... Would be nice that most of them weren't just stronger than their counterpart and people would play something they like to play instead of abusing of what strong. It get boring to get 3/4 of champion played in this list every game..
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Poske12 votesPopular champions arent always OP champions
For example in your list
Strictly for high elo Brand is subpar ever since spellthief gold gain change (Mightaswell do velkoz,taliyah,new champ are all more efficient then brand) Lee sin is subpar ever since green jng item and Riot pointless buffs cant compensate that void Jhin is literaly the worst ADC in game only rivaling vayne. High elo players can orbwalk at high attackspeed jhin is there just for noobs and even then he sucks Le blanc is garbage tier ever since the revert + Riot even gutted her further. The only impressive thing about her is undeserved banrate Ezreal is fine Zed is barely viable (Barely as in almost to weak) Lucian is slightly overated but whatever, only useful when ahead
Whenever you play lucian ADC you might aswell player irelia/yasuo adc be more mobile and overloaded with slightly less range
Jax is debatable even with reaver. I wouldnt touch him
I ll list what I would personaly nerf (Only nerfing eventho I would like to suggest buffs to) I am not biased type of person and I main way to many champions and care more about the game overall health rather then not nerfing my OP mains.
Flex roles > **Yasuo **and ** Irelia **(I literaly main both and I am asking for nerfs, they arent OP per say but they are both tier 2 in 3 different roles) I would personaly remove the windwall curve (MAKE IT MORE LIKE AN I RATHER THEN C), and make Irelia W dodge-able (slower missle)
Jungle > Evelynn (Shouldnt exist in current state and I mean it) , Cammile (shouldnt exist in current state, toplane cammile also needs nerfs) , Graves (to OP nerf W vision reduction in some way), Kindred (To OP nerf dmg),
This 4 Need big nerfs (Kindred medium one)
Below 5 need small nerfs Mini love tap nerfs to Kha, Rengar and Gragas, Hecarim (Didnt need that buff), Nocturne (Paranoia lasts entire S8 teamfight duration 10/10 NERF)
Toplane > Nerf Cho (prob silence), Sion (Best tanks atm along with Ali support and gragas jngle by a margin but granted tanking in this game sucks) Revert dumb Fiora buffs, Revert dumb Riven buffs (Last few), Nerf Urgot (IDK what excatly), nerf AATROX (auto dmg by a bit)
Midlane Nerf Lissandra (She can also be flexed top) it has nothing to do with new passive she is just more efficient assassin then most assassin, almost as efficient dps mage as cass/tali is while being CC lockdown zone machine which is also quite impossible to gank
Nerf kassadin (The only reason this champ is usually broken is because half of Riot balance staff mains him and needs him to maintain high elo)
I would say Nerf Ryze but lets respect low Elo...
Marskman KYSAISA by alot Draven (by a bit he liked those new runes) Lucian (by a bit, strictly for winrate.. I dont think the winrate he has is realistic.. but whatever)
Support
Pyke Thresh (strictly since his winrate is to high.. I dont think his winrate is realistic either) Rakan (not to much tho)
General toxic flash combos nerfs Vladimir E>Flash, Neeko R>flash, Galio W>flash this combos shouldnt exist in a game (I hate removing mechanics but.. ughh there is a good reason for this) Nerf kennen and jayce because they benefited to much as ranged anti melee champions with Uber Tower damage buff, free tower gold, map opening up later turtling the ranged overlords)
Thats enough for 1 patch After those I estimate YI and Kled being the next biggest problematic thing
Mc Raton4 votesPopular champions arent always OP champions
For example in your list
Strictly for high elo Brand is subpar ever since spellthief gold gain change (Mightaswell do velkoz,taliyah,new champ are all more efficient then brand) Lee sin is subpar ever since green jng item and Riot pointless buffs cant compensate that void Jhin is literaly the worst ADC in game only rivaling vayne. High elo players can orbwalk at high attackspeed jhin is there just for noobs and even then he sucks Le blanc is garbage tier ever since the revert + Riot even gutted her further. The only impressive thing about her is undeserved banrate Ezreal is fine Zed is barely viable (Barely as in almost to weak) Lucian is slightly overated but whatever, only useful when ahead
Whenever you play lucian ADC you might aswell player irelia/yasuo adc be more mobile and overloaded with slightly less range
Jax is debatable even with reaver. I wouldnt touch him
I ll list what I would personaly nerf (Only nerfing eventho I would like to suggest buffs to) I am not biased type of person and I main way to many champions and care more about the game overall health rather then not nerfing my OP mains.
Flex roles > **Yasuo **and ** Irelia **(I literaly main both and I am asking for nerfs, they arent OP per say but they are both tier 2 in 3 different roles) I would personaly remove the windwall curve (MAKE IT MORE LIKE AN I RATHER THEN C), and make Irelia W dodge-able (slower missle)
Jungle > Evelynn (Shouldnt exist in current state and I mean it) , Cammile (shouldnt exist in current state, toplane cammile also needs nerfs) , Graves (to OP nerf W vision reduction in some way), Kindred (To OP nerf dmg),
This 4 Need big nerfs (Kindred medium one)Below 5 need small nerfs Mini love tap nerfs to Kha, Rengar and Gragas, Hecarim (Didnt need that buff), Nocturne (Paranoia lasts entire S8 teamfight duration 10/10 NERF)
Toplane > Nerf Cho (prob silence), Sion (Best tanks atm along with Ali support and gragas jngle by a margin but granted tanking in this game sucks) Revert dumb Fiora buffs, Revert dumb Riven buffs (Last few), Nerf Urgot (IDK what excatly), nerf AATROX (auto dmg by a bit)
Midlane Nerf Lissandra (She can also be flexed top) it has nothing to do with new passive she is just more efficient assassin then most assassin, almost as efficient dps mage as cass/tali is while being CC lockdown zone machine which is also quite impossible to gank
Nerf kassadin (The only reason this champ is usually broken is because half of Riot balance staff mains him and needs him to maintain high elo)
I would say Nerf Ryze but lets respect low Elo...
Marskman KYSAISA by alot Draven (by a bit he liked those new runes) Lucian (by a bit, strictly for winrate.. I dont think the winrate he has is realistic.. but whatever)
Support
Pyke Thresh (strictly since his winrate is to high.. I dont think his winrate is realistic either) Rakan (not to much tho)
General toxic flash combos nerfs Vladimir E>Flash, Neeko R>flash, Galio W>flash this combos shouldnt exist in a game (I hate removing mechanics but.. ughh there is a good reason for this) Nerf kennen and jayce because they benefited to much as ranged anti melee champions with Uber Tower damage buff, free tower gold, map opening up later turtling the ranged overlords)
Thats enough for 1 patch After those I estimate YI and Kled being the next biggest problematic thing
Your whole comment is a mess to read and you basically complain about basic stuff you can play and your opinion is biased toward your main(Irelia/Yasuo) , two champion that bring a lot of hate. Not even worth to take your comment in consideration, sorry.
Nicolasbo1432 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-22T01:23:07.290+0000)
Your whole comment is a mess to read and you basically complain about basic stuff you can play and your opinion is biased toward your main(Irelia/Yasuo) , two champion that bring a lot of hate. Not even worth to take your comment in consideration, sorry.
How tf does top lane camille need nerfs? Shes only strong in ig, she gets bullied in lane lmao.
Mc Raton2 votesHow tf does top lane camille need nerfs? Shes only strong in ig, she gets bullied in lane lmao.
Camille R Lock down is a huge part of why people want her nerfed...that and her 1k true damage on a basic ability...and the long range dash..Lmao... basically everything except her W is bothering at least someone. She could use a nerf on her Q true damage converstion because a Basic ability dishing more true damage than Darius ultimate at level 3... is kinda wrong..
Nicolasbo1435 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T02:57:09.166+0000)
Camille R Lock down is a huge part of why people want her nerfed...that and her 1k true damage on a basic ability...and the long range dash..Lmao... basically everything except her W is bothering at least someone. She could use a nerf on her Q true damage converstion because a Basic ability dishing more true damage than Darius ultimate at level 3... is kinda wrong..
Shes squishy and not in the meta. Wow it's almost as if her kit is meant to dive someone.
Mc Raton1 votesShes squishy and not in the meta. Wow it's almost as if her kit is meant to dive someone.
She is meta ? She is high tier in jungle and top lane... what kind of island are you on ?
AirKingNeo6 votesWe already established she isn't high tier in top lane.
Minimac20001 votesPopular champions arent always OP champions
For example in your list
Strictly for high elo Brand is subpar ever since spellthief gold gain change (Mightaswell do velkoz,taliyah,new champ are all more efficient then brand) Lee sin is subpar ever since green jng item and Riot pointless buffs cant compensate that void Jhin is literaly the worst ADC in game only rivaling vayne. High elo players can orbwalk at high attackspeed jhin is there just for noobs and even then he sucks Le blanc is garbage tier ever since the revert + Riot even gutted her further. The only impressive thing about her is undeserved banrate Ezreal is fine Zed is barely viable (Barely as in almost to weak) Lucian is slightly overated but whatever, only useful when ahead
Whenever you play lucian ADC you might aswell player irelia/yasuo adc be more mobile and overloaded with slightly less range
Jax is debatable even with reaver. I wouldnt touch him
I ll list what I would personaly nerf (Only nerfing eventho I would like to suggest buffs to) I am not biased type of person and I main way to many champions and care more about the game overall health rather then not nerfing my OP mains.
Flex roles > **Yasuo **and ** Irelia **(I literaly main both and I am asking for nerfs, they arent OP per say but they are both tier 2 in 3 different roles) I would personaly remove the windwall curve (MAKE IT MORE LIKE AN I RATHER THEN C), and make Irelia W dodge-able (slower missle)
Jungle > Evelynn (Shouldnt exist in current state and I mean it) , Cammile (shouldnt exist in current state, toplane cammile also needs nerfs) , Graves (to OP nerf W vision reduction in some way), Kindred (To OP nerf dmg),
This 4 Need big nerfs (Kindred medium one)Below 5 need small nerfs Mini love tap nerfs to Kha, Rengar and Gragas, Hecarim (Didnt need that buff), Nocturne (Paranoia lasts entire S8 teamfight duration 10/10 NERF)
Toplane > Nerf Cho (prob silence), Sion (Best tanks atm along with Ali support and gragas jngle by a margin but granted tanking in this game sucks) Revert dumb Fiora buffs, Revert dumb Riven buffs (Last few), Nerf Urgot (IDK what excatly), nerf AATROX (auto dmg by a bit)
Midlane Nerf Lissandra (She can also be flexed top) it has nothing to do with new passive she is just more efficient assassin then most assassin, almost as efficient dps mage as cass/tali is while being CC lockdown zone machine which is also quite impossible to gank
Nerf kassadin (The only reason this champ is usually broken is because half of Riot balance staff mains him and needs him to maintain high elo)
I would say Nerf Ryze but lets respect low Elo...
Marskman KYSAISA by alot Draven (by a bit he liked those new runes) Lucian (by a bit, strictly for winrate.. I dont think the winrate he has is realistic.. but whatever)
Support
Pyke Thresh (strictly since his winrate is to high.. I dont think his winrate is realistic either) Rakan (not to much tho)
General toxic flash combos nerfs Vladimir E>Flash, Neeko R>flash, Galio W>flash this combos shouldnt exist in a game (I hate removing mechanics but.. ughh there is a good reason for this) Nerf kennen and jayce because they benefited to much as ranged anti melee champions with Uber Tower damage buff, free tower gold, map opening up later turtling the ranged overlords)
Thats enough for 1 patch After those I estimate YI and Kled being the next biggest problematic thing
You'd take flash-w away from galio of all people? It's legit the only reason to not build him full ap. Tank galio is already unviable, it doesn't need more nerfs. At worst, I'd say make galio q actually waveclear again and remove the damage from w like before. And rakans flash wr combo is really annoying, yeah. But without it and pre-6 rakan is just not a real champion so I'm ok with that Also disagree about jax, thinks he needs some slight taps in the downward direction, just bc game state broke him. The rest I can get behind though
Poske1 votesYou'd take flash-w away from galio of all people? It's legit the only reason to not build him full ap. Tank galio is already unviable, it doesn't need more nerfs. At worst, I'd say make galio q actually waveclear again and remove the damage from w like before. And rakans flash wr combo is really annoying, yeah. But without it and pre-6 rakan is just not a real champion so I'm ok with that Also disagree about jax, thinks he needs some slight taps in the downward direction, just bc game state broke him. The rest I can get behind though
I would take the combo away because its unhealthy, if galio needs compensations (which I am quite sure he doesnt atm) he would get em Jax just got nerfed + they might change reaver so whats the point he ll get nerfed indirectly later
Diar1 votesPopular champions arent always OP champions
For example in your list
Strictly for high elo Brand is subpar ever since spellthief gold gain change (Mightaswell do velkoz,taliyah,new champ are all more efficient then brand) Lee sin is subpar ever since green jng item and Riot pointless buffs cant compensate that void Jhin is literaly the worst ADC in game only rivaling vayne. High elo players can orbwalk at high attackspeed jhin is there just for noobs and even then he sucks Le blanc is garbage tier ever since the revert + Riot even gutted her further. The only impressive thing about her is undeserved banrate Ezreal is fine Zed is barely viable (Barely as in almost to weak) Lucian is slightly overated but whatever, only useful when ahead
Whenever you play lucian ADC you might aswell player irelia/yasuo adc be more mobile and overloaded with slightly less range
Jax is debatable even with reaver. I wouldnt touch him
I ll list what I would personaly nerf (Only nerfing eventho I would like to suggest buffs to) I am not biased type of person and I main way to many champions and care more about the game overall health rather then not nerfing my OP mains.
Flex roles > **Yasuo **and ** Irelia **(I literaly main both and I am asking for nerfs, they arent OP per say but they are both tier 2 in 3 different roles) I would personaly remove the windwall curve (MAKE IT MORE LIKE AN I RATHER THEN C), and make Irelia W dodge-able (slower missle)
Jungle > Evelynn (Shouldnt exist in current state and I mean it) , Cammile (shouldnt exist in current state, toplane cammile also needs nerfs) , Graves (to OP nerf W vision reduction in some way), Kindred (To OP nerf dmg),
This 4 Need big nerfs (Kindred medium one)Below 5 need small nerfs Mini love tap nerfs to Kha, Rengar and Gragas, Hecarim (Didnt need that buff), Nocturne (Paranoia lasts entire S8 teamfight duration 10/10 NERF)
Toplane > Nerf Cho (prob silence), Sion (Best tanks atm along with Ali support and gragas jngle by a margin but granted tanking in this game sucks) Revert dumb Fiora buffs, Revert dumb Riven buffs (Last few), Nerf Urgot (IDK what excatly), nerf AATROX (auto dmg by a bit)
Midlane Nerf Lissandra (She can also be flexed top) it has nothing to do with new passive she is just more efficient assassin then most assassin, almost as efficient dps mage as cass/tali is while being CC lockdown zone machine which is also quite impossible to gank
Nerf kassadin (The only reason this champ is usually broken is because half of Riot balance staff mains him and needs him to maintain high elo)
I would say Nerf Ryze but lets respect low Elo...
Marskman KYSAISA by alot Draven (by a bit he liked those new runes) Lucian (by a bit, strictly for winrate.. I dont think the winrate he has is realistic.. but whatever)
Support
Pyke Thresh (strictly since his winrate is to high.. I dont think his winrate is realistic either) Rakan (not to much tho)
General toxic flash combos nerfs Vladimir E>Flash, Neeko R>flash, Galio W>flash this combos shouldnt exist in a game (I hate removing mechanics but.. ughh there is a good reason for this) Nerf kennen and jayce because they benefited to much as ranged anti melee champions with Uber Tower damage buff, free tower gold, map opening up later turtling the ranged overlords)
Thats enough for 1 patch After those I estimate YI and Kled being the next biggest problematic thing
Dude, you main irelia and yasuo.. the two most hated champions in the game, Leblanc and brand aren't bad, i just got 2 pentas with brand in 6 games, so maybe we shouldnt even think about your comment
Poske1 votesDude, you main irelia and yasuo.. the two most hated champions in the game, Leblanc and brand aren't bad, i just got 2 pentas with brand in 6 games, so maybe we shouldnt even think about your comment
I am the best Le blanc main in this world she is bad. She IS AT THE WEAKEST SHE HAS EVER BEEN and that equals bad I main this champ since season 1 I peeked multiple times as #1 Le blanc world
I have Consistently played Le blanc till the very recently, She is just so weak I cant stand playing her anymore
Brand is worse Velkoz, taliyah other mage support Why? Because he no longer gains 40 gold of a 1 ability so the other mage supports surpassed him
I main yasuo and Irelia yet I am asking for their nerfs? whats wrong with that? Its not like I exluded the 2 champions I spam each in 3 different roles I didnt use any BIAS in my nerf String
But yeah you got pentakill with brand so he cant be bad am I right?
Dr Dog11 votesid take off graves tbh hes pretty balanced out now, might wanna throw kha up there instead of him or maybe rengar whos still really popular and snowbally
Mc Raton20 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-21T17:47:31.352+0000)
id take off graves tbh hes pretty balanced out now, might wanna throw kha up there instead of him or maybe rengar whos still really popular and snowbally
Kha'Zhix is sleeper OP but I don't see him everygame.
Dr Dog34 votessleeper op? hes a number 1 jger and has almost a 20% playrate in plat+ hes very highly picked
Mc Raton2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-21T18:23:51.114+0000)
sleeper op? hes a number 1 jger and has almost a 20% playrate in plat+ hes very highly picked
Yea but fairly squishy but yea I get your point. Stealth overall is lame and Kha'Zhix is no exception.
Illabethe10 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-21T21:00:52.179+0000)
Yea but fairly squishy but yea I get your point. Stealth overall is lame and Kha'Zhix is no exception.
Stealth isn't what makes Kha OP. It's up to 3 900 range leap resets, early game invade dominance from his Isolation passive. He could lose his Invisibility and still be a 51% win rate champ.
Mc Raton2 votesStealth isn't what makes Kha OP. It's up to 3 900 range leap resets, early game invade dominance from his Isolation passive. He could lose his Invisibility and still be a 51% win rate champ.
Pretty sure that If you remove stealth, Kha'Zhix will be less a pain to deal with . He will drop in win rate a lot.
Illabethe6 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-12-22T02:54:29.251+0000)
Pretty sure that If you remove stealth, Kha'Zhix will be less a pain to deal with . He will drop in win rate a lot.
You. Didn't. Read. What. I. Said.
Kha's strength in a game is before he even has his Stealth. If he's not fed before then, he's invariably useless the rest of the game.
And, I said..... he would still have a 51% win rate. Do you even know what Kha main win rates average out at?
58.35%
In Other words: Yes. I did say his win rate would drop. BUT IT WOULD STILL BE POSITIVE.
Mc Raton2 votesYou. Didn't. Read. What. I. Said.
Kha's strength in a game is before he even has his Stealth. If he's not fed before then, he's invariably useless the rest of the game.
And, I said..... he would still have a 51% win rate. Do you even know what Kha main win rates average out at?
58.35%
In Other words: Yes. I did say his win rate would drop. BUT IT WOULD STILL BE POSITIVE.
I highly doubt he would remain with a positive win rate.
Illabethe7 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T04:39:00.228+0000)
I highly doubt he would remain with a positive win rate.
If that were the case, why do people never Evolve his ult to boost the utility of it?
ShaolinToilet3 votesBecause it's already good enough
Gilgayu2 votesStealth isn't what makes Kha OP. It's up to 3 900 range leap resets, early game invade dominance from his Isolation passive. He could lose his Invisibility and still be a 51% win rate champ.
Stealth is what makes Kha so strong. (Read the whole thing before downvoting)
This is Kha's passive
INNATE: Kha'Zix gains Unseen Threat when the enemy team loses sight of him, causing his next basic attack against an enemy champion to deal 14 − 150 (based on level) (+ 40% bonus AD) bonus magic damage and slow them by 25% for 2 seconds.
This has no cd, which means Kha can proc it everytime he enters a bush or becomes invisible Let's say kha is 1v1'ing someone, and he has 100 bonus ad (15 minute-ish) He starts by q auto, dealing [280(q) + (140(p) + 170(auto))] He enters stealth, then auto w q [(140(p) + 170(auto)) + 245(w) + 280(q)] He enters stealth again, auto e q and finishes that enemy, [(140(p) + 170(auto)) + 190(e) + 280(q)]
So in this fight he did 2205 damage (if the enemy has no armor) Out of those, 930 are from his autos procting his passive.
People underestimate Kha'zix's ability to fight near bush, which is why fight kha in the jungle is such a stupid thing to do. The slow from his passive and duskblade slow is also what made players feel like they can never run away.
Jungler's passive tend to be underated, like syvanna's, kha's, and kayn's.
Illabethe1 votesStealth is what makes Kha so strong. (Read the whole thing before downvoting)
This is Kha's passive
INNATE: Kha'Zix gains Unseen Threat when the enemy team loses sight of him, causing his next basic attack against an enemy champion to deal 14 − 150 (based on level) (+ 40% bonus AD) bonus magic damage and slow them by 25% for 2 seconds.
This has no cd, which means Kha can proc it everytime he enters a bush or becomes invisible Let's say kha is 1v1'ing someone, and he has 100 bonus ad (15 minute-ish) He starts by q auto, dealing [280(q) + (140(p) + 170(auto))] He enters stealth, then auto w q [(140(p) + 170(auto)) + 245(w) + 280(q)] He enters stealth again, auto e q and finishes that enemy, [(140(p) + 170(auto)) + 190(e) + 280(q)]
So in this fight he did 2205 damage (if the enemy has no armor) Out of those, 930 are from his autos procting his passive.
People underestimate Kha'zix's ability to fight near bush, which is why fight kha in the jungle is such a stupid thing to do. The slow from his passive and duskblade slow is also what made players feel like they can never run away.
Jungler's passive tend to be underated, like syvanna's, kha's, and kayn's.
Read what you wrote and then realize you butchered your own argument:
BUSHES = 90% of Kha's actual Unseen Threat Utility.
His R Invisibility is not why he is 50%+ His R Invisibility only gives him a marginal increase in utility. Most of what decides whether Kha will be successful or not..... is BUSH fights from pre level 6.
Gilgayu1 votesRead what you wrote and then realize you butchered your own argument:
BUSHES = 90% of Kha's actual Unseen Threat Utility.
His R Invisibility is not why he is 50%+ His R Invisibility only gives him a marginal increase in utility. Most of what decides whether Kha will be successful or not..... is BUSH fights from pre level 6.
My point was that Kha' doesn't need a bush to be strong, but he is extremly strong when there is a bush. When you are ganking do you see bushes in the middle of the lane? It's not like you get an ivern mid-lane every game. Kha's invisibility allows him to gank easier, just like wukong's invisibility. You don't need to waste your e to initiate.
Kha's r also allows great flanks during late game fights.
"Most of what decides whether Kha will be successful or not..... is BUSH fights from pre level 6." I disagree, Kha is a strong ganker, and he can camp mid lane and top lane really easily. He can snag a red buff in less than 15 seconds after he involved his q. His solo-drake potential also makes him a great jungler.
Illabethe1 votesMy point was that Kha' doesn't need a bush to be strong, but he is extremly strong when there is a bush. When you are ganking do you see bushes in the middle of the lane? It's not like you get an ivern mid-lane every game. Kha's invisibility allows him to gank easier, just like wukong's invisibility. You don't need to waste your e to initiate.
Kha's r also allows great flanks during late game fights.
"Most of what decides whether Kha will be successful or not..... is BUSH fights from pre level 6." I disagree, Kha is a strong ganker, and he can camp mid lane and top lane really easily. He can snag a red buff in less than 15 seconds after he involved his q. His solo-drake potential also makes him a great jungler.
But again..... his ganks are garbage if he didn't get fed pre 6.
Kha in a nutshell:
-Invade other jungler's second buff camp level 2. Kill them the while they are tanking the creep. Steal creep.
-Reset for their third buff objective/next best XP camp. Kill them again.
If Kha hasn't done the above, his lane ganks/rest of game doesn't matter. It's that massive anti jungling lead which makes his Unseen/Isolation relevant.
At that point in the game, at least offensively, Kha's Invisibility in a lane gank doesn't really matter that much, because instead.... he has evolved Q and W. He can kill without it. If anything, his R is an escape tool, and not always a reliable one.
Summonah123691 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-21T21:00:52.179+0000)
Yea but fairly squishy but yea I get your point. Stealth overall is lame and Kha'Zhix is no exception.
Are you kidding me? Very few champions have stealth, and it can be hard to counter since if you're uisng a point and click ability, you have to be in their stealth range and hope for them to not get out. With skillshots you just guess where they are.
Mc Raton2 votesAre you kidding me? Very few champions have stealth, and it can be hard to counter since if you're uisng a point and click ability, you have to be in their stealth range and hope for them to not get out. With skillshots you just guess where they are.
It's hard to counter stealth like Kha'Zhix, Shaco , Wukong etc, because there is nothing to actually reveal them. Red oracle give a approximative place they are but if you don't have it , you are basically screwed.
Daddy Ants7 votesI'm sick of seeing the same champions bot lane.
are the ADC's I see the majority of the time.
Supports it's
Mc Raton1 votesI'm sick of seeing the same champions bot lane.
Same here, people seems to only play the same champion roster.
Soul Dealer6 votesI don’t see 70% of those champs lol. I see Jax because I play him and zed Lucian and graves and that’s it lol
Mc Raton9 votesI don’t see 70% of those champs lol. I see Jax because I play him and zed Lucian and graves and that’s it lol
Pretty sure you see all of them you just don't want to admit it.
Soul Dealer5 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-21T21:39:51.486+0000)
Pretty sure you see all of them you just don't want to admit it.
I really don’t. I haven’t see Yasuo or Akali for 2 months lol
ZeroAgainst26 votesI really don’t. I haven’t see Yasuo or Akali for 2 months lol
gimme some of that weed rn
saltran2 votesHe's right tho, it's just that Akali and Yasuo are banned
Nicolasbo1433 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-21T21:39:51.486+0000)
Pretty sure you see all of them you just don't want to admit it.
Yea I dont see those champs often. And I'm a silver player (the majority of the playerbase).
Somebody Love Me3 votes
Gabresol3 votesI do rarely see Aatrox and Akali and when I see Akali she is useless, but the rest of these champs I can kinda agree on
AggressiveWolf3 votesSome of these arent really op but yeah I see these everygame
DeracadaVenom2 votesI still stubbornly play Sejauni even though i never win [sg-miss-fortune] I play Thresh, but that's the only one on that list that I main. Im typically playing Anivia, Zoe, Neeko mid and Braum, Thresh, and Nami support these days. I stopped playing Irelia and Camille a long time ago since i dont go top anymore
Brown Man Darius2 votes[cass-cry]
Deneviel1 voteswell you forgot
you know the guy who just sit in lane for 20 min and ace a whole team endgame ( 25min? ) pressing R
Mc Raton3 voteswell you forgot
you know the guy who just sit in lane for 20 min and ace a whole team endgame ( 25min? ) pressing R
Karthus saw a increase in playrate only because of Dark Harvest. But honestly he is still useless if he doesn't play properly and is manageable with team sync.
SUPERSATANA1 votesYeah, Lee Sin so broken right now! Zed too! Wait...what?
Malix Farwin1 votesYeah, Lee Sin so broken right now! Zed too! Wait...what?
Well a lot of the champions on that list are not necessarily broken but can rather survive in this meta because of the broken ones on that list.
Thats basically how the Meta works, you have broken champions and the counters/champs that can deal with them become meta.
SUPERSATANA2 votes[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2018-12-22T10:19:27.986+0000)
Well a lot of the champions on that list are not necessarily broken but can rather survive in this meta because of the broken ones on that list.
Naaa, that's just plain false. Zed and Lee are played cause...players like them a lot, period. And the same goes for other champs in that list. This is coming from a Lee Sin hater btw.
Mc Raton1 votesNaaa, that's just plain false. Zed and Lee are played cause...players like them a lot, period. And the same goes for other champs in that list. This is coming from a Lee Sin hater btw.
Lee Sin and Zed perform better in early game meta wich we have now. They are maybe not considered OP but are still seeing play more than a good chunk of champion roster. It show either a biased community or that something is better on said champion than other.
SUPERSATANA1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGVyonqq,comment-id=000b000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T16:12:37.114+0000)
They are maybe not considered OP
Sigh. They are not, period. They are picked cause they are LIKED.
but if you're not playing
