When are we going to nerf Lucian?

Mc Raton··38 votes·12,656 views

He is broken for a while and yet still leave untouched. I'm bored to see Lucian every game.

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Daddy Ants23 votes

I haven't seen Lucian in like 15 games.

I've personally banned him... every single game.

Mc Raton4 votes

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I haven't seen Lucian in like 15 games.

I've personally banned him... every single game.

Lmfao [sg-miss-fortune]

Saevum13 votes

Banning him is the only so-lucian.

kill me.

Lhuhz2 votes

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Daddy Ants2 votes

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...

[slayer-jinx-wink]

SaltyCauseBad3 votes

LOL GET READY TO START BANNING VAYNE AFTER THE NEXT.

Cant wait for perma invis enemy adc

Lhuhz1 votes

I rather face Lucian than Draven if I'm about to ban an adc, which I dont usually do.

D357R0Y3R14 votes

crit buff will be his nerf

Mc Raton8 votes

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crit buff will be his nerf

Not really. He still build blade of ruined king and blacker and outdamage everyone because hey, he melt squishy and tank.

D357R0Y3R6 votes

outdamage

let me guess, because crit sucks and crit adc suck?

yep

Mc Raton6 votes

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let me guess, because crit sucks and crit adc suck?

yep

Crit need change yes but crit item getting changed doesn't stop Lucian to get nerfed. He is legit toxic to face.

Daddy Ants2 votes

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crit buff will be his nerf

Not really...

He can use crit as well.

"The second shot applies on-hit effects and can critically strike for 75% bonus damage, increased to 100% bonus damage against minions."

D357R0Y3R4 votes

oh yea babe, that IE rush on lucian will be insane

Ragnaveil4 votes

Which requires him to dump away his BC BotRK build.

Karfuss8 votes

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crit buff will be his nerf

This. Lucian shines because he is one of the rare few ADC that isn't totally reliant on good ol' crit/attack speed, and he doesn't get bursted out of lane by most ADCs (well pretty much every single one except Draven, Kog'maw, Jhin and Ezreal) because crit/attack speed ADCs suck.

Once those ADCs are in a good spot, Lucian will go back to being one of those pocket mid laners you see once every blue moon. Until then, he benefits hard from the ADC meta. You see Lucian rearing his ugly head for the same reason you see Brand/Zyra/Mordekaiser/Heimerdinger/Xerath bullies back on bot lane. The last time the bot lane meta saw mages and juggernauts, it was the worst meta I ever remember.

Malix Farwin3 votes

I think they are trying to buff every other adc to match him actually.

Lil Homie busta3 votes

The same day they overhaul damage and defense, which means never.

Lucian could be 1v5'ing every match and Riot would still doubt his power. It's a classic.

RlTO lS TOXIC3 votes

I think u should focus on ur gameplay first before asking for Nerf. HAHAHaaaa

Naalith2 votes

When are WE going to do it? Never.

The true question you should be asking is when is RIOT going to balance the game. The answer is also never.

Nevrankroaton2 votes

I can't wait until the board get to whine about the new Ezreal stuff, we are going to have fun.

Warlord Rhinark2 votes
  1. Reduce the damage of the passive second auto attack to 50% damage at all levels instead of scaling to 60%, and make it only crit for 50% bonus damage instead of 75%.

  2. Increase the delay on his Q to 0.5 - 0.25 seconds (based on level) from 0.4 - 0.25 seconds (based on level), and reduce the bonus AD scaling on it to 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 / 100% from 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120%.

  3. Increase the mana cost on his E to 50 / 40 / 30 / 20 / 10 from 40 / 30 / 20 / 10 / 0.

These are the main problems with him I could think of.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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  1. Reduce the damage of the passive second auto attack to 50% damage at all levels instead of scaling to 60%, and make it only crit for 50% bonus damage instead of 75%.

  2. Increase the delay on his Q to 0.5 - 0.25 seconds (based on level) from 0.4 - 0.25 seconds (based on level), and reduce the bonus AD scaling on it to 60 / 70 / 80 / 90 / 100% from 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120%.

  3. Increase the mana cost on his E to 50 / 40 / 30 / 20 / 10 from 40 / 30 / 20 / 10 / 0.

These are the main problems with him I could think of.

All they have to do is revert the insane and unnecessary buff they gave him in the worlds patch.

What you're suggesting isn't a nerf... It's a gutting.

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Thefrostyviking2 votes

How is Lucian broken?

This meta is basically made for him, all his items are good or great, all his counters are dead, lategame is rare and focus lies on early/midgame where he excels greatly and to top things off he is one of the only good marksmen in a time where frontlines and heal/shield supports are largely absent while assassins, burst and dive champs are abundant.

All which he is good at dealing with because he is a early game specialist with self peel.

If this is justification for nerfing champs then a ton of champs from every lane, although only a few other marksmen, has to go as well.

Biggest reason Lucian dominates in pickrate is just because he is the best out of like....3-5 marksmen and he beats the other good ones because the only other contenders for early game dominance are cait and Draven who have dropped out.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Or...hear me out, nerf the proc damage of PTA, or make it so after getting all 3 stacks, you have to auto to gain the effects and gain the proc damage

JeaneGreene8 votes

remove the proc damage and increase the vulnerable. It is clearly designed for adc and support all ins, so why not remove the burst and strengthen the sustained damage?

Ragnaveil1 votes

That could work. I was just throwing something out there in hopes of someone with a better idea would say something.

Gilgayu1 votes

I believe the main reasons they are not nerfing lucian are:

  1. he is able to succeed right now only because tanks are trash, and his core item, black cleaver, is an anti-armor item.
  2. he has a decent late game no matter what due to his insane mobility, but according to Riot logic(I agree to some degree), it is okay because he doesn't have cc of any kind (BoRK doesn't count)
  3. His early game is somewhat punishable compared to draven or even mf back in the old DH meta, his level 6 power spike, however, isn't fit for an adc, but rather mid-laner (it is obvious that mid-laners have insane ultimates, but adc's ults are more like... meh... until late game)
  4. He doesn't have any real, ideal support. Sure, he synasize well with braum, and the cc alister provides is also really good, but ultimately, he isn't like many other adcs that want some specific thing from their supp. For example, kalista is good with alister because she wants someone who can dive in with her ultimate and apply a ton of cc. Braum is good with ez because he provides a good tool for ez to land his r, and his passive also works with ez's q.

Tbh, I think the best way to nerf lucian is to increase his e cd late game by at least 1.5 seconds, right now it has practically no cd if you bought essense reaver, or always like 1 second cd if you have max cdr... Adcs aren't suppose to be self-reliant (kalista is a different story, her auto actually only do a portion of her ad if her oathsworn isn't near), and the kind of dash lucian has is for duelists (fiora, jax, or even master yi in some sense).

FéliXXX1 votes

if they bring back the old BC making it melee only it would be nice

WashyMoney1 votes

Buffs to tankiness will be the best nerf for him. Right now he benefits too much from being able to kill you in one burst trade, while Lucian sucks at extended trades.

WashyMoney2 votes

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Buffs to tankiness will be the best nerf for him. Right now he benefits too much from being able to kill you in one burst trade, while Lucian sucks at extended trades.

He also builds black Cleaver which helps him survive assassins. Other ADCs being able to survive assassins is also vital.

WatchYourHeadM81 votes

Go jhin fleet and don’t int

Free win

Marian Cross1 votes

I'm at the point where I dont think they will. If they do it will be when pro play comes around again. riot just doesn't really care to do much with the game unless it involves pro play.

the shy top1 votes

NEVER

DragonShea1 votes

You can't in this day and age without being called a racist.

Ok jokes aside. He needs a nerf to his Base HP. Don't mind him have damage and mobility but I do feel that he might be a bit safe, but then again, I am not an ADC main.

Gcoc1 votes

[zombie-brand-clap]

Enacero1 votes

Presumably they're going to wait until they've made the other 90% of marksmen become not laughing stocks before they consider nerfing the only relevant ones.

Shen MD1 votes

That's one of the things I love from being in low elo. I laugh at the ticklish auto attacks from lucian from mid to late game, for me he's never been an issue even when super overpowered. They never manage to close the game fast enough to win before his auto attacks start being laughable.

I get in higher elos he's a nightmare, I instead laugh at Lucian, Ashe, Sivir, Xayah, Corki and Ezreal attempts to win games. I feel like those champs are an instawin for the other team, unless there is any of those on both teams, so that's anyone's guess

I lit your baby1 votes

He's one of the weakest adc in game overall.

OneMustFall1 votes

Lucian doesn't need nerfs. He's not even the strongest ADC, it's just the FOTW Champ to complain about cause he's got a high pick rate. Until next patch when everyone is bitching about Vayne.

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