Every Hook champion are meta warping this game on bot lane It's frustrating

Mc Raton·Dec 17, 2018·21 votes·10,242 views

Here we have at a 29.20% pick rate in platinum and higher ... so imagine every elo.. Second we have who have a 16% pick rate in Plat and higher, Third we have with a 10.62% pick rate , And Lastly we have with a 5.40% pick rate...

Everytime those Hooks champion are strong, they meta warp the bottom lane champion roster and are sincerely annoying to play against.. Think Thresh Death Sentence spam since he get a fairly low cooldown late game ,or Blitzcrank rocket grab invade at level 1... or the game changing hook of any of them to win the game even if they missed every single of them during the early/mid game.. This kind of champion is toxic for the game balance as they are win or lose design. If you never hit a hook you lose, if you hit 1 lucky hooks late game it change the fight... It's sincerely aggravating.

Edit: Naut less than the other 3 since not a lot of player play Naut but you can still get picked and it's lame.

68 Comments

Zone of EndlessDec 18, 201824 votes

The main problem I have with hook champ is their hitbox is bigger at the end because reasons.

Mc RatonDec 18, 20182 votes

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The main problem I have with hook champ is their hitbox is bigger at the end because reasons.

Sad but true.

PhantomSpirit101Dec 18, 20185 votes

"Because it is generally more satisfying to land a hook than missing one" said one rioter that I forgot the name of

HibekiDec 18, 20184 votes

Because the most powerful mechanic in the game needs a handicap

ankoanko19Dec 18, 201813 votes

At least the hook champs are somewhat interesting. They make playing support for the non support player usually more enjoyable. Blitzcrank really isn't a good pick, he is just so much fun to play that people deliberately pick him over someone stronger than him.

Pandemic PunchDec 18, 20182 votes

Blitzcrank is one of the top 4 picks right now in solo queue platinum+.

That said, I kinda know what you mean. He can make or break games depending on the skill of the player and if your team gets stomped, Blitzcrank lacks the tools to have any agency over salvaging it. He just runs around and no matter who he hooks, that enemy champ will 1v5 your team after being hooked because they are so far ahead :D

doiminat0r3600Dec 18, 20186 votes

Blitz is so much fun though.

Why pick someone that can do damage when you can have much more fun dragging enemies to their inevitable doom while watching them scream in terror.

ankoanko19Dec 18, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-18T00:41:08.719+0000)

Blitzcrank is one of the top 4 picks right now in solo queue platinum+.

That said, I kinda know what you mean. He can make or break games depending on the skill of the player and if your team gets stomped, Blitzcrank lacks the tools to have any agency over salvaging it. He just runs around and no matter who he hooks, that enemy champ will 1v5 your team after being hooked because they are so far ahead :D

Well not quite, he's the 11th most picked support ( https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/ ). He's just, like Sivir or old Irelia, he is never a bad pick but he is very rarely a meta pick aswell. He's my go to support because he's so easy but at the same time so much fun. I can play other braindead supports like Janna or Soraka but there is no real enjoyment as there is with Blitz. You're practically a REAL support carry with Blitz. Your skill is the most important in your team if you're playing Blitzcrank (or Bard) when you're playing support.

Pandemic PunchDec 18, 20181 votes

I didn't say he was the top 4 MOST picked. I said he was one of the top 4 picks. Meaning he is one of the top 4 BEST picks in regards to pick rate + play rate + collective opinion on tier list.

With all of these factors combined, he is one of the top 4. Here are the top 4...

Thresh Zyra Blitzcrank

https://u.gg/lol/tier-list/?role=support

I think Leona and Nami could be interchangeable with Blitzcrank since they all have about equal agency over the game at some point. Zyra could probably swap places with Thresh for the #2 spot since she has ALOT of agency during the laning phase. I can understand Thresh being #2 though because there is never a point in the game where he falls off. He could play out an entirety of a game without any items and still be a threat. Zyra still needs her items badly after the early levels.

Mc RatonDec 18, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-18T00:41:08.719+0000)

Blitzcrank is one of the top 4 picks right now in solo queue platinum+.

That said, I kinda know what you mean. He can make or break games depending on the skill of the player and if your team gets stomped, Blitzcrank lacks the tools to have any agency over salvaging it. He just runs around and no matter who he hooks, that enemy champ will 1v5 your team after being hooked because they are so far ahead :D

Make or break a game is no where a fun fact for either the users and the opponent.. Thresh and Blitz are basically the same way, hit a hook, win the fight, don't hit a hook get behind or lose the fight... but if they hit this lucky hook late in the game where death timer are high it's basically good game..You also can't counter Hook as they are considered a knock-back except Thresh wich you can QSS but since he hitted you, he got cooldown refresh so he will most likely hit it soon enought.

Mast3rShakeDec 18, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=000000000002,timestamp=2018-12-18T01:04:42.151+0000)

Make or break a game is no where a fun fact for either the users and the opponent.. Thresh and Blitz are basically the same way, hit a hook, win the fight, don't hit a hook get behind or lose the fight... but if they hit this lucky hook late in the game where death timer are high it's basically good game..You also can't counter Hook as they are considered a knock-back except Thresh wich you can QSS but since he hitted you, he got cooldown refresh so he will most likely hit it soon enought.

You can say the same thing with basically any type of stun or snare. Hit a Morg Q, a Lux q, a Zoe bubble, etc. Hook champs are fun to play and play against since they have an obvious mechanic to play around.

Mc RatonDec 18, 20181 votes

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At least the hook champs are somewhat interesting. They make playing support for the non support player usually more enjoyable. Blitzcrank really isn't a good pick, he is just so much fun to play that people deliberately pick him over someone stronger than him.

Hook champion are not fun, they are just less punishing to play and too good to not pick making other king of support garbage next to them.. that's meta warping.

ankoanko19Dec 18, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-12-18T01:01:42.916+0000)

Hook champion are not fun, they are just less punishing to play and too good to not pick making other king of support garbage next to them.. that's meta warping.

That's not true at all otherwise Blitzcrank wouldnt have such a high pickrate when he's not even that good. You might dislike hook champions but most people enjoy them. Blitzcrank and Bard are champions where it's all about your and the enemys skill. You gotta play mind games inorder to win, MOST people enjoy that. Thresh is also a hook champion but the only reason he has such a high pickrate is because he is one of the best supports right now. Otherwise Thresh also usually hovers around a 10+% pr even when he isn't meta because people enjoy playing him. That's why Thresh has been praised so much as the ''best created support'' ever since he came out.

Minimac2000Dec 18, 20186 votes

I mean hook champs aren't even strong rn, mage supports rule bot lane. It's just enchanters are pretty much free gold for everyone

Mc RatonDec 18, 20183 votes

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I mean hook champs aren't even strong rn, mage supports rule bot lane. It's just enchanters are pretty much free gold for everyone

Mage support ruling the bot lane ? Mage support are weak to said Hook champion. Pick Zyra/Velkoz/Brand into a Thresh/Pyke/Blitz, one hook and you are done. You can win the whole laning but during the late game, you get hooked once and your team is 4v5 because that's how hook champions are and it's lame.

MüffîñDec 18, 20183 votes

so basically mage supports get countered by hook champs. tbh as it should be. if a mage support isnt facing a hook champ, they can be scary if good.

Minimac2000Dec 19, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-12-18T01:10:52.677+0000)

Mage support ruling the bot lane ? Mage support are weak to said Hook champion. Pick Zyra/Velkoz/Brand into a Thresh/Pyke/Blitz, one hook and you are done. You can win the whole laning but during the late game, you get hooked once and your team is 4v5 because that's how hook champions are and it's lame.

I mean if you are a mage in range of a hook with no minions in the way, you screwed up already, especially late game. Most games are decided hard in laning phase tho, so imo it's worth the risk a lot of the time. If you're struggling, hook champs are countered by anything thay will kill their team if they hook it, aka darius, irelia, zed (sometimes), akali most of the time, even lissandra sometimes is risky. I used to be a blitz/thresh main I know

ŚhunpoDec 18, 20185 votes

yES mE suPrOt

Mc RatonDec 18, 20183 votes

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yES mE suPrOt

To be honest mage bot is dumb but Riot decided that it was okay.

ŚhunpoDec 18, 20181 votes

I mean hook supports are still really good....but mage supports are just frustrating and confusing, confusing because why are they being sent bot and not mid???

ErrastasDec 18, 20183 votes

Because death is the best CC

DarkTree1Dec 18, 20184 votes

insane high damage + one skillshot putting someone much closer to you, if not melee range + usually guaranteed followup cc abilities for prolonged suffering = hook supports being metawarp. gettin hooked outside of your turret range against players with brains usually means instadeath in an early focused meta, so yeah, they stronk. not to mention actual synergy with adcs or junglers, like jhin addin an extra 0.75-1.75 second duration to your not-gameplay from nebraska, or kai'sa being able to slide into your dms from the next dimension and give you the smackdown every time they land any cc, which makes their epic gamer power rise by unprecedented amounts

Daddy AntsDec 18, 20184 votes

Blitz isn't an issue.

I rarely see Nautilus.

I'm sick to death of seeing Thresh and Pyke most games though.

The Thresh or Pyke can be the shittiest players alive but you know, they landed a hook and are useful.

Free RollDec 18, 20183 votes

Strange my supports are universally lux/velkox/zyra oh and i get a support irelia last game. I get the opposite some asshat who cant actually lane so they pick support so they can stand behind the adc pew pew pew pretending they are playing the game and fulfilling the support role meanwhile i have the enemy thresh and ADc pounding me into the dirt for thinking i can walk up and last hit even 1 minion. They cant make a play, they can't protect the adc and they dont even attempt to ward because walking around solo means they die. So they just stand behind everyone lobbing spells half a map away pretending they are being a support.

at the end of the game lulz ADC did no damage! looks at score board Support didnt either even though they built all ap items and ended up with half the bot lane farm (they love when adc dies because HEY THEY GET TO FARM BRO!

Fun game. No wonder its dying.

Malix FarwinDec 18, 20183 votes

Thresh has been meta since his existence lol.

saltranDec 18, 20182 votes

Laughs in Sivir

Mc RatonDec 18, 20182 votes

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Laughs in

I know Sivir is nice to counter them but If your ADC is not playing Sivir or know how to dash out of the hook? What do you do? I love to Play Leona/Soraka, but I get myself the struggle of having an ADC that get hooked in wrong timing so the time I react it's either too late or summoner got wasted and we are set behind in lane. No other champion have the zone potential as Hook champion have. You misposition and they basically have the free way to make you suffer from it. Brand do damage but you don't get as punished for mispositioning to farm/ wards until later in the game. So why those champions get a card free ?

Mast3rShakeDec 18, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-18T01:07:31.736+0000)

I know Sivir is nice to counter them but If your ADC is not playing Sivir or know how to dash out of the hook? What do you do? I love to Play Leona/Soraka, but I get myself the struggle of having an ADC that get hooked in wrong timing so the time I react it's either too late or summoner got wasted and we are set behind in lane. No other champion have the zone potential as Hook champion have. You misposition and they basically have the free way to make you suffer from it. Brand do damage but you don't get as punished for mispositioning to farm/ wards until later in the game. So why those champions get a card free ?

You should suffer from mispositioning, that is the point of the game. And you play soraka...talk about an unfun champ to play against. She just sits back and heals her adc back up. Thrilling lane...

hoganftwDec 18, 20182 votes

Thresh has never been a bad pick due to his utility. Blitz is only strong if he lands hooks. Pyke needs a nerf. Nautilus feels just about right.

Metal JannaDec 18, 20182 votes

Hiding behind minions is not legit counterplay. He'll just walk up on you and catch you that way. And if you try to back out when you see him walking up then you eat the hook. So basically you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. And then there's the lanes where you face a hook support AND a MissFortune , Twitch , KogMaw , Lucian , Tristana , Xayah , Varus , Jhin , Caitlyn , Kaisa , Draven or Heimerdinger , all of whom have at least one ability for punishing enemies who stand behind minions. Oh but at least Ezreal , Ashe , and Kalista don't! 3/14's not bad! /s

AyzevDec 18, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-17T23:17:15.854+0000)

And Lastly we have with a 5.40% pick rate...

With 10 different picks per match and 142 champions to choose from, something like 7.04% is the average. So Nautilus is below average in that regard, and he's also below average in win rate.

Naut less than the other 3 but you can still get picked and it's lame.

It's also lame is to complain about a champion that's merely viable at best.

BlåbæretDec 18, 20182 votes

I've said a billion times that hook champions don't pay enough for the utility of their hooks. Hooks are incredibly overpowered abilites by themselves and make these champions usefull even if they go 0/20. All hook champs need to be nerfed.

Hawthorn TreeDec 19, 20182 votes

Hooks wouldn't be a problem if hitboxes matched animations. Synapse has footage of bullshit %%%%%%ed hooks every other day for the past like three years, and Riot is just not doing anything about it.

Daddy AntsDec 19, 20181 votes

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Hooks wouldn't be a problem if hitboxes matched animations. Synapse has footage of bullshit %%%%%%ed hooks every other day for the past like three years, and Riot is just not doing anything about it.

Look how long it took them to correct the Hitbox on Gragas E.

It Hertz When IPDec 18, 20181 votes

I'm surprised Morgana's pick rate isn't higher, since her shield's a giant middle finger to hook champs.

MüffîñDec 18, 20182 votes

i think the reason is because mana cost, mana pool, and the cd for it.

Daddy AntsDec 18, 20182 votes

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I'm surprised Morgana's pick rate isn't higher, since her shield's a giant middle finger to hook champs.

90% of the time she gets banned if the enemy wants these kind of champs.

Mc RatonDec 18, 20181 votes

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90% of the time she gets banned if the enemy wants these kind of champs.

She get banned often yes and Morg shield can be baited and outplayed. She shield herself ? Hook her adc and vice versa.

NevrankroatonDec 18, 20181 votes

It is kinda funny you say that because technically Thresh had to get a big buff on his CD to be able to compete with the top tiers support that was Alistar & Braum, I honestly think that hook champions are not as big as people say. It is just that they punish you hard for mistakes and we both know that we are at a level where we make too many of them.

Pyke isn't an other story because obviously it isn't his hook that make him that particular and strong (but it add to its strength ofc).

SillaeDec 19, 20181 votes

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It is kinda funny you say that because technically Thresh had to get a big buff on his CD to be able to compete with the top tiers support that was Alistar & Braum, I honestly think that hook champions are not as big as people say. It is just that they punish you hard for mistakes and we both know that we are at a level where we make too many of them.

Pyke isn't an other story because obviously it isn't his hook that make him that particular and strong (but it add to its strength ofc).

The mistake of being on the opposite team of a hook champ. They can literally just walk to the side of you and hook you with virtually no repercussions because of all the CC in each hook champ's kit (and the fact that thresh can bring his ally with him instantly if he hooks it).

The TrentDec 18, 20181 votes

Just saying but neeko support counters hook champs extremely hard if you really hate em that bad.

Mc RatonDec 18, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Trent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-12-18T08:47:44.014+0000)

Just saying but neeko support counters hook champs extremely hard if you really hate em that bad.

How ? She is squishy and skillshot reliant ?

My Waifu VanillaDec 18, 20181 votes

You can literally hit W any time they try to hook you similar to Shaco Boxes or Wukong Decoy and then re-engage since Blitz with no Q is actually more useless than a caster minion.

The TrentDec 19, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2018-12-18T17:08:36.577+0000)

How ? She is squishy and skillshot reliant ?

bruv... throw out your clone... then they can never hook you. Not to mention Neeko's base stats are so high rn that she can be played just about anywhere except high elo jungle maybe. You see her in every game she's not banned and she's super easy to pick up and do well with. I've seen so many Neeko supports recently and they do pretty well. Everytime someone attempts to hook you or your adc you can just w, and your next w will be up for the next hook. Idk how u missed this.

Jerry SeinfeIdDec 18, 20181 votes

1 it's called having pick potential, it makes you a soloqueue god almost be default. Especially in a meta as explosive as this one.

2 "Missing every skillshot makes you lose, hitting one lucky one can win you the game late" welcome to league of legends.

now you brought up their pickrates and i'll admit thresh's is really high, but if i'm not mistaken he's in a decent spot rn and usually has a higher pickrate than the average support (the ezreal/leesin of supports so to say). Pyke is meta rn. Blitz is a for fun champ, he's always gonna be popular. naut i actually have a hard time believing that pickrate in just the support role. He's not that great right now, his early is still a threat and he has the easiest hook to land.

And as i suspected some of these numbers seem off, as you gave no src i'll be using lolalytics which seems to be the most trusted site. .........TOTAL.........SUPPORT Nautilus 3.62% ......2.96% Blitzcrank 7.57%........7.42%

the others seem correct, 3% isn't a bad pickrate at all tbh, 7.5 for a champ like blitz seems fairly normal as he (and thresh) is often one of the default support picks for filled players aside from being a popular champ in general.

you seem to main leona, or atleast play her a bunch. So i really don't see why you're struggling with these picks. Leo shits on Pyke, can outplay thresh, getting pulled by blitz as leo is bad for blitz, naut isn't even good rn.

Mc RatonDec 18, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AwYJjr26,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2018-12-18T14:06:35.242+0000)

1 it's called having pick potential, it makes you a soloqueue god almost be default. Especially in a meta as explosive as this one.

2 "Missing every skillshot makes you lose, hitting one lucky one can win you the game late" welcome to league of legends.

now you brought up their pickrates and i'll admit thresh's is really high, but if i'm not mistaken he's in a decent spot rn and usually has a higher pickrate than the average support (the ezreal/leesin of supports so to say). Pyke is meta rn. Blitz is a for fun champ, he's always gonna be popular. naut i actually have a hard time believing that pickrate in just the support role. He's not that great right now, his early is still a threat and he has the easiest hook to land.

And as i suspected some of these numbers seem off, as you gave no src i'll be using lolalytics which seems to be the most trusted site. .........TOTAL.........SUPPORT 3.62% ......2.96% 7.57%........7.42%

the others seem correct, 3% isn't a bad pickrate at all tbh, 7.5 for a champ like blitz seems fairly normal as he (and thresh) is often one of the default support picks for filled players aside from being a popular champ in general.

you seem to main leona, or atleast play her a bunch. So i really don't see why you're struggling with these picks. Leo shits on Pyke, can outplay thresh, getting pulled by blitz as leo is bad for blitz, naut isn't even good rn.

She can but if you Adc is mentally slow , you end 1v2 most the game. People follow hook champion engage but other champion they never do. This happen to me with leona more often than not.

THE RlVER KlNGDec 18, 20181 votes

blitzcrank has legit been in the top 3 supports in high elo for like 2 years now but the moment you actually try and complain about how busted his kit is you get lambasted by people who say he's only good in low elo

koshkyraDec 19, 20181 votes

The problem isnt the champion, its the fucking damage meta that enables them to get a kill off of landing one ability. If damage wasnt so batshit high, you would actually be able to survive after getting hooked one time.

Linna ExcelDec 19, 20181 votes

This has less to do with meta (though more damage encourages it) and more to do with the fact that not a lot of champs can survive long if getting focused by the enemy team.

Linna ExcelDec 19, 20181 votes

For riot's next champ they are releasing someone who can cast his hook twice before it goes on cooldown. I mean the image did show a champ with 2 chains on it.