash, and Kleptomancian

Sir Prepuzius7 votes

you basically hate this game

Just Monikha1 votes

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Sir Prepuzius3 votes

why am i not seeing "the cancer" listed there tho?? and why ivern, poor fellow? :(

Just Monikha1 votes

Ivern = special autistic champion case, this guy invade you but without trading you, only play with his team and disengage all the 1v1 you wanna do with him (and you want this goddamn 1v1 vs this support because he has no damage), super cancer to deal with + he has litteraly nothing to do in League if you read the lore, he defends the nature basically, I m like bro you know this is a battlefield lmfao

LeftyRaydy1 votes

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Ivern = special autistic champion case, this guy invade you but without trading you, only play with his team and disengage all the 1v1 you wanna do with him (and you want this goddamn 1v1 vs this support because he has no damage), super cancer to deal with + he has litteraly nothing to do in League if you read the lore, he defends the nature basically, I m like bro you know this is a battlefield lmfao

Literally cannot pick 1 of 50 champions you picked????? I mean I could understand 2 or 3 but at this point you are just naming everything and are definitely off the OP's main idea here.

Just Monikha1 votes

They re all so unfair and cancer that I wouldn t pick em + for half of them their gameplay are boring asf to play/play with/play against

Alzon2 votes

Champion: Jax One jump, stuns and deletes one person, with another at 25% HP after flashing away. Can’t be autoattacked, has the triple multiplier defensive scalings despite building only AD + HP, dominates lane with stacked passive and Conqueror, inescapable, teamfight monster and splitpush menace. The worst thing is, I can’t stand the feel of his autoattack animations so I don’t play him myself -_-

Item: item 3078 I’d actually rather revert Triforce to build out of Zeal again. Less CDR, less AS, added crit. So long as the buyer has to actually choose between buying Triforce and something else instead of it being a rush item every single game.

Rune: Conqueror. This one rune makes champions who are slowpushing basically untouchable. You can’t contest, can’t roam or they’ll shove instead, and they’ll roam once the wave gets to your tower anyway (or poke/dive you).

Lauchmelder2 votes

Yasuo because his kit is overloaded and the definition of anti-fun for his opponent item 3813 because 30% as bleed means unkillable until overkill. Rune: Dark Harvest because fuck this rune in ARAM.

GigglesO1 votes

LeeSin item 3071 conqueror

He’s always too popular and either god or feeds. Item is just too stat efficient and built every game. Fuck true damage. If I could delete any skills I would delete anything with %max hp true damage.

WoΘxer2 votes

Now calculate how many Lee's are gods and how many feeds.

So I still don't get your point why Lee Sin, bias is the same for every champion.

GigglesO2 votes

Lee has been too popular basically since release. I don’t care if more are feeders than godlike. I don’t want to see him anymore.

Just Monikha1 votes

Almost 50% winrate and is played 34% of games please don't speak about this aids champion if it s not for a huge nerf ^^

LTK KoRo2 votes

Cleaver now sucks, if you want to look at crutch items, you should see first item 3078 item 3285 item 3916 and item 3031

GigglesO1 votes

Cleaver is still extremely good even if it was/wasn’t season 8. I’m tired of having the champions that do use it outmoving me because of the passive. It also gives too much variety in terms of stats.

Cdr, pen, ms, ad, health. IDGAF about the items that you mentioned because they don’t completely fuck defense while being just straight up stat sticks.

LTK KoRo2 votes

actually oblivion orb completely fuck defense while being an cheap statstick

GigglesO1 votes

ehh? You can still mostly negate it with a item 3211

Meanwhile BC neagates all my armor, and gives MS, and CDR, and more damage, and defense.

Just imagine if item 3151 also gave movement speed and cdr.

Just Monikha1 votes

ehhh it s better than item 3134 countered by item 1029 you know XDD

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