Nerf Fizz trickster cooldown already...

Mc Raton·Oct 12, 2018·55 votes·14,574 views

This pain in the a** champion already buy 40% cooldown reduction, why he is still allowed to have an ability at 16-10 second, reduced to 6 second with cooldown reduction, to be untargetable, double tap Dash , AoE and deal a fair amount of damage in same time ?(270+75% AP level 5)

He deserve a cooldown increase on such an ability since he already buy the cooldown cap with every item. He could use a nerf, Fizz is frustrating to face as most of his spell is targeted and fairly easy to land. Make it possible to trade or catch him as the game goes on.

69 Comments

RyzeTheSmurfMageOct 12, 201821 votes

Waiting for Fizz v2 to come here and post something about Fizz being balanced and other champs needing nerfs, also claiming that Fizz has counterplay, and ending his post with an"OMEGALUL"

D357R0Y3ROct 12, 20184 votes

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HungryAngry2SPPOct 12, 20187 votes

I still can't get why you have not been banned from Boards yet

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20181 votes

because challenging people's poorly formed opinions isn't against the rules?

HungryAngry2SPPOct 13, 20181 votes

It isn't, if it's made in a good way, without disrespecting and or insulting others.

(Note the deleted comment :P)

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20181 votes

you said "banned" not "comment removed". Large difference.

HungryAngry2SPPOct 13, 20181 votes

Yeah, I know what I said.

IMO he should have been banned long ago. The deletion of his comments (and the comments in itself) is the reason I think so

NaymlissOct 12, 201817 votes

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D357R0Y3ROct 12, 20182 votes

unranked account

at least doesn't post about how fizz is broken and how ryze is balanced

HeimerLmaoOct 12, 20181 votes

He told nothing about Ryze being balaned. Also "needs nerfs" isn't equal to broken.

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20182 votes

then how about this, why does fizz need nerfs?

He isn't played in competitive or high elo and there is zero statistics to say Fizz is overpowered.

Why does Fizz need nerfs?

HeimerLmaoOct 13, 20181 votes

Don't ask me that question. I'm just pointing out what this guy said uncorrectly.

JakxcombatOct 13, 20181 votes

He needs nerfs because it's well known that at lvl 6 building no items he can 100-0 you. Second, you can only zone him until lvl 3 and then he easily dashes through to you if you even attempt to farm. Third his invincibility is far too forgiving as it's the whole animation not just when he is on top of the trident, so there's almost no mage who can stun him as most stuns are pretty telegraphed. Finally all of this kit does damage and an absurd amount at that.

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20181 votes

He needs nerfs because it's well known that at lvl 6 building no items he can 100-0 you.

Except he can't. If he could, people would pick him in high elo and competitive play, but they don't.

Second, you can only zone him until lvl 3 and then he easily dashes through to you if you even attempt to farm.

You can zone him while his dashes are on cooldown.

Third his invincibility is far too forgiving as it's the whole animation not just when he is on top of the trident, so there's almost no mage who can stun him as most stuns are pretty telegraphed.

It's a high cooldown and he's melee. You can stun him if you bait out his E.

Finally all of this kit does damage and an absurd amount at that.

It doesn't deal an absurd amount, or else he would be PICKED, but he ISN'T PICKED.

Fízz v2Oct 12, 20184 votes

EUNE silver Ryze main... i mean im not trying to rank shame aggressively, but... Fizz might have more counterplay than silver players think hehe xd

HungryAngry2SPPOct 13, 20181 votes

Yeah, in fact you re passively-agressively rank shaming.

Please edit your comment, and follow the Universal Rules (blah blah blah, usual stuff a mod would say)

Be nice to people and they will be nice to you. Have a good day Fish 2

Fízz v2Oct 13, 20181 votes

rank is relevant tho, if a challenger player tells me that Fizz has no counterplay he might be right, but if a silver mid laner says it... hm :thinking:

HungryAngry2SPPOct 13, 20181 votes

Ignore them, you know they are wrong and you're right. Think this "lol nub stay bronze" and go over. About ranks, just follow this rule, simple "No rank-shaming"

Mc RatonOct 12, 20183 votes

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funny, considering that ryze is x15 times more broken than fizz, and how he has less counterplay than fizz, I think you should be the one ending your post with omegalul

inb4 some trash silvers come and bring out win rate to this discussion

Ryze is low tier mid champion and he isn't even played top anymore when he used to be oppressive before his rework. Ryze require patience to scale and actual brain to chain your combo perfectly.

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20182 votes

then why does Ryze see competitive play (both LCS/LCK and diamond 3+ solo queue) and Fizz doesn't?

3TWarriorOct 13, 20182 votes

because he can be a lane bully, roams well, scales decently, loses a lot of his squishiness, has good wave clear

what am I missing?

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20182 votes

nothing else really. pretty much my point that ryze >>>>>> fizz

3TWarriorOct 13, 20181 votes

though does he perform that well in solo queue? his low defensive stats and lack of escapes make him an easy target for ganks, especially if his opponent has any crowd control

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20181 votes

lack of escapes????? low defensive stats???

He literally has access to a large shield that also gives movement speed, and he has a target snare.

3TWarriorOct 14, 20181 votes

his W is only a root, his opponents will likely out-damage and out-range him. If it's two against one, he can only handle one opponent and has very low defensive stats until he gets Zhonya's

you also seem to have neglected that I mentioned that as a "target for ganks"

quite a few junglers and mid laners can easily get to him and despite being a lane bully, his stats are really underwhelming and a bit of magic resist cripples him

probably the only match-ups I can think of that have a bad time against him are Teemo and Ekko. Everything else is neutral and if you adjust your build for magic resist, he can't do much

champions with silences or hard crowd control can maim him as well

AirKingNeoOct 14, 20181 votes

quite a few junglers and mid laners can easily get to him and despite being a lane bully, his stats are really underwhelming and a bit of magic resist cripples him

no, because he uses weq and runs away with a shield and speed up.

3TWarriorOct 15, 20181 votes

lee sin: Q and he's caught rengar: roots do not interrupt dashes fiddlesticks: silence and fear for at least 2 seconds of hard crowd control Amumu : probably the longest duration of hard CC in the game if it's post 6 Chogath : silence, hard crowd control, lots of instakill potential Karma : karma can out-push him, though not sure if that really counts Khazix : attempting to run is a bad idea without a minion wave Morgana ; immune to crowd control until her shield is burst and has two long duration hard CC herself Nocturne : you may be able to root him, but he is going to get his full rotation off on you. He also has a spell shield so if they play it right, he can not be rooted right away Olaf : immune to crowd conrol post 6 Pyke : (i'm not familiar enough with him to comment, but he is said to frequently jungle and being invisible takes away that point and click CC) Quinn : her burst damage is insanely high and roots do not interrupt dashes Shaco : frequently known for his invisible engages Syndra : if syndra wants to kill the ryze, she is going to kill the ryze Talon : highest early damage burst in the game and after level 6, he can do it while invisible TwistedFate : decent early burst and he can be on top of you any time there is an opening post 6 Twitch : I have not seen him used jungle, but invisibility and an E that has long range Zac : zac is zac! Zilean : not sure if zilean counts but their range is about the same and he has some of the highest burst AOE damage in the game, even early game

and these are only the champions that have a means to defeat his primary defensive W fairly sure most of them were constricted to the conditions of mid or jungler position as well

ScrawnyScarecrowOct 12, 20189 votes

Don't forget the slow.

OpistachOct 12, 20187 votes

He doesn't need a nerf, he needs a rework. Increasing the cooldown on his E is not going to change anything. It didn't before and it won't now.

Make it to high, he will be shit. Make it too low, he is broken.

Rework.

SammystormOct 12, 20182 votes

The problem in my mind is his ult. It lets him be too dominate in lane when it is strong and he is garbage when it is weak.

Votable JesterOct 12, 20181 votes

I think the issue is his ult is his least reliable damage but it's still pretty darn reliable.

SammystormOct 13, 20182 votes

Well that is the thing. His ult as a zoning tool is one of his most powerful tools. As a squishy champ if you don't dodge his r you are most likely dead come level 6.

Mc RatonOct 12, 20181 votes

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He doesn't need a nerf, he needs a rework. Increasing the cooldown on his E is not going to change anything. It didn't before and it won't now.

Make it to high, he will be shit. Make it too low, he is broken.

Rework.

I know but meanwhile he get eventually reworked, since Riot love to keep their main champs intact, he could use a nerf on his cooldown of his E.

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20181 votes

why nerf fizz if he isn't statistically strong enough to warrant a nerf?

OpistachOct 13, 20181 votes

Well Fizz is not a poster champ. He is relevant, but not really a problem. No real reason to nerf his E. You have my absolute guarantee that if you see another cooldown nerf on his E. You will complain about him the next time he manages to stomp a game. The current problems with Fizz are mostly around his W. It is an overloaded ability that cannot be balanced in a healthy way.

Lunar StrainOct 12, 20185 votes

why the fuck do people censor themselves lol

Mc RatonOct 12, 20181 votes

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why the fuck do people censor themselves lol

It's called respect of the boards rule.

AirKingNeoOct 13, 20182 votes

there's no rule saying you can't say ass

3TWarriorOct 14, 20181 votes

perhaps, but common courtesy and decency can be applied even online

Colton147Oct 12, 20184 votes

Ryze is a very mechanically intensive champion and has a very high skill ceiling.

He's been gutted with nerfs due to pro play and is badly in need of compensation buffs.

AseraanOct 12, 20181 votes

Funny thing talking about MECHANNICSUUUUU when a ryze smash his keayboar as fast i smash my meat for dinner BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT BUT butt BOUT........when i do the same thing on yi its irrelevant how much heavy cc i avoid or how good im juking as running around whit my cursor I AM PLAYING MASTER YI SO ITS IMMPOSIBLE THAT I DO ANY MECHANICS CUZ IM PLAYING A NOBRAIN CHAMPION.................................KAPPA

Mechanics pffff pls..............the 1st thing every effin rise will do when i rush them is use run prison EVERY EFFIN TIME. I cant even tell what is he casting the animations looks like he's being possesed. OR his just living the "car salesman" meme too hard as much as his slaping....

FlashesOct 13, 20183 votes

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Funny thing talking about MECHANNICSUUUUU when a ryze smash his keayboar as fast i smash my meat for dinner BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT BUT butt BOUT........when i do the same thing on yi its irrelevant how much heavy cc i avoid or how good im juking as running around whit my cursor I AM PLAYING MASTER YI SO ITS IMMPOSIBLE THAT I DO ANY MECHANICS CUZ IM PLAYING A NOBRAIN CHAMPION.................................KAPPA

Mechanics pffff pls..............the 1st thing every effin rise will do when i rush them is use run prison EVERY EFFIN TIME. I cant even tell what is he casting the animations looks like he's being possesed. OR his just living the "car salesman" meme too hard as much as his slaping....

wtf did I just attempt to read

AetherArisingOct 13, 20181 votes

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wtf did I just attempt to read

I’m not sure but i think he might’ve had a stroke

someone call the ambulance

AseraanOct 14, 20181 votes

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wtf did I just attempt to read

Honestly...............i have no fking idea, it's just coming to my mind from time to time when i read comments here but this isnt what i rly think its much more like a couple of fk yous and some actual argument here and there. Also i kind of COMMING whit this shit up on the run ALL THE TIME, so its pretty chaotic not much to help there .

Also want to point out that THAT i have read even worse than this on these forums and i did understand that so when you write this as a ONE LINE PUNCHER i will just laugh(no iwont your pathetic lame one liner is stale unfunny and borderlane time wasting) and move on.

Mc RatonOct 12, 20182 votes

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is a very mechanically intensive champion and has a very high skill ceiling.

He's been gutted with nerfs due to pro play and is badly in need of compensation buffs.

Ryze need practice to acheive good goal. His main proc spell is skillshot and you can easily dodge it. His ult is 100% utility and is not wisely used 3/4 of the time. Fizz on the other hand, have his main damage tool targeted and once he is on his target, he will 100% sure hit his trickster, unless his enemy flash/dash/blink. If he kill his opponent beforehand, he will E to safety...making it impossible to lock him down.

ZackTheWaffleManOct 13, 20181 votes

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is a very mechanically intensive champion and has a very high skill ceiling.

He's been gutted with nerfs due to pro play and is badly in need of compensation buffs.

this guy lmfao

take my updoot

GayFluffyUnicornOct 13, 20181 votes

He is badly in need of additional nerfs because this monstrosity should never be picked.

EDAGASEOct 13, 20182 votes

This abomination of a champion needs a rework. His kit is anti fun.

ZerglingOneOct 14, 20182 votes

Untargetable should not mean invincible.

He can have a damage reduction effect and maybe be immune to CC while it's going on, but not invincible.

Let AoE affect him. So it should allow for cancelation of turret aggro, immunity to auto attacks and targeted spells, including skill shots that only hit a single enemy. But anything else is fair game.